Open 11 - Pie C9 (Game over) - before 400

[Ripley]

I'd probably have picked Twito as my first choice, but I didn't mind Nightfall and I wouldn't have minded Skruffs either.

Perhaps if nobody has a first choice that

isn't

one of those three, we could randomize them with dice rolls?

[Patrick]

Sounds alright to me. Ripley can probably go last.

[Nightfall]

I'd like CDB, and Skruffs to go before me if at all possible...

[Ripley]

LOL. this is becoming like a logic problem. How to arrange these six people so that everybody's demands are satisfied?

I was just about to post a suggestion which Nightfall's latest has rendered obsolete.

Patrick, you're the chess player (allegedly), which marks you out as a person of refined cutting-edge logical intellect. Think of something!

[Patrick]

Patrick, you're the chess player (allegedly), which marks you out as a person of refined cutting-edge logical intellect. Think of something!

I am indeed a chess player, though sadly I have no cutting edge logical intellect. I suppose everyone should post at least what order they want roughly. Keeping flexiblity I'd say something like this:

Skruffs
Twito
Nightfall
Patrick or CDB
Ripley

Reversing the first two if wanted. Nightfall has asked to go after CDB though, and CDB wants the opposite.

[Ripley]

I think having everyone post their entire preferred order is possibly divulging too much information. Patrick's list is fine by me. Probably CDB should go above Patrick because of the Nightfall/CDB clash, and someone could roll a dice between those two to see which goes above the other. So:

Skruffs
Twito
Nightfall / CDB
Patrick
Ripley

Anyone object to anything?

[Skruffs]

Hodl on, I've almost got the system set up. It's pretty.

[Skruffs]

MEant to ask : Ripley, you care where you go in that order?

[Skruffs]

Theoretically, I'd like to say that everyone in the mislynch yesterday should go first : That's CDB, Patrick, Nightfall, Ripley. Only in reverse, as each vote put fircoal closer. I'm curious why Patrick wants the two people who didn't lynch Fircoal to go first. Oh well, he knows what he's doing, I'm sure. I'd liek to pipe in with that, but I won't.

Nightfall : cdb, skruffs first
Patrick : skruffs, twito, then nightfall, himself doesn't matter, ripley last
Skruffs : any order
Twito : No preferences states
Ripley : (twito) nightfall, skruffs
CDB - Nightfall first

With that said, I made a simple system of assigning weights. Assign each place a number, subtract that number from 5 (yes this does make negative numbers), add totals together.

Nightfall : CDB

Skruffs

Nightfall

Twito Patrick Ripley

Patrick : Skruffs

Twito

Nightfall

CDB Patrick

Ripley

Ripley : Twito

Nightfall

Skruffs

Patrick CDB Ripley

CDB : Nightfall

Skruffs Ripley Patrick CDB Twito

Twito/ Skruffs :

Nightfall Twito Skruffs CDB Patrick Ripley

Black = 4, Blue = 3, Green = 2, Red = 0 (no opinion), white = -1

With that table, scores are:
Nightfall : 11 points
Skruffs : 9 points
Twito : 7 points.
CDB : 4 points
Patrick : 0 points
Ripley : -1 Points

I'm really curious about it. Still, yeah, everyone should confirm/change their choices before anyoen starts.

[Skruffs]

Last post, promise. I wrote my predictions down and posted them somewhere. If I'm write, I'll link tot hem later. If I'm not, I won't.

[Patrick]

Theoretically, I'd like to say that everyone in the mislynch yesterday should go first : That's CDB, Patrick, Nightfall, Ripley. Only in reverse, as each vote put fircoal closer. I'm curious why Patrick wants the two people who didn't lynch Fircoal to go first. Oh well, he knows what he's doing, I'm sure. I'd liek to pipe in with that, but I won't.

I find this curious. I don't especially find the players on the lynch more suspicious, in fact I could conceivebly see both scum staying off the lynch. I think you've mostly ignored the context here, that we were on a deadline. Nightfall's and Ripley's votes on Fircoal seemed to be made mostly with that in mind. Lynching someone was better than not lynching at all, and I didn't exactly see Twito coming up with a brilliant alternative lynch for us either. The last sentence is also funny, why do you want to avoid piping in with that? I could be scum like any other player from the general POV, is there some reason why I have higher authority that you're willing to bow down to?

[Skruffs]

I had already said otherwise regarding my preferences, and changing it right before the start of the claiming is disruptive.

