NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[jbomber732]

Guzame could just be some inactive fellow so giving them your top scumread, rather than waiting to see what they do next, seems out of place.
I realized i am not actually voting.
VOTE: Beast

He says that he read through 8+ pages of arguing and posts and he does not have 1 scum read? That made me very suspicious and I'm surprised it didn't make you.

[Antihero]

Explain how 363 comes from scum.

he used his fingers, and he typed it. or he used that fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software. not really sure.

i don't see what you think is so town about it, especially his reaction to my push

here's a town response:
"fuck you, antihero. i'm scumreading beast and that's that. i think X and X are scummy and i don't know why you're defending him so much."

scum response:
"well, it's not a strong scumread it was a

slight

scumread. why do you want to talk about it anyway? we should talk about greyice. you're scummy if you don't want to talk about greyice. you know, if you don't change the subject, i'm going to start calling you scum."

[beastcharizard]

Can you explain your read on me please? I just want to see how scum justify scum reading town people.

[jbomber732]

Sometimes you just take the littlest things and seem (key word is seem) to try to exploit them on the poster. You are a very very slight scumread, but you're still in that category. Sorry if I'm wrong, but if there was a player who could tell who scum was, well this game would be worthless.

[Antihero]

holy shit bob is at least on everyone's "leaning scum" list but NOBODY is voting him

[Hopkirk]

Guzame could just be some inactive fellow so giving them your top scumread, rather than waiting to see what they do next, seems out of place.
I realized i am not actually voting.
VOTE: Beast

He says that he read through 8+ pages of arguing and posts and he does not have 1 scum read? That made me very suspicious and I'm surprised it didn't make you.

I think i marked it as suspicious earlier in the thread but wanted to see how he followed it up in his next post.

[jbomber732]

holy shit bob is at least on everyone's "leaning scum" list but NOBODY is voting him

sorry but i prefer to vote for my more solid scum reads

[Antihero]

well, khan's latest reach-out post is actually pretty town.

[PeregrineV]

Explain how 363 comes from scum.

he used his fingers, and he typed it. or he used that fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software. not really sure.

i don't see what you think is so town about it, especially his reaction to my push

here's a town response:
"fuck you, antihero. i'm scumreading beast and that's that. i think X and X are scummy and i don't know why you're defending him so much."

scum response:
"well, it's not a strong scumread it was a

slight

scumread. why do you want to talk about it anyway? we should talk about greyice. you're scummy if you don't want to talk about greyice. you know, if you don't change the subject, i'm going to start calling you scum."

Since I don't specifically remember your "push" on Khan, this now means I have to go look for it. Until then, suffice to say that the responses that I very much relate to.

"Words like "obvtown", "obvscum", and "PSA: X is town" get thrown around and retracted with so much abandon that they are meaningless. Mafia is a game of nebulousness and doubt. None of my reads are ever going to be 100% unless the mod is involved."

I agree very much. Not to say it's not done, but rationale has to be given at some point. And I think this was expanded on already...

"Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm sorry, I did not mean to give you impression that I think you're anything but scum right now."

Clarified Grey as a scumread when could sit on fence about him.

"Gosh, the people I listed as "slightly scummy" on Page 10(ish.. whatever it was) have very thin cases on them. How atrociously suspicious of me."

Strength of reads does matter.

"If you don't care enough to summarize a case, then you're not serious about it."

Agree with this most of the time. I get there are sometimes not reasons, but summaries always help understanding.

"Playing scum is incredibly easier. All you have to do it randomly pacify people by calling them town. Don't state reasons for any read, let people infer whatever they want because it's easy to deny things you never stated. Threaten that you can change your mind on a whim to give yourself blanket immunity. And retaliate against anyone that puts suspicion on you first. "

Yeah, this. Which ties back to the first paragraph.

etc.

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

especially since he's a pretty conversational player

[beastcharizard]

@bomber:

I was talking to Hopkirk. Good to know you think yourself scummy though.

