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Post Post #2426 (isolation #200) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:42 pm

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In post 2424, RadiantCowbells wrote:Okay, fine.

COP HERE. I HAVE A GUILTY ON AFB.

WE ARE LYNCHING HIM NOW SINCE YOU MOTHER FUCKERS COULDN'T TAKE THE HINT.
Bullshit.

Would you like to tell me how a "cop guilty" made a protective action last night? You have until your next post to retract if you're faking shit before I vote you.
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Post Post #2428 (isolation #201) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:50 pm

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In post 2427, Guyett wrote:You should have another cop result RC. What is it?
Giving your result from a PM takes seconds. Generating a good fake result takes an eternity.
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #202) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:01 pm

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In post 2429, Guyett wrote:Also why the fuck would you out AFB as a protective PR there?
Because the resident idiot around here is claiming a guilty on them, and fuck if I'm letting that happen?
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Post Post #2431 (isolation #203) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:02 pm

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In post 2386, RadiantCowbells wrote: I'll die tonight then the AFB lynch never happens.
This isn't the kind of shit a cop with a guilty says.
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Post Post #2433 (isolation #204) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:07 pm

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In post 2432, Guyett wrote:
In post 2430, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 2429, Guyett wrote:Also why the fuck would you out AFB as a protective PR there?
Because the resident idiot around here is claiming a guilty on them, and fuck if I'm letting that happen?
would it have been better to see if he actually runs up to L-1 and claim the protective role. then you could back it up?
I have very bad experiences with fakeclaimed guilties; and especially in this game where derp votes are already a thing. Probably should have waited, but shit's real now.
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #205) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:14 pm

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In post 2434, Cephrir wrote:why the fuck do scum kill bauss if AFB isn't scum?
You kinda just answered your own question there.

I was thinking tippy was claiming investigative too fwiw.
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Post Post #2440 (isolation #206) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:18 pm

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I can talk about the game now. Chose to after he utterly trounced me in bork's mini theme; got super paranoid and wanted to shore up the read and dispel the paranoia. Go look it up if you'd like. It's in coney island.
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #207) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:19 pm

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In post 2438, Cephrir wrote:I'd be quite interested to hear who AFB protected last night, as that person theoretically should be "confirmed town".
How so?
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Post Post #2444 (isolation #208) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:23 pm

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In post 2443, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2427, Guyett wrote:You should have another cop result RC. What is it?
In post 2428, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 2427, Guyett wrote:You should have another cop result RC. What is it?
Giving your result from a PM takes seconds. Generating a good fake result takes an eternity.
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #209) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:27 pm

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In post 2445, Guyett wrote:
In post 2440, MC Maraca wrote:I can talk about the game now. Chose to after he utterly trounced me in bork's mini theme; got super paranoid and wanted to shore up the read and dispel the paranoia. Go look it up if you'd like. It's in coney island.
could you give me a brief explanation of what happened?
Ffery and I (as morph the cat) got utterly OWNED by the scumteam of nachomamm8-guyinfreezer hydra; broseidon, and zmuffinman; after townreading pretty much all three of them.
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #210) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:31 pm

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In post 2447, Guyett wrote:did you town read bro? from my brief flick through it looked like he was a universal null/scum read. then he fake claimed to get someone lynched D1 and got insta lynched D2. you died N2 right? You were out of the game pretty early and the play of nacho/gif and muffin should have no bearing on bro's play here
I did. A lot of stuff is in our hydra convos and not in the thread. And for obvious reasons those won't get posted.
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Post Post #2451 (isolation #211) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:45 pm

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There's more than that one game but I can't talk about it. Point stands, he's a protective role.
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Post Post #2454 (isolation #212) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:51 pm

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In post 2453, Cephrir wrote:Because he had to investigate orcinus

Duh?
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Post Post #2456 (isolation #213) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:00 pm

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In post 2455, Guyett wrote:you claim to follow him because he 'trounced you'
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #214) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:05 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #215) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:06 pm

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This exchange over the past few pages says guyett is town and it makes me happy.

RC-tippy-AFB cluserfuck needs sorting.
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #216) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:15 pm

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Guyett wrote:who do you think should be todays lynch then?
In post 2459, MC Maraca wrote:RC-tippy-AFB cluserfuck needs sorting.
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #217) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:51 pm

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I.... what the actual fuck?

You just had me out our protective PR because you fucking made up a cop guilty; and then proceeded to affirm said cop guilty when I asked you if you wanted to retract it?

Do you have any fucking clue what you've done?!?
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #218) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:52 pm

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In post 2494, TheIrishPope wrote:No, you're literally insane. That's what I'm saying. Your results are mixed up. Hermy's the scum.
Okay yeah RC is full of shit but you aren't, are you?
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #219) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:55 pm

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Part of me wants to just utility lynch RC to clear the wifom on this shit. The rest of me says that tippy knows what's up and I should sheep him.
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #220) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:11 pm

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In post 2494, TheIrishPope wrote:No, you're literally insane. That's what I'm saying. Your results are mixed up. Hermy's the scum.
I can lines between the reads. The only question is if RC is fucking moronic town fakeclaiming, or fucking mornonic scum fakeclaiming.

