Mafia 62: Suspicion in Sicily - Game over!

[Mr. Flay]

First Vote Count of Day Four:

Rand Althor - 2 (Yosarian2, Ancalagon)

AlexPaoletti - 1 (Panzerjager)

Not voting - 5 (Cubsfan4ever, scotmany12, Rand Althor, Raffles, AlexPaoletti)

With eight left alive, five votes will lynch.

[scotmany12]

I see that me and yos only have one person doing one of us. I'm guessing that you will be doing an analysis on me and yos so there are 2 analysis for every player, that is if everyone follows this.

Anyways, I'll try to get one done tonight or tomorrow. No promises though.

[scotmany12]

EBWOP

In you, I mean raffles.

[PJ.]

Ancalagon: I feel he could go either way. His only townie point is that he was against Hollywoody on the lynching of DP, oh and he also fell first on the TS wagon

He jumped on cubs late and defended DP after everyone had decided to defend him. Now falls under the "3rd on the bandwagon" rule. He was 3rd both times on rand and has almost been taking direct orders from Yosarian. Very rarely displays original idea.

Cubsfan: Probably lurking scum seeing he disappeared after he became outdone by Toaster Strudle. Most of his post came early day 1 and scarcly post in day 2. He posted today to tell Raffles he was weird. Post before that one was "Server error sucks." Post before that was "how did 3 deaths occur". You get the picture, He has done nothing, other then act scummy day 1.

[Raffles]

Thanks

[AlexPaoletti]

Hey, finals start tomorrow so I haven't been on much the past couple days. Expect an analysis tomorrow.

[PJ.]

thanks to who raffles? And do you need me to elaborate more on my analysis?

[Raffles]

Only if you want to. Do how much ever you feel is appropriate.

[AlexPaoletti]

Ahh I might have to get to the analysis tomorrow or the next day!

Are we just randomly paired to people, or is this supposed to be based on voting patterns and what we've said?

And by the way, wish me luck on Calculus!

[Raffles]

Have fun, I hate calculus.

Anyone else's analysis coming or what?

Mod, please please please don't set the deadline...

[scotmany12]

Sorry, been set back a little bit. I'll get both of mine done tomorrow. Who, if when, do you plan on doing an analysis on?

[Raffles]

I'm going to do analysis on the scummy ones once everyone has posted.

[Rand Althor]

Alright after I catch up with some other games I will do a scum check of all players

[Rand Althor]

Well I have done a reread through half the town (other coming tomorrow)
Cubsfan, and Scotmany both seem like good scum canidates, though I do find Cubsfan worst early game and belive he is the best choice today

Reasons
1)Not many posts that are helpful
2)He is defently playing the pity me defence

well, if everyone is all ready to string me up and watch me bleed slowly to death on page four I do feel I ought to get at least a defense put up. I'm not quite sure what the case is against me, something about me being "suspicious" and "omgus" for voting for what's his face for the random ass third vote on page two.

If someone (preferably an intelligent player such as Dragon Phoenix) would care to detail the arguments against me, I would like to take the liberty of refuting them.

I don't really it's fair to lynch me because you think I'm an idiot or something.

3) He seems to be bandwagoning here

Unvote: Panzerjager

Vote: ToasterStrudel

her earlier claims as detailed by many others strike me as odd, I'm not buying that group suggested by hollywoody and see this as a better lead

He is not very helpful and is very scummy.

[Raffles]

Rand Althor could you do my assignment as well please. It would really help thanx.

[Cubsfan4ever]

that is awful vague

[AlexPaoletti]

Analysis of Cubsfan4ever

[Note: any unnamed quote in this analysis comes from cubsfan]


Cubsfan starts the game off on a very suspicious foot:

Vote: Panzerjager cuz of the random third vote.

Now at this point in the game, we are very much in the random vote stage. Trying to defend his vote like this is extremely suspicious.

That is wonderful BS, but look at Cubs fan, he put a third on me for putting a third on rand and justfied it with nonother then "he put a third vote on rand." To me that is far more scummy then N9V for voting me. N9V just lied. Unvote, Vote: CubsFan

you were just too happy to jump on a completely random wagon, which doesn't really make sense. It's nothing major but it makes you look a bit shady.

Here cubsfan uses the same illogical (and scum-suggesting) argument.


Soon after, focus switches to ToasterStrudel, and later switches to the big Hollywoody, DP, Primate, etc. argument. When focus switches off of him, cubsfan waits a week before posting anything, and simply puts a vote on TS. [NOTE: The fact that he voted for TS when the focus was on everyone else could possibly mean one of two things. A: Cubsfan realized he hadn't been active, possibly prodded, and put a vote on the person with the most votes. B: One might argue that a better bandwagon for scum would deal with the current issues. Perhaps he really was convinced, and had just been inactive (not lurking), so he put his vote on TS. I feel it's most likely the former.]


