Mini 419: Farkle Mafia (Game Over)
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It's not my turn, is it? Also, I strongly dislike Coron's defenses of misrepresenting people."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Coron wrote:They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell.
The former quote is misleading, and the latter is oversimplified.Coron wrote:He wants to lynch me because I'm winning the Farkle game. Not a particularly strong reason."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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@thesp: my three picks.
1. Cogito ergo scum
Is he really playing this game, or just joking around. All he has done is suggest a coron vote and then try and jump on wagons. If he's not scum then he's not a helpful town regardless and is probably the best first day lynch.
2. Coron
Not much going here, but theres the stats thing, which I didn't like, and then the vote for nocmen which he didn't give a reason for.
3. Dagger
This ones more of a gut feeling, but it also has something to do with how he went from arguing with coron to defending him, sort of.-
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I like how you're thinking.ThAdmiral wrote:@thesp: my three picks.
1. Cogito ergo scum
Is he really playing this game, or just joking around. All he has done is suggest a coron vote and then try and jump on wagons. If he's not scum then he's not a helpful town regardless and is probably the best first day lynch.
2. Coron
Not much going here, but theres the stats thing, which I didn't like, and then the vote for nocmen which he didn't give a reason for.
3. Dagger
This ones more of a gut feeling, but it also has something to do with how he went from arguing with coron to defending him, sort of."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Thesp wrote:Coron wrote:They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell.
The former quote is misleading, and the latter is oversimplified.Coron wrote:He wants to lynch me because I'm winning the Farkle game. Not a particularly strong reason.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:Vote Coron.
He's likely to reach 10000 very soon this way. We'd better lynch him before he does.
These are the only reasons I see given by CES for the lynch of me, and the first one is all I saw in terms of reasoning given for voting for me at the time of my first post.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:
I think Coron already explained this rather well. At this point, it's best for me to want nobody but myself win the Farkle game.kilmenator wrote:
Unless you know that coron is not pro-town, you have no reason not to want him to do well.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:Vote Coron.
He's likely to reach 10000 very soon this way. We'd better lynch him before he does.
So you're saying i should be a mind reader? Okay, how about this. Hmmm I'm tapping into CES's brain wave! He's voting me because he's scum!
As far as I could tell at the point of the first post you quote, that was the only given reason. And even now, the only reason CES has sited for his vote is the fact that I am winning the farkle game, which is what the 2nd post is in reference to.-
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It was less of defending him and more of being suspicious of Thesp. His vote has been on Coron for what seemed like forever.ThAdmiral wrote:3. Dagger
This ones more of a gut feeling, but it also has something to do with how he went from arguing with coron to defending him, sort of.
How does Coron as a scum play?Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:Apart from gut, I have, indeed, no other reason to vote for Coron.-
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Sorry, had a flood of work. Means the missing people had a few extra days to check in. NOW anyone who isn't here will be replaced.
Mojo requested replacement; Bird1111 will be replaced.
Farkle Scores
Coron - 2900
ThAdmiral - 250
Dagger - 500
kilmenator - 400
bird1111 - 750
Thesp - 700
Mojo - 1250
Cogito Ergo Scum - 850
Nocmen - 250
Adele - 0
Page 10 Voting Record
Nocmen (2): Cogito Ergo Scum, Coron
Mojo (2): Bird1111, Dagger
Coron (1): Thesp
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Kilmenator
ThAdmiral (1): Mojo
Not Voting (3): ThAdmiral, Adele, Nocmen
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Tentative deadline set for Friday, May 11th.Last edited by Nai on Sat May 05, 2007 6:21 am, edited 2 times in total.-
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Awesome, two games in one!
Firstly, the Farkle. I've got a few quick questions about how it works:
Firstly, "I" got skipped because, it appears, bird111 isn't on the site anymore. Is that opportunity to play now lost or was I bumped down the list?
Secondly, what happens if someone wins the game? Do we play another game today?
Because from a strategy point of view, there are two things to realise here, if I understand this correctly. Firstly, within limitations, we can choose how many powers are granted each night.
Secondly,we can control who gets them- by having all other players deliberately bust each turn.
Now obviously the second one is something we don't want to be consideringat this point, because obviously at the moment there's no-one who I trust to be town sufficiently to consider their being a tactical advantage to Farklefixing. Come later in the game, this might well be something we want to think about - if not to hand the game (meaning Farkle, not Mafia here, obv) to one player, at least force certain players to throw their hands. However, I strongly doubt that an effectively random distribution of Farkley goodness is to the benefit of the town in the long run compared to the alternative.
In case you're worried about such a plan backfiring, I'd point out that it's resilient to being undermined by someone deciding not to bust at an advantageous moment as it's currently looking totally impractical to try and make marker on a single turn, and the moment someone tries we can lynch them.
But like I said, we don't want to consider that yet. What we do need to think about is whether we want additional Farkles on a given day. But that's not so simple, so I'll wait until the mod confirms whether this is or isn't possible before I start to work out what the best approach is (my gut leans towards extra Farkles being a good thing, at least at this stage of the game).
Mafia thoughts will follow shortly too. This one looks interesting, for sure.[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
Until one man hangs by his neck, by half this curs'd town's will[/i]-
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It probably isn't in the spirit of Farkle to Farklefix. It ismost definitelyin the spirit of Mafia to Farklefix.
If I want to play Farkle fairly, I'll do it in WSOGMM. Here I'm trying to win - winning Farkle can help in that, and fixing Farkle can help in that too.[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
Until one man hangs by his neck, by half this curs'd town's will[/i]-
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I think that if there is a potentially breaking strategy in a game, then it is ourresponsibilityto exploit it, in the same way as we use any other information or tactics at our disposal to catch the scum.
And yes, I think it's entirely possible that the mod had taken into account the fact that we can fix the Farkles. After all, this is a team game where we try to work together to catch the scum, and it's a game where we're playing Farkle as a subgame. It's not exactly a huge leap to apply the working together to catch the scum to the Farkle itself. I've designed games with subgames in them before with the expectation that the players "break" them - it broke the subgame, sure, but not the game.
But if not, then that's an oversight in the game design, however to decide not to exploit it on principle isactively damaging to the town. Now I'm not saying we necessarilyshouldbe going down this line, at least not yet, but "it's not in the spirit of the game" is a silly reason not to.
My objective is to win. What's yours?
vote: Coron[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
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