Hopkirk, you weren't even in RVS. You just came in throwing around a vote for bad reasons. Then after you had to reply you made yourself look worse not better. When are the bigger reasons going to come? You tried to start a wagon on someone and had nothing behind it. You are throwing stuff out and hoping it sticks. What is your opinion on me exactly?

1.)At this stage of the game those reasons seem enough for preliminary voting... nothing better means you use your vote for little things and see how stuff develops.
2.) Yeah that helps develop the gamestate/get reads. If you don't pick up on little things and question people about them you're not going to get reads.
3.) Leaning bad but that's possibly because pretty much all you've said is about me and is wrong.

“The first game was like half filled by players from the other site. We have a close knit bond and I feel we all think we can read the others better than most people.”: I don’t think I’ve played with beast or notscience more than once (or twice at the most).

@Twisted: 73 I have clearly explained my logic. 99- we can’t see your quicktopic can we? So why do you expect us to know what's in it?

UNVOTE: Monkey

Hopkirk, this is the only time you have mentioned any sort of read on me and this is because I am "wrong" about you. There is nothing scummy about being wrong. So could you kindly explain your read on me? And better, why you are voting me.

[The Knight-Errant]

This is a few pages late, but please do not talk about ongoing games any more. I believe the game can continue as normal but if a slot is compromised I will have to forcefully replace or modkill.

Vote Count 1.16

Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) - PeregrineV, Antihero
burn_209 (2) - Lords of the Unreal, MafiaSSK
beastcharizard (2) - Katarina LeBlanc, Hopkirk
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - Turkish Van
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Guzame (1) - jbomber732
MafiaSSK (1) - notscience
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob
Kublai Khan (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (2) - Metal Sonic, Guzame

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Antihero]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

especially since he's a pretty conversational player

jafar and iago

, we need to have a chat about this slot^

i'm super, super cereal

[Twisted Advice]

I'm not sure I really get the volume of sudden beast hate. Nor the Khan hate. The latter of which, if it has been adequately explained ever, I have no recollection of reasons for.

I want PV to be town for trying, but this possible meta stuff is a bit bothersome.

Hopkirk and Bob are still scum, and we should wagon them better.

Iago

p-edit: Do we? It's pretty clearly scum, right?
Unless you're proposing something else?

[Antihero]

Post 15 was townish but it's starting to become a faded memory so you probably have a good point. I'm planning do some updated analysis and post new reads on Sunday. Time to see who is trying to slip under the radar.

context context context is key

trying to be cute and clever isn't a scumtell

trying to be cute and clever in the absence of anything substantive comes off as trying to appear town without really doing anything (scum)

[Antihero]

I'm not sure I really get the volume of sudden beast hate. Nor the Khan hate. The latter of which, if it has been adequately explained ever, I have no recollection of reasons for.

I want PV to be town for trying, but this possible meta stuff is a bit bothersome.

Hopkirk and Bob are still scum, and we should wagon them better.

Iago

p-edit: Do we? It's pretty clearly scum, right?
Unless you're proposing something else?

ah, somehow i was inferring a Bob town read from post 359

...don't know what i was thinking...

[Twisted Advice]

Ah, my mistake. I had meant to say in that post that burn was a bad wagon. I totally support the other two.

Iago

[jbomber732]

Has sonic actually been posting? or will he get replaced?

[Bicephalous Bob]

i'm super, super cereal

nice sk crumb

[Lords of the Unreal]

Sorry, Kaze and I are just bored out of our minds. Last I checked, he thought jbomber's tone took a really weird shift, but otherwise I don't think either of us are paying attention. From the vote count, it looks like SSK and us are going to be a three-man hydra with two votes so, um, yeah.

VOTE: Bicephalous Bob for right now--I trust PV and Antihero both to be good players and at least one of them town.

[jbomber732]

Don't judge

[Antihero]

i'm super, super cereal

nice sk crumb

another cute comebacks, but this time with a dash of selective scumhunting

excellent recipe for scumbag soup

[jbomber732]

Needs some salt

[Twisted Advice]

VOTE: Bob

[PeregrineV]

Saturday post!