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Post Post #2510 (isolation #221) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:44 pm

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In post 2509, Toomai wrote:
In post 2494, TheIrishPope wrote:No, you're literally insane. That's what I'm saying. Your results are mixed up. Hermy's the scum.
Because that's totally allowed in Normal games.
Technically, two non normal roles are allowed in the setup. That said, it's very obvious RC is fakeclaiming and being a dip; whereas tippy clearly knows what he is doing.
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #222) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:45 pm

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Like people this game suck at picking up obvious crumbs.
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Post Post #2513 (isolation #223) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:46 pm

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Welcome to The Road to Rome + A few players
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Post Post #2515 (isolation #224) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:52 pm

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In post 2514, RadiantCowbells wrote:"omg everyone that won't buy my fakeclaimed shit is obvscum"
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Post Post #2522 (isolation #225) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:28 pm

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Mara-head is V/LA for a week
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Post Post #2533 (isolation #226) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:04 am

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Wow ceph you haven't figured it out yet? It was kind of obvious. Tippy even softclaimed it day two.
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Post Post #2535 (isolation #227) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:11 am

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In post 2534, Guyett wrote:@tippy any chance did you can share who you investigated last night if you were able to investigate?
He's already claimed both his results, guyett. ISO him.
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Post Post #2537 (isolation #228) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:20 am

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Your last name is smith isnt it?
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Post Post #2541 (isolation #229) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:46 am

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I think that's kind of obvious.
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Post Post #2598 (isolation #230) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:20 pm

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In post 2543, Hermy wrote:Maraca, let me just make sure...
Although I highly doubt you ARE in fact a town PR... you uh... investigated someone... you were strongly townreading in this game... because of a completely different game that had nothing to do with this one... instead of going and investigating a scumread of yours in this game, although that would have been the logical choice...
Okay...
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I'm going to end up breaking my Needed brake, and then I'm going to be mad at all of you

but like, we aren't cop. we don't get anyone's alignment.

we are follower, all we do is learn if someone made an action last night. Following a scum-read isn't going to do shit since there's like a 1 in 5 chance that they will do anything.

on the other hand, if we check out our town-reads and find something other than a No-action we can dispell any paranoia we may or may not have on that slot (or at least I can, because I always tend to turn my back on those strong town-reads at some point in a game) and thus be more helpful.
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #231) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:21 pm

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like, fuck

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Post Post #2614 (isolation #232) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:20 pm

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RC isn't a cop. He's not even mildly suspicious of tippy; who claimed an investigative role that wouldn't be alongside cop in a game this size.
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #233) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:25 pm

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In post 2618, Cephrir wrote:And cop/follower is almost as crazy as cop/gunsmith but you didn't instantly lynch orcinus.
Because I had means to verify it.
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #234) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:38 pm

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In post 2620, Cephrir wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21285 2 cops in 18 players
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=22676 cop & tracker in 17 players
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=22748 cop & 2 1-shot gunsmiths in 19 players

all new york

you lose
I comfortably sit corrected.
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #235) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:25 pm

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Lol I wish. Nothing but goons and a scumdoc. No RB; no rolecop; not even a fucking follower. I ran the numbers and we could mislynch every town player with a guilty on us; and we'd still lose. If the cop is real, setup is super unbalanced. If it's a fake doc but real gunsmith, then eh, outplayed in night actions and I'm okay with it.
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Post Post #2751 (isolation #236) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:25 pm

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Birthday present accepted, cephrir!
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Post Post #2752 (isolation #237) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:26 pm

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(He's still probably SK though so we'll shoot him tonight for you guys, mutual loss ftw)
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Post Post #2755 (isolation #238) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:28 pm

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It' sad because all the logical people - cephrir was the scumteam.
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Post Post #2756 (isolation #239) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:28 pm

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In post 2754, Cephrir wrote:Go right ahead buddy, I'd rather have a nightkilled by scum on my record than a survived anyway!
You hug me and I'll hug you, and we can detonate together!
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Post Post #2758 (isolation #240) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:30 pm

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In post 2757, Cephrir wrote:Unfortunately I have to hug AFB D:
Well, we could just all detonate in the night phase? I'll ask GM if she'll let us target ourselves with an extra nightkill, wheeee.
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Post Post #2760 (isolation #241) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:33 pm

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By the way I honestly think rank and bauss shouldn't be allowed to play on opposite sides anymore; if they have sort of personal trust tells on replacing in and out.
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Post Post #2761 (isolation #242) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:33 pm