Panzer notices the odd timing of cubs' vote, and puts a vote on him. What brilliant argument does cubsfan bring us?

you're so damn cocky

Ahhh. Okay. Didn't look at it that way. *Sarcasm*


When asked if that was all he had to say, cubsfan responds as follows:

um, it is until you can explain what the hell you meant by "that post screams scum" onto of my "already scummyness".

First of all, Cubs is a little confused here. It was Anglacon that asked "is that all you have to say?" but it was Panzer that laid down these accusations and the vote. These things that Cubs was referencing were in Panzer's FoS post. When Panzer puts the vote on him, he did indeed give a short explanation. It is understandable that Cubsfan wants elaboration, but he should definitely give

some

defense. And his attitude seems to be an attempt to make it personal and gather sympathy, which is a common theme with Cubs. Lucky for him, this is never addressed, and we soon see the end of Day 1. [NOTE: Possible suspicion on Panzer. He simply ignores Cubsfan's request for elaboration and changes his vote to kinkster.]


Unless I missed something, Cubsfan makes

no posts

on Day 2.


Let's look at Day 3:

I wonder how three deaths occured. If there are two mafia groups and a SK we are pretty screwed.

well that server thing fucks things up

That's all he gave us. Day 3 was pretty weak for most people.


Today we have:

well that's a weird strategy Raffles

that is awful vague

Again, not very helpful. Are we going to get an analysis from you cubs?


All-in-all, my analysis of cubs goes like this: During Day 1, he was very scummy. For the remainder of the game, he was largely inactive. Whether this latter activity was lurking or laziness does not really matter, because he is left in the scum side of the spectrum regardless.



Okay, that's all I have for today, sorry. Expect my analysis on Yosarian tomorrow.

[scotmany12]

Just looking over raffles posts, I don't particularly find him scummy. I don't particularly like his play in the early game, with the bandwagon, and I found his defense lackluster, but besides that, I see nothing wrong with him.

One thing that gets at me is DP's suspicion of raffles. The thing that makes me believe that raffles is town is that I'm almost guaranteeing that DP investigated raffles night 1, and he did not push for a lynch day 2(these days might be off by a day or so). Makes me believe that he got an innocent on raffles, or in this case that he does not use guns.

Overall, I don't think raffles is scum. I'll do a more in depth one of these tomorrow, and try to get the other one done as well.

[Cubsfan4ever]

day 2 was such a quick day

[scotmany12]

With raffles, there really isn't anything else I want to say. I really just glanced over his posts, not really analyzing them that much. If you want more then I guess I will analyze his whole play so far.

As for RA, there isn't much on him. He has been lurking most of the game, which I don't think warrants enough for a lynch. Lynching lurkers is fine for a deadline lynch, but I dislike straight out lurking them. One other things that I found intriguing was him hammer on Kinkster, and for a lackluster reason as well. So yeah, I guess he could be scum, but not entirely sure about him due to his lack of interest as it seems.

[AlexPaoletti]

Do we know how active he is in other games?

[AlexPaoletti]

Analysis of Yosarian2

[Note: any unnamed quote in this analysis comes from Yos]
[Note: This analysis contains less quoting because Yosarian tends to make bigger posts, so I do more summarization. It's much easier to directly quote Cubsfan.]


Yosarian's first vote is on Rand Althor:

Random voting huh, time to zone out till pg.4 or so.

vote:Rand Althor

Seems legit to me. That does have a bit of a scummy ring.


Then the kinkster fun begins, lol.

You started without waiting for me? How rude.

Anyway, let's put a threesome at three votes.

Vote Cubsfan4ever

dont see the point in ure vote at all whats point in evening things up seems like a scum thing to do adding some protection to 1 of your scumy friends

unvote

vote dragon pheonix

Responding to this, Yosarian puts a vote on Kinkster, and when asked why, he responds:

Anyway, DP pretty clearly just added the third vote on for the sake of doing so, as part of a semi-random reaction getting bandwagoning pattern of the type most people have been doing this game, and he wasn't really putting anyone at risk or anything by doing so. Kinkster's reaction to his vote seems a little off to me.

This seems fine to me. I think Kinkster really messed us all up. His poor writing always made him sound mad and stuff... I think it's a legit vote.


For a little while we see Yosarian making some posts asking for clarification, playing devil's advocate, etc. Nothing big, but not lurking at all either. Stays townie in my book.


