Klebian wrote:
Dahen, I thought his wording was fairly clear.
Well, he asked about my opinion in relation to statement regarding votes.
My answer was that I consider other alternatives, but that isn't really an opinion. My opinion on who is scum and not is still under reconstruction.
Klebian wrote:
I think the important thing here is that glork had many days and nights to think over this claim. What I can see happening is his scumgroup being stopped one night, and then masterchief dying the next day. After more days of no discussion of the no kill, glork finalized this claim, and now people are believing this and saying that there isn't really a viable alternative. I think that glork's claim, while seemingly good in terms of flavor (I'm pretty sure this is the consensus we've reached), is, as PJ says, very easy to have been faked.
Yes, I think Glork's claim is easy to fake. But that doesn't say much of the probability that it is fake.
PJ: I don't commit myself to posting at least every 24:th hour. I don't always have the time for that. It depends on the workload at work and at home, and I can't really tell ahead. Some days I only have time to read and do quick posts. Other days I have time to actually do some more complex thinking. And some days I don't have time to visit the site at all.
It would be a pity to be lynched because of this. Now I'm here though, and will try to check this frequently as we have a dead-line again.
You are right about putting pressure, though. And you are right that it we, the more or less unconfirmed should try to give you theories.
Let's go through this day again:
1. Glork claimed and voted Klebian
2. Fritzler followed and voted Klebian saying "we have time to come back and kill glork tomorrow"
3. Dahen FOSWITV Klebian, but wants Nightson to check in first.
4. VitaminR replaces nightson and reads up. No vote from Dahen waiting for result of read-up.
5. Fritzler unvotes Klebian saying "oops, I do think we're at lynch or lose". Was Fritzler distancing? Fritzler+Klebian possible as scum.
6. Glork unvotes to think the situation through. Now no-one is voting.
7. Dahen suggests Ensign is role-blocker.
8. VitR "I actually think Ensign fits roleblocker." VitR is thereby quite anti-Glork. I think he here tries to get a new wagon to start on Glork. This makes me think it's VitR+Klebian or Glork+Fritzler, although VitR+Fritzler also fits. Glork+VitR is possible, but unlikely.
9. PJ votes Glork.
10. VitR pushes Glork without voting. Could be distancing, but more likely wanting to create a wagon. Fits with a VitR+Klebian scum pairing. If Fritz or dahen would vote Glork now, VitR and Klebian could quicklynch and win, since there would be no RB alive. The same goes if we switch Klebian and Fritz.
11. Glork re-votes Klebian.
12. PJ unvotes Glork.
13. PJ votes VitR.
14. Glork suggest pairings as: Glork+VitR, Klebian+Fritz, Klebian+VitR, Anybody+Dahen. He doesn't mention Glork+Fritzler here.
15. PJ unvotes VitR and votes Glork.
16. Glork and PJ argues with lots of posts one day. No others involved.
17. Klebian's post #953 is weird. I don't know exactly if he is saying anything else that wanting dahen/Fritzler to talk. Why not dahen/Fritz/VitR, well, maybe because he want's a vote from dahen or Fritz in order to quick-lycnh.
18. Deadline 1 set.
19. Klebian votes Glork. Here we have two votes on Glork, making a quicklynch possible if VitR+Fritzler are scum. (feb 24, 1900 GMT+1)
20. PJ unvotes Glork and votes VitR. (It's the second time PJ changes Glork->VitR after Glork gets attention). Quicklynch with VitR+Fritzler no longer possible (feb 25, 22:26 GMT+1)
21. Klebian says "Glork, you do recall, that I haven't really trusted you since day 4?", but hasn't voted Glork until late in discussions.
22. Fritzler says he hates the game, but will probably end up voting Klebian. Interesting, since I see Fritz+Klebian as the only possible pair with Fritzler as scum.
23. Dahen gets back from vacation and starts his PM-theory.
24. VitR now votes Klebian! "I don't think I am going to end up voting anyone else." However, with the dead-line approaching, this could be a good strategy even as Klebian+VitR scum.
25. PJ switches back. Unvotes VitR, votes Glork. Quicklynch again possible if Frizler+VitR are scum. (feb 28 03:40 GMT+1)
26. dahen votes Klebian, thinking Fritzler+Klebian might be scum. Now quicklynching is possible even for Glork+Fritzler. (feb 28 15:05 GMT+1)
27. Fritzler asks Glork whom we would block if Klebian is scum, but doesn't vote. Speaks strongly against Glork+Fritzler as scum. They could have won here if they were scum.
29. PJ unvotes Glork
30. PJ says scum is Glork+VitR or Klebian+VitR. I agree, but think Klebian+Fritzler is more likely than Glork+VitR.
31. Glork unvotes. He thinks Kleb+Fritz is more likely than Kleb+VitR. If scum is Glork+VitR this is understandable.
32. PJ unvotes VitR
33. Deadline 2 set.
34. PJ states his 3 conditions and vote order: "Fritzler, VitR, Dahen, Glork, Klebian"
35. Fritzler votes VitR.
36. VitaminR confirms his vote on Klebian.
37. This post.
NOT scum:
Fritz+Glork
VitR+Fritz
Klebian+Glork
Possible scum:
VitR+Klebian,
Klebian+Fritzler
Unlikely, but possible:
Glork+VitR
Based on this Klebian looks as the vote.
However, taking into account the possibility that Glork might save us if we mislynch, I am open for a VitR lynch as well.
In that case, if we lynch VitR as town, then scum is Kleb+Fritz making it 50/50 for Glork. If we lynch VitR as scum, then he could still be scum with Klebian or Glork and we will have to guess right tomorrow.
Since I think Glork+VitR is less likely than 50% (see 8 above), I prefer a Klebian lynch, and thus
confirm vote: Klebian
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As I said before, this requires PJ to change his mind. If he refuses, I will change my vote to VitR and blame PJ if we lose.