MUNSCM - Abandoned

[the silent speaker]

Point of information directed at the speaker:

We have already been told that there are exactly three members of the Axis of evil. Not four, and not two except inasmuch as there are two on the way to being three. Five is right out.
As such, if there is an evil permanent member, there are

two

evil temporary members -- another 1/5 chance, and we need to find the permanent member

first

. That is the task that "widening the net" makes harder -- finding the permanent member, if such exists. Also consider that where the weapons inspectors go, so go the MABMs.

I find it absolutely impossible for there to be 2 axis of evil nations with veto power because then the axis of evil would be almost impossible. That is why i have been fighting the idea of even 1 evil veto nation.

This delegate is confused. Since two is impossible, you feel we should ignore the possibility that there is one?
This delegate also refers you to his turn on the Speakers' List

supra

, the section titled "On the fitness of Romania for nuclear strike", and requests that you comment on the opinions expressed therein.

[ZONEACE]

I am through fighting this hopeless cause. No matter what i sau, you will find some fault with it. All i can say is that while destroying romania will increase future attempts to find axis members (my death will make it 3/14). So do what you will, i obviously can not change the opinion of some of you no matter what i do.

the delgate from romania steps down.

[cuban smoker]

Thank you delegate from Romania, I know call on the next delegate on the speaker-s list, the United Kingdom.

[PolarBoy]

Actually as it turns out the United Kingdom has very little of relevance to say at this time. One should note that the delegate from Romania's suggestion of including the whole council in our search gives us a guaranteed 1/5 chance of locating Axis members, and searching only non-empowered nations give us either a 1/5 or 3/10 chance of locating them, whereas searching only empowered nations may give us no chance of locating the axis. Insofar as that is true, the Romanian delegates plan has merit. This, of course is assuming that the danger of an empowered axis member is outweighed by said merit.

The delegate from the United Kingdom would also like the council to consider potentially ammending MUNSCM 003 conditionally based on the alignment of whatever nation is the target of a nuclear strike today, taking into consideration that MUNSCM 003 was devised with the assumption of no information.

[the silent speaker]

Benin

Moves to Shelve MUNSCM 007

. It is the belief of this delegate that with the end of the Speakers' List reached and apparently no one immediately inclined to ask points of information from the current speaker, the next order of business will be to vote on the resolution; and it is the opinion of this delegate that voting on the resolution will be potentially disastrous without measures in place to prevent the Axis from exercising a hypothetical veto if and only if Romania is one of their own. Therefore, the wisest course of action would seem to be to put MUNSCM 007 aside until 008 and 009 have been discussed and voted on, and only then to determine Romania's fate. This requires a shelf motion.

[ZONEACE]

the delgate from Romania

seconds the motion

( that is if a second is nescisary)

[Dasquian]

The delegate from France

votes in favour

of the motion to shelve debate.

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: In favor

[shadyforce]

Votes: In favour

also.

[mathcam]

Vote: In favour

Cam

[cuban smoker]

Thank you delegate from Beni, your motion is in order. We require a speaker against this motion, since it is non-trivial.

Delegates, please continue voting on the motion, but I also call on a delegate who wishes to speak against the motion to shelve to do so immediately.

[massive]

The delegate from the Phillipines will speak against the motion to shelve debate. The Phillipines is unsure as to why the council cannot resolve this issue now. Proposals 008 and 009 have absolutely nothing in the wording or titling to indicate their intent, and even so, are completely unrelated to MUNSCM 007. The delegate urges the council to remember that they are free to pass and change resolutions as they see fit, and that ONLY the motion to adjourn causes passed resolutions to be enacted.

Please, let's not allow this important resolution to be unresolved. We believe that the delegate from Benin is acting in good faith, but cannot see how shelving this resolution helps progress.

[cuban smoker]

To clarify on an unclear point, a delegate may change their vote at any time prior to enough votes being received to decide on the outcome of a motion, ammendment or resolution, especially if new information has been brought to light in an orderly fashion. For instance, anyone who has already voted may change their vote if they feel the delegate speaking against the motion has made some good points.

[PolarBoy]

United Kingdom

votes in favor

of shelving debate on MUNSCM 007.

[massive]

The Phillipines

votes against

shelving debate on MUNSCM 007.

[ZONEACE]

Romania

votes in favor

of the motion to shelve.

[melchizedek]

Pakistan

Votes in favor

[Talitha]

vote: in favour

[the silent speaker]

I believe that does it. Let's hear The China Plan.

[Flying Dutchman]

I believe that does it. Let's hear The China Plan.

I withdrew my resolution, as I have nothing new to add, because the 3 major points (nuking, investigating, MABM), are solved.

[cuban smoker]

Resolution 007 has been shelved.

Resolution 008, the China Plan, has been withdrawn by the submitter. We now move onto the only resolution on the Agenda, Resolution 009 - Oddsmaking.

I call upon the submitter, Benin, to submit their resolution.

[the silent speaker]

My resolution

would

have to come up less than a week before Passover. This delegate alerts the Security Council that until the 14th or so posts may not come as frequently as its members would like and begs their indulgence. Actually, this could turn out convenient, since I cannot be first on the Speakers' List anyway.

MUNSCM 009: Oddsmaking

Noting

that there is at most one nation among the permanent members of the Security Council in the Axis of Evil and may well be none;

Observing

that our odds of striking scum are therefore either equal or far better by focusing on the non-permanent members;

Acknowledging that if there is an evil permanent member then we cannot lynch evil non-permanent members;

1.

Restricts

consideration of countries to be targeted by UN nuclear weapons to the non-permanent members of the Security Council until further notice;

2.

Removes

permanent members of the Security Council's power of veto over resolutions concerning annihilation of specific countries, also until further notice.

-- submitted by the delegate from Benin, who now steps down.

[mathcam]

I would like to speak in favour of this proposal, under the assumption that the first clause in the proposal is non-binding to the delegates ("Removes" is certainly binding...is "restricts"? If it's binding, I withdraw my support. There is no reason to prohibit the town from doing anything...we only weaken our position).

As for what I presume to be the only binding clause in the proposal:

Though I disagree with the claim that there at most one nation among the permanent members of the Security Council also in the axis of evil, I see no harm in removing their ability to veto resolution concerning specific countries. There are no roles in this game that would/should give one member's opinion any more weight than any others. I suspect that even (pro-town) nations with the veto power will accept this proposal...the power they gain with the veto is far outweighed by the prospective harm caused by an evil veto-empowered nation havinh the potential to veto resolutions of this type.

- Germany

[the silent speaker]

Point of information directed at the speaker:

Is it your opinion that there are or might be two evil veto powers? If so, why?

Point of information directed at the chair:

Do the "until further notice" clauses have the intended effect of creating a standing barrier that will nonetheless not be too hard to remove should the town deem it necessary, or do they effectively do nothing, or have I created giant lizards rampaging in downtown Tokyo? Especially, what is to be considered "further notice"?

[Flying Dutchman]

Point of information directed at the speaker:

Do you realise that, with the current voting procedures, 2 pro-town veto countries can avoid the nuking of any pro-town country, but that you are removing this safety with your resolution?