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In post 2759, Cephrir wrote:The only reason I want to post my QT is so I can get credit for being paranoid about MCM/AFB more than I was in thread.
We were killing you tonight from the start most likely anyways it's whatever.
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Post Post #2764 (isolation #243) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:46 pm

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In post 2762, Cephrir wrote:Agreed. Also, I suspect them of cheating, but that's just me.
Not just you :~(
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Post Post #2765 (isolation #244) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:48 pm

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In post 2763, yessiree wrote:WTF I lost my post, remaking it now
You played well.
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Post Post #2767 (isolation #245) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:50 pm

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Dude it doesn't matter, yessiree, the entire scumteam just claimed scum lol.
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Post Post #2770 (isolation #246) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:52 pm

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Well, cephrir form his reactions is town vig, so the setup is impossible anyways.
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Post Post #2771 (isolation #247) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:52 pm

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Where's AP? We need tons of claimed scum troll posts.
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Post Post #2773 (isolation #248) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:53 pm

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In post 2769, Angry Frat BROs wrote:ftr no the scum communications are being made public.
And by that he means we all just bitched at goodmorning on Skype all day anyways; so it's not getting released.
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Post Post #2776 (isolation #249) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:54 pm

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No shame in raising the white flag in an unwinnable gamestate. I highly doubt town wants to suffer through two more days of lynching us while we post trolling pix.
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Post Post #2778 (isolation #250) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:56 pm

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For the record, if RC is legit a cop.

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Post Post #2779 (isolation #251) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:57 pm

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Like how the fuck does scum win that with no blocks or even a rolecop to find them?
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Post Post #2783 (isolation #252) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:59 pm

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Even if he is, one role as the single counter to both town roles is pretty lame. Like is AFB dies, we're entire at mercy of both vig AND gunsmith.
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Post Post #2788 (isolation #253) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:08 pm

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I honestly mildly suspect bauss and Rank of cheating, possibly to the point of giving bauss the whole scumteam...



I think they just talked about WHY rank replaced out (GM knows but we the scumteam don't) and that was alignment indicative. But it's possible. Cephrir was moving in lockstep with the entire scumteam on day one and two; and yet bauss didn't even mildly suspect him.
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Post Post #2791 (isolation #254) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:15 pm

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In post 2789, yessiree wrote:yeah, Cephrir would be my back-up scumread
He's not scum. The scumteam is Me, AFB, sangres, orcnius. If there's a SK that's your problem; but scum is scooping.
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Post Post #2792 (isolation #255) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:15 pm

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In post 2790, Cephrir wrote:He started to suspect me after I basically pointed out "you should really suspect me", but that doesn't count.
That was after he made his big "here's entire scumteam but let me only FOS sangres instead of calling all four so it doesn't look as bad" post.
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Post Post #2795 (isolation #256) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:19 pm

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In post 2794, yessiree wrote:yeah I know, I'm just saying I would lynch Cephrir if we somehow end up in a LyLo situation and all my other scumreads are dead
You won't. If cephrir is town, game is over, as we've asked GM to let us all just end the game here and not drag it out. If game doesn't end when all three of us are dead; then you've got like a ton of mislynches to play with.
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Post Post #2800 (isolation #257) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:24 pm

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In post 2797, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2794, yessiree wrote:yeah I know, I'm just saying I would lynch Cephrir if we somehow end up in a LyLo situation and all my other scumreads are dead
No, you won't.
You a real PR or just fakeclaiming? if you're real time to go hunt down the reviewers of this game with a pitchfork and a torch.
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Post Post #2804 (isolation #258) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:28 pm

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Eh, that's better at least. Still. Setup is kinda broken if AFB goes down.
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Post Post #2889 (isolation #259) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:36 pm

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I was reluctant to condede FWIW
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #260) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:37 pm

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but, holy shit this set-up was super town-sided
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Post Post #2891 (isolation #261) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:45 pm

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If Mara was scum, would she really pull the exact same stunt on my slot that she did in Hard Boiled? Maybe not.

Stunt?

I don't really know what you're talking about, lol. Starting off, you legit gave me some weird vibes early on that I would have attacked as town. the only stunt I pulled was the back-off on my read on you and switching from attack mode to buddy-up mode
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Post Post #2892 (isolation #262) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:04 pm

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I didn't like the fake-cop guilty, and I would have hated it even more if I was town. I can appreciate gambits, I have pulled some in the past and MC Mara games are so full of gambits (mostly made by C) that I know where they are headed.

I understand the feeling of never being listened to, but lying about something and not admitting that it's a lie isn't going to do anything. Other than, maybe make you less trust-worthy as time goes on so that, if you do ever truly get cop people won't listen to you (boy who cried wolf)

I am not fond of the execution of the claim, and I am definitely not fond of the lack of trust you have in your fellow townies.

A game isn't all about you (and this is coming from me, one of the most self-centered players ever) it's about knowing the strength of everyone else around you, working together to get scum/town eliminated.
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