Mafia 62: Suspicion in Sicily - Game over!

[Raffles]

Still awaiting

Yos: Panzer
Cusfan: Alex, Ancalgon
Rand Al: Panzer, Ancalgon
Ancalgon: Raffles

[Yosarian2]

Sorry about that. I kind of forgot about this game for a few days. Give me a second, I'll analyse panzer.

[Yosarian2]

Panzer:

I'm going to preface this with mentioning that Panzer always, inevitably, looks scummy to me, no matter what his role is, so take my analysis with a grain of salt.

Observation 1, based on early game:

Unvote, Vote: Rand Althor

Umm, it's ten to lynch. A third vote means absolutly nothing. It's a random wagon, man.

Raffles yelled bandwagon and placed vote 2. I placed vote 3 and became the bad guy. Two people jumped my wagon.

This is just worth noting because I get a strong feeling that Panzer and Rand are not scum together. So, if Rand turns out to be scum, Panzer is probably not his partner, and vice versa. Observation for later.

That is wonderful BS, but look at Cubs fan, he put a third on me for putting a third on rand and justfied it with nonother then "he put a third vote on rand." To me that is far more scummy then N9V for voting me. N9V just lied.

Unvote, Vote: CubsFan

OMGUS vote, basically.

He then goes on to defend his Cubs vote and defend his random vote for quite a while, making random 1 line posts doing that. The next post of his that wasn't a defensive post was this

Ancalagon, why would you vote Twito randomily. I believe we narrowed random voting down to 3 people, so can you please, if you can't find an opinion in the things that have already happened, randomly vote those three.

Same goes to Phoebus.

I agree kill cubs then watch kinkster be further incriminated.

Which is just so odd, and at least somewhat scummy. Trying to "narrow down" who people are going to "random vote" for? As John Stewert would say, Whaaaaaa? This post just feels like a really wierd way to try to steer conversation, although I can't really imagine what he was trying to do.

And then he goes for trying to tell people to "random vote" either Cubs, N9V or Kinkster to claiming that there are legitimate reasons to vote for them...

Both, N9V and Cubsfan have had points brought against them, decent ones might I add, and I believe that one those two are scum. On top of that, if cubs turns out scum, in turn Kinkster is probabyly scum. It would lead to a scum catching chain reaction. This is why I feel that these three should be the ones being voted because they are most likely scum at this point.

...yeah. His argument against cubs always felt pretty wifom to me ("It's very scummy for you to put a third vote on me for putting a third vote on someone else! Your third vote is so scummy, because mine wasn't!"), and he never actually gave an argument against N9V.

FoS: TS

I toyyed with this. That shows great balls and leads me into WIFOM land. Why would scum do exactly what a guy is on 6 votes for? Why would town? Seems like a stupid gambit admitting so openly. Is he bad town or is he scum thinks we are dead set on cubs? Is he a town that thinks he can do what he damn well pleases because Cubs is at 6 votes? It isn't a nice place to be and warrants an FoS and it seems like it was designed to confuse the town. I'm giving this serious consideration of switching my vote, but I have just as much trouble calling him one as I do the other.

This is the first post that's actually made logical sense to me, but eh, it's also kinda wishy washy in a way that could be scummy.

He then goes on to speculate about Phoebus being a cop with a guilty on mole and then undoes it after he realized it was a day start. Those posts strike me as both bad logic and borderline scummy speculation.

He then jumps back to cubs without any new reasoning to speak of, then jumps to TS, then says he'd be happy with either a cubs or a TS lynch, all without any logic.

I think I mentioned before that panzer always looks scummy, so I'm having trouble deciding if this is normal panzer play or not, but I don't like it.

He the vote-hopps over to Phoebus, then back to cubsfan, then over to kinkster, all without giving any decent reasons for anything. (Notable: His kinkster vote was "for the sake of the English Language", because of a grammer error on kinkster's part. Geez.) The hops back to TS, then over to Hollywoody, still without any logic or reasoning or anything. A few more irrevelent posts, a FOS of Ancalgon with no reasoning, then votes back to TS for claiming vanillia. (Probably the first vote he's made all game that has a logical reason at all.)

