Mini 383 - Ben & Jerry's Mafia - OVER!

[VitaminR]

I don't know what Patrick's scum tells are.

I am starting to realise that bertrand's claim is a bit problematic, though. It is difficult to prove without taking a big risk and would have been unlikely to be counterclaimed (though that was fairly obvious anyway, he was the last person claiming).

[spectrumvoid]

Putting a summary here so I don't have to keep going back):
We have 5 people alive. (SV, betrand, TEOM, Patrick, VR.)

We've lost:
Y: traitor
Mr Stoofer: mafia RB

PWS: Cop
MeMe: Flavour finder.
chamber: vanilla
Mariyta: one-shot vig.

And mol: Karamel Sutra

Thinking back, I take back whatever I said about flavour being insignificant. I forgot we had Meme, a flavour finder. Doesn't that automatically mean flavours are important?

[VitaminR]

Yeah, but we have no real idea to what extent scum have been given safe claims. Stoofer had one, and a good one, but Y didn't.

I don't think it's a good idea to ignore them, but we can't really be sure going on flavour alone.

[bertrand]

Would you use it by posting 'second vote: XXX ' in the thread, or do you PM the mod and have it as like a mystery vote that can move around?

No, it works like this:

vote DrippingGoofball DrippingGoofball

unvote DrippingGoofball vote mith

unvote x2

vote mith MeMe

unvote MeMe

unvote mith

I was thinking bertrand was probably scum but if he is telling the truth about being a double voter then I doubt it. There will be a proper test of him if I can figure out if VitaminR can selfprotect.
If he can then my plan from earlier works as long as VitaminR can selfprotect and is Town. If VitaminR and Patrick are both scum then I think we have lost.
Basicly the plan works like this. Somebody votes me. bertrand doublehammers me. This must be done at lynch-2 which I believe to be after 1 vote. That is the best way of proving bertrands towniness. Then we go to Night, with 2 Town and probably 2 scum. If VitaminR can outWifom the Mafia during the Night then nobody will have died(Ofcourse if VitaminR is Mafia then we lose). The Patrick is lynched, and VitaminR protects bertrand during the night. If the mob is still alive then, lynch spectrumvoid.

I don't trust people who ask to be lynched. In fact, I am fairly certain you are doing something that we don't necessarily want to do.

Betrand: please point out where you hinted at it.

I agree that TEOM's recent posts have been all over the place.

I can go fish out the post if you want, but there was a point where someone was at L-2 and I said I was tempted to hammer.

@VitaminR: The scum have LOADS of same claims. I know there are lists available online. There are TONS. There's always the small chance of counterclaim though.

[Patrick]

Ah. This could be a little tricky. Offhand I can't think of a safe way to test that ability.

[spectrumvoid]

VOTECOUNT of -20C

MoL (2) : Mariyta, spectrumvoid
DrippingGoofball (2) : Patrick, MoL - yeah, right.

not voting (5): (Patrick, MoL, WldHrt, bertrand, VitaminR)

*is tempted to hammer mol42*

Nah. :p

[spectrumvoid]

We generally have 3 scum in a 12 player, yes?

We've lost Stoofer (RB), and a traitor. I don't think a traitor is part of the 3 scum, which means we still have 2 more to go. Shall we put teom at -2 and let betrand do the honours?

[Patrick]

Eh... maybe. Not sure about the traitor, because we don't know how the role works. We don't know whether he was mafia aligned when he died, or whether he was town (which is actually more of a mafia sympathiser role which actually switches alignments). I agree it's more likely we have 2 left, though not complaining if it's only 1.

[VitaminR]

We generally have 3 scum in a 12 player, yes?

We've lost Stoofer (RB), and a traitor. I don't think a traitor is part of the 3 scum, which means we still have 2 more to go. Shall we put teom at -2 and let betrand do the honours?

I agree with this. Can we have Patrick put him at -2, though?

If bertrand and he are scum together, he could finish off TEOM without us being able to test bertrand.

I don't think that's likely, but it'd be a prudent thing to do.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

If Patrick is Town, so is VitaminR. If bertrand is also Town then I am scum, and so is spectrumvoid. Which I consider a highly unlikely scumpair.
Therefore Patrick is scum. If people are thinking the Mafia will win in a 2 vs 2 then they shouldn't agree with my plan. Then the best way to go is to lynch Patrick. If there isn't a kill lynch me. If there is, then I will probably believe VitaminR scum.
As for me I would never consider a 2 vs 2 a win for the Mafia unless there is no play left.

[spectrumvoid]

I think Patrick is town. I think VitaminR could be town. I think betrand and TEOM are scummiest.

Has there been any votes so far? I can't find a vote count.

[VitaminR]

There haven't been any votes.

If Patrick is Town, so is VitaminR. If bertrand is also Town then I am scum, and so is spectrumvoid. Which I consider a highly unlikely scumpair.
Therefore Patrick is scum.

I don't follow this logic at all.

The way I see is that if bertrand is a double voter, he's pro-town (otherwise the game would be over now). I think spectrumvoid is town. That means we're sure to nail scum if Patrick votes TEOM and bertrand then hammers him.

[Patrick]

The plan seems sound. The only way me voting TEOM can lose the game is if there exists one of these three:

SV/Vitamin
SV/bertrand
Vitamin/bertrand


In which case TEOM would be quicklynched.
None of these are impossible, but they seem much less likely than TEOM being scum. One additional bonus is that if TEOM and bertrand are scum together, bertrand will be busted as well, because he won't be able to hammer TEOM from -2 and we'll know he's lying.

I'll read over the thread one last time, as I usually do before placing a vote in probable lylo. I can't see myself changing my mind, but we'll see.

[Patrick]

Vote: TheEyeOfMordor.

I just trust my instincts here. If one of the above 3 scumgroups exists then well done guys, you've completely played me on this occasion. I'll be quite active today, hopefully being able to track what happens here.

[spectrumvoid]

Ok, now TEOM's at -2. Go betrand.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Patrick says he is a backup Doc. If he is Town then there must be a Doc. Therefore VitaminR is telling the truth and is Town. It is pretty clear that bertrand can prove himself, and therefore spectrumvoid and me are scum. Or me and bertrand, if he is lying.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTECOUNT of Eye scream, I scream for eye's cream!

TEOM (1) : Patrick

On a lactose-free diet: spectrumvoid , bertrand ,TheEyeofMordor, VitaminR

5 alive, 3 to lynch.

[spectrumvoid]

Pretty sure betrand and TEOM are scum with betrand staying away from here.

[bertrand]

I'm not sure enough that TEOM is scum to vote him.

[spectrumvoid]

Wow. Great. The point is we want to test YOUR claim.

[VitaminR]

Bertrand, could you tell us why? Otherwise it just means we're stuck.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

bertrand, who do you think is the most scummy then?

[bertrand]

OK - I just figured out what's going on.

I don't think it's VitaminR and Patrick, and it's not me, so that leaves...

Vote TEOM TEOM

[Patrick]

What we need now is a quick vote count from DGB so we can see if that's 3 votes or not. If it is then you're confirmed. She's your mum right?

[VitaminR]

If that was a lynch and TEOM is scum as I think he is, I'm pretty sure we should go after Patrick tomorrow.