And actually,
No. While a mislynch is better than a non-mislynch, in regular 7 player, in this game, it's not.
Because we only had four townies left after the lynch, scum couldn't seal the deal like they did this time. With five players, it could take up to three nights to combo block/kill all of them, depending on who was lynched the second day. So no, lynching anyone was

not

better than lynching nobody at all. Lynching nobody at all would not have streamlined this game so effectively for scum.

We really didn't think this through before hand - I didn't, anyways. I'll blame the deadline for that, but a deadline does *not* mean that we need to lynch someone ASAP. It's unfortunate none of the townies on the wagon thought of that, either.

Lastly..
Are you saying that you think me and Twito, who didn't lynch fircoal, are more likely to be a scum team than every other combination in the game?

I'm *real*curious about this: Why is it that you want Ripley to have the pleasure of claiming, last? You do realize the person who claims last has the most freedom to pick and choose through claims, right? You've effectively partially claimed already by saying that.

[Patrick]

And actually,
No. While a mislynch is better than a non-mislynch, in regular 7 player, in this game, it's not.
Because we only had four townies left after the lynch, scum couldn't seal the deal like they did this time. With five players, it could take up to three nights to combo block/kill all of them, depending on who was lynched the second day. So no, lynching anyone was not better than lynching nobody at all. Lynching nobody at all would not have streamlined this game so effectively for scum.

I believe no lynching on day 1 of a 7 player game is a bad move. Obviously, if we no lynched, and went to night and the doc stopped a kill, then great, we're back where we started, but with more information from the night. But we weren't to know that there would be no kill at night. And yes, lynching a townie is worse than not lynching, but we can only say that with hindsight. Only the scum knew before that he was a townie.

Lastly..
Are you saying that you think me and Twito, who didn't lynch fircoal, are more likely to be a scum team than every other combination in the game?

I don't know about more likely than any other in the game, though I'm certainly considering it.

I'm *real*curious about this: Why is it that you want Ripley to have the pleasure of claiming, last? You do realize the person who claims last has the most freedom to pick and choose through claims, right? You've effectively partially claimed already by saying that. Razz

I just think he's likely town so I wouldn't mind him going last. I didn't realise I'd partially roleclaimed by saying that.

[Ripley]

Skruffs,

please

cut out the speculation. Sometimes the best way to demonstrate your cleverness is to show that you have the wisdom to judge when to be quiet.

I think we should get on with roleclaiming right away. The following list has everyone within a place of where they were on my list, Patrick's list

and

Skruff's list.

Skruffs
Nightfall
Twito
CDB
Patrick
Ripley

Let's just do it.

[Skruffs]

TOtally fine with that, however, let's have everyone confirm so that nobody has the excuse of "Oh I didn't want to do this" later on.

And to be honest, Ripster, the list i provided isn't accounted for at all, but thats' just a note. I don't have an issue, there, no matter who was in last place, i would be suspicious of them.

[ChannelDelibird]

That order is fine for me.

[Skruffs]

Twito, nightfall?

[Nightfall]

I will go with it. Still I'd rather have at least one of Twito or CDB, preferably CDB claiming above me.

[Skruffs]

Relax, nightfall. We'll figure it out. There's four of us and two of them, whoever they are. I mean, if you are scum, then forget it - you're screwed.

Side note -while waiting for twito to respond - should we each respond to each claim befroe the next person goes?

[Patrick]

I'd say we just all claim in the given order, no responses until it's all done. At least, I think that's how it's usually done.

[Nightfall]

I vote for no response

[Skruffs]

okie dokie, just wandering. I'm goign first so..

I am a regular townie with no abilities at night.
Who's surprised? And I am 98% sure of who the other townie will be. It's based on scum logic.

[Ripley]

And I am 98% sure of who the other townie will be. It's based on scum logic.

Skruffs,

please

. Please stop this. Please don't post any more until all the claiming and claiming of targets has been done. I can see what's happening. You want to slip in all these speculations and predictions and hints before the claims so that you can use them as proof that you were right (if it turns out that you were). Your first aim if you are town should be to catch scum, and I think the best way to do that prior to a roleclaim is to keep quiet about what you know, or think you know, until the scum have been forced to take a position.

[Skruffs]

Don't put words in my mouth.
You're speculating.

[Nightfall]

Are we waiting on me? or will the order still possibly change?