Finally, at the end of yesterday, he followes me into voting first Rand, then follows me over to N9V. Today, he votes Alex, for no apparent reaons.

There are a lot of other one line posts in there, but they don't say very much.

About the best thing you can say for Panzer is that he's at least been fairly active. He's also been vote hopping pretty much all game, almost always for either no stated reason or for absolutly terrible reasons, and generally voting for good guys in the process. I really see no good reason to think he's pro-town at this point in time.

fos:panzer

[Rand Althor]

I need a fairly detailed player analysis from all of you. (Shameless copy of MoS's exercise)

Rand Al: Panzer, Alex

It was Panzer and Alex. Not Anc

[PJ.]

I'm just gonna nod my head at Yos because he thinks the doctor gave me a scumrole when I was born.

[Cubsfan4ever]

Alex and Anc are both cool I think. Unless they ever voted for me. Then they are not cool. Not cool at all.

[Mr. Flay]

Second Vote Count of Day Four:

Rand Althor - 2 (Yosarian2, Ancalagon)

AlexPaoletti - 1 (Panzerjager)

Not voting - 5 (Cubsfan4ever, scotmany12, Rand Althor, Raffles, AlexPaoletti)

With eight left alive, five votes will lynch.

[Raffles]

Cubsfan, could you give me more insight than summarizing two players into one line?

[PJ.]

Oh My God, Cubs is trying to lay low, what a surprise.

Unvote, Vote:Cubsfan

[AlexPaoletti]

Yeahhh,

Vote: Cubsfan4ever

[Ancalagon]

RA is the best choice for today! Not cubsfan!

[scotmany12]

This is how cubs plays guys. I'm not entirely sure he is scum because of it.

[Raffles]

This is ridiculous. Looking at the amount of townies dead, we must be nearing LyLo by now. (Although the vote counts tell us we are not lylo just yet, or we are on the right track).

[AlexPaoletti]

I'm sorry, but this

Alex and Anc are both cool I think. Unless they ever voted for me. Then they are not cool. Not cool at all.

is just horribly scummy. Pehaps he might be trying to make a joke? If so, it just shows that he's purposefully avoiding making any contribution to the game.

[Cubsfan4ever]

How is that scummy? Don't be vague now.

[PJ.]

you fail

[Yosarian2]

This is ridiculous. Looking at the amount of townies dead, we must be nearing LyLo by now. (Although the vote counts tell us we are not lylo just yet, or we are on the right track).

Hmm.

There were 18 people to start out the game with, right? It looks like we've got 2 killing groups here, so if we're dealing with a scum group and a SK, that's probably either 3 mafia 1 sk or 4 mafia 1 sk. There's 1 dead mafia member, so that could mean 2 or 3 scum left.

So yeah, we could very well be at lynch or lose.

I'm happy with either a rand lynch or a panzer lynch at this point, still leaning towards rand I think.

[Mr. Flay]

You know what

omertà

is, don't you? It's a code of silence and tacit approval of the criminal activity going on within your town. That silent endorsement allows La Cosa Nostra to flourish and take over, if nothing is done to stop it. Is that what you want here?

[/prod]

[Ancalagon]

Please everybody vote RA right now and rid the game of scum. Tomorrow we can lynch cubsfan.

[Raffles]

Please do not rush this until Saturday. I haven't read all the analysis yet, and I'm in my exam week so I really can't afford to. Meanwhile, others please feel free to analyze other people's analysis.

Still not recieved:
Same as the head of this page apart from Yos

[Ancalagon]

I'll get mine on you done sometime. I had to quit mid-analysis.

[PJ.]

This game has slowed to a almost halt.

[Yosarian2]

If people want to, like, play or something, that'd probably be a good thing.

[Raffles]

mass scum lurking?

[AlexPaoletti]

I don't know what to say... I put my vote on. If anyone wants to argue my logic, please, we could use some more activity. We could also use the rest of the analyses (sp?).