yeah and so that allows you to fakehammer any time you want
and you didnt even check back to say its a fake hammer
sorry dude not buying it
It might just be a bit silly to tell everybody "this is a fake, do not react to it in a scummy way". That's rather the purpose, isn't it? To get people worried a lynch actually happened and get reactions this way.
But somehow, you think an experienced player, 1: forgot where his vote was and 2: decided to hammer when someone had just killed the wagon. Even newbies don't do that.
I think this is the reaction SV could ever wish for. You are being an idiot, because it suits you to have a wagon on SV, regardless how townish his play is. Scum rarely fakehammer, it puts them in the center of attention. Town now and then do, they don't mind the attention to get scum to step out and do silly stuff.
You did silly stuff.
vote metal sonic
And PS: why the hell is anyone ever sorry if they are voting as town? Only scum are sorry for someone, if they know they are falsely accusing that person.
In post 1072, KX wrote:How do you get me as a lynch option, and why is Beast/NotSci not an option? And Vifam subbed out for Metal. Another question, how do you get Concombre as scum?
also, @NotSci, yeah, I think that's common knowledge at this point.
Because no one is going to follow a NotSci lynch atm. Gut on Concombre. Beast could use some rope, but honestly, he probably won't get it.
Hey sv how did the fake hammer help (what new scum reads has it given you)? I'd like sv to answer this one not anyone else.
@Abdel: Why don't you like to play games with metal sonic? Reasoning for vote please.
Holy fuck shattered, you've now made a total of three posts after your fakehammer doing nothing but stating the obvious to defend yourself. If you're so interested in getting information and being helpful that'd you risk yourself, why not be helpful now and
do something useful?
. If I hadn't already decided to vote you on theory before, I'd vote you again now for just being scummy.
And why is Metal the one with the most votes atm? Unlike in NotSci's case, while the trolling bugs me, I think MS reads town lean/null at least. Seems the main things he's done that are scummy/could be found scummy are the softclaim, trolling, and then this vote. The softclaim wasn't really a softclaim at all, and imo it seems like pressing something perceived as a softclaim would be the more harmful thing, the trolling was quite obviously trolling, and given the posts MS made after voting SV, it's clear he thought it was a failed hammer attempt. Meanwhile, for town, a lot of my personal read is meta, but at the least he seems to be trying to actively scumhunt. On that though Metal, some more relevant content would be nice.
Yeah KX is scum, his last few posts and attacks on SV have all been shit. He's also overexplaining himself in areas that I personally do as scum and have often seen scum doing- for example, before simply defending MS he takes the time to pretty much unnecessarily count out his own hypocrisy on notsci with pretty much "now before I go on let me say that while notsci is doing the same thing as this townread except being more helpful I think he's scum because gut" ...like. I really hate when people just go "because gut" (example: eddie) because it allows for scum to throw out town sounding reads without fully committing to any reasoning that takes genuine town motivation to write up and that could be read into later on.
I really think we have a newbie-centric, Day-1-lurking-scum game going on here. PV, HD, KX. I am set on HD and KX being very likely scum together with the nature of PV's flip giving a bit more insight to possible scum behaviors, and I will look at their interactions later on.
I was referring to scum finding it easy to lurk amongst scummy and certain unfocused newbies
Also that @ KX saying he'd make a case against notsci but then just deciding to explain it as a gut decision? kinda shows there wasn't any real reasoning in the first place except "oh notsci is an easy scumread nobody will find it suspicious if I say it"
Oh god there is so much wrong with your vote on me. If I'm getting this right, your reasons are: My attacks on SV are bad, I've over-explained myself, I had a gut read, and PV lurked D1 so you believe me and HD are scum as well.
Let's do this in order.
1. You have yet to say why my attack on SV is bad. I believe I already explained my reasoning in previous posts, if you're not able to understand it though, tell me and I'll restate it in a simpler fashion.
2. In the specific case you cited, when two people are trolling, and you state one is town, and one is scum, if that's it, there's something wrong with you. I'm not an idiot, and was able to see quite clearly how one might take that. I preemptively answered any questions related to it that may have been asked. More in the next answer, but I have history with Metal, and his trolling caused me to mess up big time once, so it's something I would think about when considering him. On top of all that, considering thinking your posts over isn't even inherently scummy, though I can see why you'd question it. Also, the whole point of posting something like that is to convince people, so tbh it's really dumb to not think about/care at all what people think.
3. I normally avoid gut reads for the reason you stated plus they're not that helpful in convincing other people, however, I've hydra'd with Metal, played in many games with him, hosted games he's been in, been in games he's hosted, and more outside of a mafia context, so yeah, I can't help it if I can get a gut read on him. Also, my read wasn't only due to gut, I made several solid opinions about what I think of actions people call him scum for, and gave one reason for why others might want to consider him town. Point being, I'm specifically trying to avoid just saying "because gut," since I know it's not helpful.
4. Just because one scum acts in a certain way doesn't mean all scum act in that way, in fact it's a logical fallacy, so your entire premise is, put simply, bs. However, on top of that, I believe I have a legit excuse for inactivity over that time period, and multiple outside sources can verify that I was inactive over that time period in all factions of the internet. Also, unlike PV, who (I believe) was active in other place on this site before death, or HD who's been generally inactive and remains inactive (hosting a game though), notice that now that my reason is gone I return to activity.
k, thanks, come back with a better case.
And tbh I agree with you on the HD thing, though there's not really much to go on atm, mainly inactivity/not living up to meta/a few bad posts.
@NotSci, fucking fine, I get it, you want the case. It'll be here soon. Also, fuck you, I'm not a newb ether.
PEDIT: hang on, new marquis post, will get to that in a hour or so, busy now.
@Marquis, NotSci isn't a scum read do to gut. NotSci is a scum read for reasons I'm listing next post. Metal is mainly a town read do to gut, but him and maybe HD are the only people I have gut on at all.
@NotSci, true, but you only objected to HD being called a newb.
