Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Kison]

What do you think about BM's theory? What do you think of Rand's claim?

[spectrumvoid]

To be honest, I think we've been pushing BM around a lot. He defended scum, and badly at that, yesterdfay, but he had a reason to,he had the same role.

Skruffs: I don't see how BM defending someone who had the same role would make him not scum. At that time, BM had no way of knowing there would be multiple criminologists running around.

I'm currently reviewing the case against SJ, but I'll probably wait for the replacement to say something else before I post it.

[Skruffs]

I completely agere with you, SV.
completely.
It's just... I went into BMs head to see how he was thinking.

The reason we areon't lynching Rand today is because we are not assuming that there is only one role of each type, I think, right?
I dunno.

[Battle Mage]

it was pretty unlikely that BOTH of them were lying, thus i knew we had multiple criminologists.

To be honest, I think we've been pushing BM around a lot. He defended scum, and badly at that, yesterdfay, but he had a reason to,he had the same role.

Skruffs: I don't see how BM defending someone who had the same role would make him not scum. At that time, BM had no way of knowing there would be multiple criminologists running around.

I'm currently reviewing the case against SJ, but I'll probably wait for the replacement to say something else before I post it.

[Skruffs]

I guess that is as much as weare going to get from Jah. Thanks for the contribution.

*looks at his list, putting a ? next to JAH*
1983, you're next. Gird your loins.

[Battle Mage]

Analysis of Kison

Kison starts the game reasonably, though he notably vote hops a fair bit.

This post is to his credit:

I'm really not in favor of starting yet another wagon, but Lalmtreasteek's logic gushes with seeping red blood.

FoS Lalmtreasteek

As it was made before any votes were made upon Lalm.
However its only AFTER Lalm starts getting a couple votes that Kison moves in:

Vote : Lalmtreasteek

Modkills? Are you kidding me?

For what is a pretty weak reason imo.
At this point we get a mini-argument between Lalm and Kison. Lalm seems pretty annoyed at Kison, whereas Lalms reaction to the other voters was less dramatic. Possibly angry about being bussed.
Then Kison confirms his vote, despite little happening since it was made.

A bit later, we have this:

If Lalm comes up scum, BM is the play tomorrow without a doubt.

This strikes me as INTENSELY scummy. Kison as protown would never make such ridiculous assumptions.

In the next post, Lalm finally cottons on, and tries to distance himself from Kison:

Don't listen to Kison either he is way scummier than Battle Mage

Again Kison tries to plan the lynch for the next day:

However, my point against Battle Mage is more that

if

Lalm comes up scum, Battle Mage is almost definitely scum.

Attempts to get testimony from the lynch-victim. Notice how sure he seems to be that Lalm is scum:

Question, Lalm. Let's say, theoretically, that you do die and come up scum. Would you, in our shoes, then think that Battle Mage is scum for his die-hard defense for you? That is my perspective.

Lalm claims scum. Note the strange choice of smiley as he wishes his scumbuddy luck:

Thanks for the game everybody. And goooo mafia, hope my partner can win!

Seems to reflect his anger at being bussed. Of course, this doesnt necessarily mean Kison, but it definitely implies that scum were on his wagon.

Anyone else get the feeling of resentment towards the vig in this post?:

now that Battle Mage

ironically

wound up having that same role.

It should also be noted that Kison made several other posts of this nature, which were deleted in the crash.
He certainly seemed upset that his target for easy lynch today had gone...

So, thats basically the case against Kison. In my reread, i also picked up on some other scummy things. SV looks less scummy to me, while Fircoal looks damn scummy, in light of his persistant "have we lynched yet?" posts, as was Scotmany.

IGMEOY: Skruffs

LoS: Kison
Scotmany
Fircoal
Skruffs

I reckon 2 of these 4 are scum-with Kison as significantly the most likely.
If you want more detailed reasons for the others, ill work on that later. In the meantime, Kison is still definitely the play for today.