Without bothering to quote, the game starts to focus on this discussion of what defines "acting town" and whether or not we should lynch people for "unhelpfullness" versus observed scumminess, what makes a good scumtell, etc. Yosarian makes some significant contributions to the discussion, saying that it does make sense that we follow similar scumtells from game to game and that townies should do their best to make the most contributions. This isn't a tell either way I don't think, just thought I'd share this part of Yos's game.


Here we have a nice long post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 625#544625
Just previous, a few people had been commenting on and quoting heavily Hollywoody's logic. Yosarian follows suit, but puts a vote on him where other people had just FoS'd. Don't really know what to conclude from that; probably nothing.


Hollywoody then abandons many of his earlier arguments, and focuses on the fact that certain players appear to be in collusion. Yosarian notes this, seems to be in partial agreement with certain points, and puts a FoS on DP. Seems pretty town to me... not blatantly picking on one person. Or perhaps the weakness to stand ground and being willing to always move with the swings of the game is a scumtell here? Possibly, though I think it's the former. He does indeed stay "against" Hollywoody, just recognizes certain points.


After a little while, as the Kinkster case starts moving and we're facing a deadline, we get this:

Eh. The case against kinkster isn't all that strong, but at the moment I'd rather lynch him then see a deadlilne no-lynch.

unvote

vote:kinkster

This is perfectly reasonable to me, as I commented in-game.


We soon see the conclusion of Day 1 with the death of Kinkster.


In Day 2 Yos comments that lynching TS might not be bad

Hm. TS might not be a bad wagon; I notice Jalyn didn't mention him at all, which is unusual as TS did get a good deal of attention yesterday, and one scum will sometimes totally ignore a bandwagon on his partner rather then join it or defend

and follows it with a vote after a little while

Really not liking TS's recent behavior.

vote:TS

and then follows with a more detailed explaination
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 591#568591
I was convinced TS was scum, so naturally I don't find Yos's actions here scummy. Good reasoning, and no tone of scumminess that I'm sensing.


We soon see the end of Day 2. Another incorrect lynch.


Early in Day 3 he votes me based on his Raffles' proposed evidence against me.

Yeah, reading Alex's posts, I can agree with that; he hasn't really contributed much, and basically everyone he did attack turned out to be town. vote:Alex, at least as a starting point for the day.

In my defense, I quoted him on the "basically everyone he did attack turned out to be down" saying that that was poor evidence. What I only realized now is that he did vote for both townies that were lynched. That's a

little

scummy to me. Not that the people he voted were town, but the hypocrisy in the statement. But from what I've seen of Yos, I might be looking to far into it.


After a little while he puts his vote on Rand, who is being seen as lurky in possibly scummy. He then gets into a discussion with Raffles about the fact that we should try to lynch someone, and though there are other lurkers, Rand seems the best candidate and already has votes.


Then we see N9V get very defensive, and Yos points out the fact that he is voting in other games. A number of people switch their vote to N9V, including Yos.

Well, to make sure we have someone to lynch at deadline, unvote, vote:n9v. Gotta say I don't like Rand's excuse any better then I liked N9V's excuse, though.

Pretty soon, we see the end of N9V.


In the beginning of Day 4 he starts off with a vote back on Rand.

Might as well start out with a

vote:rand althor

, we should have lynched him yesterday.

Makes sense, very consistent with his earlier play.


He then makes his analysis on scotmany, and that's what we have so far.


All-in-all, I'm feeling pretty well about Yosarian2. He did vote everyone off that was town, but that's not really all that surprising; we all made mistakes in judgment there. His reasoning seems to be consistent and logical, and he made a number of unmentioned posts asking for simple questions and clarification... very helpful to the town. Definitely close to the bottom of my scum suspect list (which I don't really have, but if I made one, he'd be near the bottom).

[Rand Althor]

AP-Lurking somewhat, a few bandwagonings, but alot of his posts are logical.

Jayln, I have to agree with you in saying that Raffles' logic was faulty. However, I think it is because he misinterpreted what N9V was saying, thinking that N9V was trying to say that it's scummy joining a bandwagon late... that's the way I first interpreted it. I still think N9V sounds scummy, because that is such an odd criteria he uses to make his vote. It sounds to me like he wanted to vote Panzer and made up a random reason to justify it.

Regardless, my vote is sticking with Toaster Strudel, but I would definitely vote ~N9V~ before Raffles.

I really don't like this post. Other than that he seems townish

[Ancalagon]

Can we just lynch RA? He hasn't responded to any of my arguments.

Raffles seems townie to me. I you want, I could do more analysis.

[PJ.]

FoS:Ancalgon