Mini 436 - Game over - Mafia wins with no casualties!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not saying your wrong, Top, but its a bit of a reach. Let's see what the others have to sat.

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Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 4 (DeathSauce, Miztef, Paradoxombie, VanDamien)
Snichkin 2 (StallingChamp, Ryan)
VanDamien 1 (Vollkan)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 1 (Snichkin)
Hurrikaty 1 (TopHat)

Not voting: Albert B. Rampage, darhken

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[DeathSauce]

Number one: ryan, DO NOT let Albert persuade you into making or denying ANY CLAIM WHATSOEVER. All you do is provide more information to the scum, who already have more information than the town.

TopHat, I have re-read Hurrikaty's and ryan's posts and I don't really agree with your conclusions. Not that ryan isn't a bit suspicious, and I would like to see more participation from Hurrikaty.

Oh, honestly I was just trying to break all the scum tells to make a point.

So you were suspicious of Snichkin for trying to make a point, and now you are doing the same thing? Or is it possible that you are trying to camouflage your earlier mistakes by saying it was all "to prove a point"?

[ryan]

Actually it felt more like TopHat was trying to get more "information" out there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Number one: ryan, DO NOT let Albert persuade you into making or denying ANY CLAIM WHATSOEVER. All you do is provide more information to the scum, who already have more information than the town.

TopHat, I have re-read Hurrikaty's and ryan's posts and I don't really agree with your conclusions. Not that ryan isn't a bit suspicious, and I would like to see more participation from Hurrikaty.

Oh, honestly I was just trying to break all the scum tells to make a point.

So you were suspicious of Snichkin for trying to make a point, and now you are doing the same thing? Or is it possible that you are trying to camouflage your earlier mistakes by saying it was all "to prove a point"?

*yawn*

I voted for him for proving a point from another game, while I myself voted to prove a point this game.

Now let me get to the point. A person can be pro-town and still give out all the tells. (band wagoning, saying so or so person is innocent without "if", claiming, etc.)

[Miztef]

I do not agree with tophat's post. It is possible that ryan/hurrikaty are mafia, but your evidence does not "confirm" it.

Albert is still my vote for now. I'm also gonna throw out there a

IGMEOY Tophat

[ryan]

Let me ask you this Miztef, is it possible that Tophat and Hurrikaty are mafia and he's trying to throw blame at both of us hoping a bandwagon will start on me? (risky yes, but still possible) Thoughts?

[Miztef]

Let me ask you this Miztef, is it possible that Tophat and Hurrikaty are mafia and he's trying to throw blame at both of us hoping a bandwagon will start on me? (risky yes, but still possible) Thoughts?

It's possible that any of the three of you are mafia. I severly dislike tophat's post about hurrikaty and you being mafia, and he is my "top" pick for scumminess between you three. I don't like hurrikaty's lack of posts, but I'm not gonna lynch her over it at this time at least. I am pretty much on the fence for you though, more info is needed to be more accurate.

Also, I really don't like albert's "proving a point antics" as an excuse for his scumtells, but it is possible, especially considering the excessive amount of bad play. That is why my vote sticks. (for now)

[vollkan]

Let me ask you this Miztef, is it possible that Tophat and Hurrikaty are mafia and he's trying to throw blame at both of us hoping a bandwagon will start on me? (risky yes, but still possible) Thoughts?

Yeah, it is possible. It is also possible you are mafia and trying to get them killed. It is also possible any of us could be mafia. The logic here isn't good in my opinion.

Basically, I find the whole Hurrikitty thing fairly meaningless: A) Most of what Ryan said was a rant on bandwagoning and B) It doesn't prove anything. The other thing I don't get, is that each person has disagreed fairly clearly, yet TopHat seemed damned sure they were scum. Something about the poor logic and quick, definite conclusion is odd but I will have to wait and see if something else comes up.

Also, even though Albert says a tell can be pro-town, I don't like his tactic which basically encouraged one of Ryan or Miztef to claim. I mean, he was proving a point, but doesn't it also just feed information to the mafia?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Take it as what it is. A tell.

Don't dig further, there is nothing beyond it. I'm as pro-town as they come.

[HurriKaty]

I wasn't defending lurking, I was just saying thats what I tend to do on Day 1.

[ryan]

Albert: After re-reading the thread this morning I'm still a little confused on post #85, it sounds awful scummy, can you explain your reasoning for throwing comments like that out there?

[vollkan]

Take it as what it is. A tell.

Don't dig further, there is nothing beyond it. I'm as pro-town as they come.

I just don't like this. Albert makes a massive statement (Ryan and Miztef are town), then gives no explanation other than that he is pro-town and not to dig into it. Albert may be pro-town and may have a good basis for his statement, but without reasoning it just seems suspicious.

[Lawrencelot]

I will prod darhken one last time, and look for a replacement if he doesn't respond.

[Miztef]

Take it as what it is. A tell.

Don't dig further, there is nothing beyond it. I'm as pro-town as they come.

I just don't like this. Albert makes a massive statement (Ryan and Miztef are town), then gives no explanation other than that he is pro-town and not to dig into it. Albert may be pro-town and may have a good basis for his statement, but without reasoning it just seems suspicious.

/agree

Albert's reasoning is plain invalid. You shouldn't make a scumtell on purpose for the point that people making scumtell's are not always scum. It forces everyone to think in WIFOM terms and that always causes confusion.

To me, this is a modified version of when LAL should be used. It's LACPTTPARPP. (Lynch all Crazy Trying To Prove A Ridiculous Point Players)

[vollkan]

Albert. Unless I get a very good explanation from you I am going to have to vote on the basis of LACPTTPARPP. I'd rather not put you at lynch -2 and risk losing a pro-town, which is why I will wait until you explain yourself.

[DeathSauce]

LACPTTPARPP

Ha! I like this theory. I am also going to start voting lurkers here pretty soon, we've got a few people that aren't contributing anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nah, I'm tired. No explanation until day 2 for you.

[VanDamien]

Nah, I'm tired. No explanation until day 2 for you.

Is this some attempt to stop a lynch on you because we're supposed to be oh so curious on what the explanation is?

[Miztef]

Nah, I'm tired. No explanation until day 2 for you.

This is a god awful defence, I /agree entirely with vanDamien's comment on this.

[vollkan]

Nah, I'm tired. No explanation until day 2 for you.

"god awful" pretty much sums it up. I don't want an explanation because we are curious and think it would be a novelty, I want one so that I can have a better idea as to whether or not you are scum. The fact that you keep dodging this question on the basis that you are "pro-town" really doesn't do much to redeem you.

Unvote, Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do whatever you please, believe what you will.

I will be the last one laughing.

[Miztef]

Do whatever you please, believe what you will.

I will be the last one laughing.

no matter what alignment you are, being lynched is bad. Hence, this does nothing but reinforce my suspicions. You will not be the last one laughing.... you'll be first one dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First one gone...and laughing

[DeathSauce]

Act like scum, get lynched. That's the way the game is played. Laugh all you want, ABR, but even if by some chance you are town, once we are shed of you it makes it easier for us to track down scum.

Your posts contain no logic, no explanations, no understanding of the game. You throw out seemingly random comments supporting individual players, but don't back them up with any reasoning. That gets us nowhere.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hopefully the scum WILL be found. Yep.

Maybe looking at my bandwagon, you will be able to discover who is mafia and who is not.

For now, you must unvote me if you think I'm pro-town.