Open 11 - Pie C9 (Game over) - before 400

[Nightfall]

You say "If we mislynch today", and talk of the cop being blocked tonight unless we lynch scum, but as far as I can see we cannot win if we mislynch today. It's game over. It would go to night as a formality only. The scum would block or kill the doc and that ends the game.

I'll go ahead and state that if the town mislynches today, I won't even go to night as the scum will have fufilled their win condition due to it being impossible for them to not win.

What? Did I miss something? We could misslynch today, have a night kill, and still wake up in the morning with 3 town and 2 scum could we not? That's not a win for scum...

[bird1111]

Right now there are 4 town and 2 scum. If you misslynch today, there will be 3 town and 2 scum, and since scum are guarrentied to either kill or block the doc, their kill will go through making it 2 town and 2 scum.

[Twito]

I'm about to post content but I'll wait a while longer..

[Skruffs]

Hmm.
Just realized a slip up by the mod. Sorry for the slight metagaming here:

I think, if the cop has any result, innocent or not, they should claim. If the doctor protected that person, that person is cleared. That's three people.

Poll:

In favor of cop claiming only with guilty result: 0
In favor of cop claiming only with any result : 1 (Skruffs)
In favor of cop claiming regardless of result : 0
In favor of cop not claiming regardless of result : 0

[Ripley]

Just realized a slip up by the mod. Sorry for the slight metagaming here:

huh?

I think, if the cop has any result, innocent or not, they should claim. If the doctor protected that person, that person is cleared. That's three people.

I don't understand this at all. Who do you mean by "that person"? The cop? The cop's cleared as long as nobody counterclaims. Why are you bringing the doc into it?

In favor of cop claiming only with any result : 1 (Skruffs)

So you continue to support an option which could reveal the cop to the scum but not to the town?

And, just as suspicious if not more so, you appear to be trying to conduct a poll which excludes the option I support.

[Patrick]

Yes, I too would like Skruffs to elaborate on the alledged slip by the mod. Incidentally I don't really think that a mod should have posted something like what he said in the last post, but that's another story.

As I see it, cop claiming period, is better than cop claiming only if he has a result, as pointed out before by Ripley.

[bird1111]

Do I need to deadline you all this early in the day?

[Patrick]

No. You need to prod CDB and Twito.

[bird1111]

They have been prodded.

[Twito]

I don't understand why I was prodded. It's completely normal people aren't able to post during weekend. I was away for the weekend.

[Skruffs]

Wow, Ripley, I sense hostility?
Whoever the cop protected is cleared. If someone claims to be a cop, and the doctor protected that person, and there

is

a counterclaimer, the doctor can

automatically

clear the real cop. This is assuming a townie doesn't ile, and claim cop, but I doubt any of us are that foolish.

I thought that was simple to understand. Maybe I worded it badly.

Ripley, you are more than welcome to copy-paste the poll and add yourself to it with whatever option you want. Telling me I am not including your opinion doesn't mean anything - I didn't include anyone but my own's. EVeryone should copy and add their

own idea or opinion

, but it's a vote, that way. I'm not the mod, I'm not going to do it for them.
You just seem very nervous all of a sudden.

[Twito]

I'm btw waiting for CDB.

[ChannelDelibird]

Analysis since post 272.

Fircoal's 275: "I agree with your suspicions of Ripley. And so the game I'm playing is called Follow the leader?" Now that's a change of tack.

Fircoal D1 lynch: O SNAP.

Nightfall's 300: I'm not too hot on a mass claim.

Nightfall's 309: Now I'm more interested.

Nothing else has really happened. Mass claim might help to get us moving.

How shall we start? Nominations for the first player to claim, then that person claims and says who goes next?

[Ripley]

Skruffs: if you sensed hostility, you misread my tone. This has happened to me in other games, so I apologise. It certainly wasn't meant.

Telling me I am not including your opinion doesn't mean anything - I didn't include anyone but my own's.

I didn't say that, I said you didn't include my preferred

option

(mass claim) in your poll. You included four options and your own opinion.

You just seem very nervous all of a sudden.

Not at all. Mildly suspicious; somewhat frustrated that we seem to have so much difficulty understanding each other, when I think everything I write is clear and you presumably think everything you write is.

Nothing else has really happened. Mass claim might help to get us moving.

How shall we start? Nominations for the first player to claim, then that person claims and says who goes next?

If we do it, I think that's a good way to determine the order. But I'd like to hear other opinions on the mass claim idea before we proceed. Although it's my favored option, I'm not so super confident that I don't want to hear other views.

I wonder why Twito wouldn't post until after CDb had?

[Patrick]

Thinking about it, if we mass claim, we'll likely get 3 confirmed players, assuming scum didn't try to block and kill the same player. That's assuming no counterclaims of course. I think it's a decent idea. If we get counterclaims that still gives us information to work with.

[Twito]

I wonder why Twito wouldn't post until after CDb had?

I was waiting if he would claim cop.

Don't have time to post properly atm.

[Nightfall]

Twito> Is that a cop claim from you then?

[Twito]

Twito> Is that a cop claim from you then?

No.

[Skruffs]

I'll go ahead and state that if the town mislynches today, I won't even go to night as the scum will have fufilled their win condition due to it being impossible for them to not win.

This is the goof (sorry mod, have to point it out)
The only way that the scum will know with 100% accuracy that they will block or kill the doctor is if they targetted two people last night.
If they had targetted the same person with both actions (which doesn't even really make sense) than there would be three people left 'unchecked' and they could max have a 66% cvhance of blocking or killing the doctor.

Since we know that the scum definitely know that the doctor is one of two people, we know that they definitely targetted two people last night.


Here is who I think is most likely to be scum out of everyone left:
All of you. I don't really know how to pick and choose through everyone to figure out which two are scum.

Claiming, mass claiming at least, will at least clear some people - either townise will be cleared or the power roles will be cleared.

If we do claim, I guses we should do roles first, targets second. I will expect both doctors to have claimed the same targets.

Just musing now.
Anyways.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK, if we're claiming I think I'd like Nightfall to go first.

[Ripley]

I agree that people claiming roles should only claim roles initially (not targets).

I think until all claiming is over we should refrain from any speculation as to what scum are likely to do.

I'm ok with Nightfall going first.

[Patrick]

I'd like Skruffs to go fairly early as well.

[Skruffs]

I can claim second, it's no problem for me. Or first, if that's what everyone wants.

[Nightfall]

*groan*
There are a few people I'd like to hear claims from before I give mine, but if I have to go first I will.

[Patrick]

Lol. Personally I am not that suspicious of Nightfall, and would happily see Skruffs and/or Twito going before him, but it might be hard to figure out an order if we all disagree. I don't especially mind where I go in the order.