Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Kison]

Hmm, ok, after a long(and tedious) reread, it is hard for me to come to a definite conclusion. A HUGE chunk of this game so far has been useless, off-topic, and irrelevant. It seems most of the band-wagoning has been based on this off-topic "logic".

However, I do agree that Blago's actions are quite odd. I would not name his bandwagon scum, either. His voting trends and posts later in the game seemed to stand out for me.

MoS's random vote I believe wasn't the most expected, though I would not name it scum myself.

I disliked how Twito & IH named Zarvok's post 151 scummy, because I myself thought it was well thought out and his prior actions made sense to me. I can accept misjudgment, though I think this on top of IH's hostility only makes it look more suspicious. So I'll be keeping an eye out for more of that...

I'm going to leave my vote for now. How about some relevancy? It was painful reading through all of that nonsense.

[Twito]

How about some relevancy?

I agree. Claim.

[pevergreen]

who should claim?

[Mastermind of Sin]

It was a pretty dumb and pretty scummy play, and I feel I explained myself enough on it. Never voted you or pushed for your lynch, though.

I highly disagree that it was either dumb OR scummy, and attacking someone without actually voting is a perfect way for scum to build a wagon and seem blameless later on.

[scotmany12]

Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense. Even though I don't think he should have asked to be replaced, I understand why he wanted to be. I do not think that kison is scum. I do think blahgo is scum. Thats all I have to say.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I think RR and his attackers share the blaim for what has happened so far, culminating in someone withdrawing before night one. If this is the way a mafia game is played nowadays here, I'm starting to regret coming out of retirement. Between all the total rubbish posted so far I see nothing that makes me change my mind. Vote stays for now.

[Twito]

Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense.

What are those?

[Patrick]

Backup Mod Votecount

Mole (1) -- Cheesefan
Kison (7) -- Twito, pevergreen, Battle Mage, blahgo, Keys Myaths, IH, Mastermind of Sin
Twito (1) -- Dragon Phoenix
Rand Althor (2) -- Paper, Mole
blahgo (5) -- Kison, scotmany12, ac1983fan, wizardcat, Zarvok
wizardcat (1) -- TheJiveMachine

Not Voting: Spectrumvoid, Chibo, Fircoal, Rand Althor
21 alive, 11 to lynch.

[scotmany12]

Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense.

What are those?

Well you guys really had no case for voting for him, and he stated that plenty of times. I really rather not talk about this. Lets move on with the game.

[Twito]

Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense.

What are those?

Well you guys really had no case for voting for him, and he stated that plenty of times. I really rather not talk about this. Lets move on with the game.

So your reason for thinking RR is protown and the "pretty valid points in his defence" is him repeating over and over again that there is no case againts him?
And btw there actually was and is a case againts him. Him ignoring it and saying there wasn't doesn't make it truth.
The game is moving on into the direction of lynching Kison.

[Twito]

Did I forget to mention you as Kisons possible partner?

[scotmany12]

Fine, do whatever you want twito. I feel like you guys did not have a case on RR, and thats that. If you find that enough to put me into the "scum category, then by all means do so. You would, of course, be wrong though. Lets just please move on with the game.

[Zarvok]

Sorry I haven't been around or posting much - it's been a crazy week. After reading through the most recent few pages, I still can't figure out why people are jumping on RR (now kison). I'm a newbie here, so maybe I just don't understand how things are done at this site, but his posts seem flamboyant and comical, not particularly scummy. I'm going to stick with my Blahgo vote - his actions follow a scum pattern that I understand (outlined in post 149). RRs stuff could possibly a scumtell, but I don't see how we know it's not just his playstyle - blahgo seems much more obviously fishy to me.

[Paper]

unvote

I hadn't been paying much attention to the vote counts and just realized I was still voting Rand from the early random voting stages.

Going back to re-read. There's so much silliness in this game I'm having a hard time truly thinking straight about any of the players, but I will try to post something substantial and be more active in this game.

[spectrumvoid]

I went back to reread RR's posts. While I still stand by what I said earlier about possible scum-tells that RR made, I've decided to put RR under the category of 'frustrated pro-town.' I read his posts in isolation, and the tone of frustration really came through. It's also a little based on gut. To clarify, I think RR made the scumtells I mentioned earlier not because he's scum, but because he was frustrated.

unvote

[Twito]

I think RR made the scumtells first cuz he is scum then got frustrated for being caught for behavior he didn't think is scummy and then asked to be replaced cuz he didn't wanna get lynched as scum.

[spectrumvoid]

It's mainly the repetition that made me decide RR's a frustrated townie. Call it wifomish, but wouldn't scum think of something less obvious as an attack?

[Battle Mage]

lol RR moaning about being flamed? how utterly ironic.

[ac1983fan]

unvote

we aren't going to get anywhere today... At least 60% of the discussion so far has been "LYNCH IH" or repeated RR stuff.

[Zarvok]

unvote

we aren't going to get anywhere today... At least 60% of the discussion so far has been "LYNCH IH" or repeated RR stuff.

True, but why is this a reason to unvote blahgo? He still hasn't explained his jumping around, except to chime in with some incomprehensible comments about being scum in real life or having a scum like play style. He also hasn't posted again since then, looks like he's lurking again. He seems to me to be our best candidate, so perhaps we should put some pressure on him in hopes of getting him to talk more than he has?

[TheJiveMachine]

unvote

we aren't going to get anywhere today... At least 60% of the discussion so far has been "LYNCH IH" or repeated RR stuff.

True, but why is this a reason to unvote blahgo? He still hasn't explained his jumping around, except to chime in with some incomprehensible comments about being scum in real life or having a scum like play style. He also hasn't posted again since then, looks like he's lurking again. He seems to me to be our best candidate, so perhaps we should put some pressure on him in hopes of getting him to talk more than he has?

QFT

[ac1983fan]

wait, i was voting blahgo? i forgot that i changed it...

vote:blahgo

[Fircoal]

wait, i was voting blahgo? i forgot that i changed it...

vote:blahgo

Fos: Ac1983fan

Not knowing where your vote is scummy. It shows that you don't care where your vote is.

[Rand Althor]

Kison please claim.

[spectrumvoid]

Considering Kison is only at 7 at the moment, why the request for a claim at this point in time?

I'll go look at blahgo, I forgot about him.