BM

[scotmany12]

I'm not seeing your case on Kison. I don't think modkills was a weak reason to vote for lalm, not to mention lalm acted extremely scummy afterwards. I think everyone was sure that lalm was scum, except for BM1. Basically everyone, including myself, was ready to lynch you the next day if the vig did not take care of you. Yeah, you are probably right about scum being on his wagon, but that does not just incriminate kison. there was 10(I believe) other people on that wagon.

Thanks for the long post though. I would like to see your suspicions on the other 4 players. It doesn't have to be as long as the last post. A few sentences for each should be fine.

[Skruffs]

I thank you BM for the post on Kison, finally. I am curious why you are so suspicious of me, though? I am happy with you having your eye on me, because
I am a very protown player making moves that I think benefti the town at the expense of myself. I started off in this game with asking Lalms what his vote on scotmany was. do you think I would start off in a replacement game bussing a fellow scum? would be more likely I would be protecting scotmany. Unles you think scot and lalms were both scum buddies.

[Battle Mage]

i have no idea what you are getting at. As far as i can see, your behaviour during this game has been very scummy throughout. The only reason i dont have my vote on you is because i felt your arguments against Lalm seemed genuine.
As for Scot, i do think he is potential scum, though why you find this so ridiculous im not sure.
BM

I thank you BM for the post on Kison, finally. I am curious why you are so suspicious of me, though? I am happy with you having your eye on me, because
I am a very protown player making moves that I think benefti the town at the expense of myself. I started off in this game with asking Lalms what his vote on scotmany was. do you think I would start off in a replacement game bussing a fellow scum? would be more likely I would be protecting scotmany. Unles you think scot and lalms were both scum buddies.

[scotmany12]

I never said I found it ridiculous. I'm just saying I think your arguments are falwed and that I don't view him as scum. That's all.

[Battle Mage]

i wasnt talking to you, i was talking to Skruffs. dont get a bee on your bonnet lol

I never said I found it ridiculous. I'm just saying I think your arguments are falwed and that I don't view him as scum. That's all.

[scotmany12]

Apologies, though you were talking to me.

[Battle Mage]

no i wasnt-though i was partially talking ABOUT you.

Apologies, though you were talking to me.

[scotmany12]

Damn it, that should have been thought. Stupid typos.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Don't worry everyone with a smidgen or more of common sense knew what you meant, scotmany. BM doesn't have that.

[Kison]

Hahah

[jah8127]

not sure about rand dont really have a opinion on bm dont really know

[Battle Mage]

bravo MoS. Its to your credit that you can still find ever more imaginative ways of being detrimental to the game.

Don't worry everyone with a smidgen or more of common sense knew what you meant, scotmany. BM doesn't have that.

[Skruffs]

JAH - take a guess. This is a game of more than just saying "Dunno, w/e"

[spectrumvoid]

Thanks for posting the case on kison. Bit busy now with some personal stuff, look through it later.

[Jalyn]

*Sigh* I don't think we're going to get much out of jah. It's not like he could explain SJ's comment (or Lalmstreateek's, for that matter) even if it is innocent.

For the moment, I'm going to file it under "inexplicable" and "watch the replacement."

In the meantime, I'm going to

unvote, vote ac1983fan

yet again. (For all the reasons that I've previously stated.

BM, interesting read on Kison. It seems to me that he was pretty much in line with the town with most of the reactions that you've noted though.

[Skruffs]

Vote : 1983

How's it going dude?
*pressure*

[Battle Mage]

i agree with you here. thats the big problem im having with this game. Too many people acting far too scummy. Im finding it difficult to pick out the sly scum from the unaware townies. Kison however, is someone i feel nearly certain to be a member of the former.
BM

*Sigh* I don't think we're going to get much out of jah. It's not like he could explain SJ's comment (or Lalmstreateek's, for that matter) even if it is innocent.

For the moment, I'm going to file it under "inexplicable" and "watch the replacement."

In the meantime, I'm going to

unvote, vote ac1983fan

yet again. (For all the reasons that I've previously stated.

BM, interesting read on Kison. It seems to me that he was pretty much in line with the town with most of the reactions that you've noted though.

[Skruffs]

I don't know if this will help, BM. Maybe you should (privately) make a list of people that you are at least are pretty sure are town?

[ac1983fan]

what have I done that's scummy?