Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Skruffs]

BM1, not who you are now. If I did know their name, I wouldn't share it, because I feel you would think that anyone who kills you for any reason is scum.

[Battle Mage]

ffs...

If you read my original request, you will note that i specifically stated DO NOT REVEAL THE NAME.
Also, when making that judgement about me, try and differentiate between me thinking they are scum, and me thinking they are a threat to the town. the latter is true.
However, my purpose was to confirm the logistics of your role. even now you are being evasive. answer the question, or you get my vote.
simple.
BM

BM1, not who you are now. If I did know their name, I wouldn't share it, because I feel you would think that anyone who kills you for any reason is scum.

[scotmany12]

I believe skruffs claim. Skruffs has been very protown in this game, though I don't really understand why he would claim. Has brought some discussion though. As of now, though, I honestly don't really know who to vote for, I think a reread is in order, which I will do tomorrow.

[Skruffs]

Wow, BM.
How do you think a tracker works? Think about what tracking means. Come to your own conclusion.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh I see, Jah is SJ. Sorry. I'll definatlely jump on that wagon if Jah continues to hide from the pressue.

Until then, add to my scum list:

vote DGB

, for nothing she's done, but because TheJive was scummy as hell.

Your vote is in direct and explosive contradiction with your previous post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 342#594342

[DrippingGoofball]

OK... I read. That took a while, so I'll write a short post for now.

I concur with BattleMage regarding Kison - even though my analysis of Kison's voting record, and scumpoint total was the lowest of anyone. My analysis might be faulty, or Lamesteak and Kison were successful at distancing... too succesful perhaps.

Today as well, I could vote "jah8127 (replacing Sailor Jerry who replaced Keys Myaths)" because he pinged other people's scumdar, and this concurs with my little scumpoint system - different reasons and methods, same scummy appearance. That's pretty damning.

I would also be willing to vote for Rand. But not today - giving him a chance to prove himself. Because of this .

Not sure what to think of Skruffs' uncalled for claim. It could go either way, scum or town, so that I will suspend judgment until there is more information, or even confirmation.

Since it's a toss-up against Kison and that jah81247516948 guy, I am going to wait for a votecount before voting or switching vote. Ideally, I'd like to see a close race between these two.

[Patrick]

Votecount for your consumption

Kison (3) -- Twito, Battle Mage, AlexPaoletti
jah8127 (5) -- Kison, Kilroy8675, ac1983fan, LFBProd, DrippingGoofball
DrippingGoofball (2) -- John, Lowell
ac1983fan (2) -- Jalyn, Skruffs
Fircoal (1) -- Mastermind of Sin

Not Voting: Rand Althor, jah8127, Scotmany, Fircoal, Spectrumvoid
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

OK!

unvote: jah186418646, vote Kison

This puts our two top contenders head to head, 4 votes each. For the record; I find these two players rather equally scummy. But we'll get more information for tomorrow if the race is close.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm not sure what to think of DGB's: let's put both at 4 strategy.

For the record, I do not like a kison lynch. This is because I am not seeing a strong case for kison. I've more-or-less already explained in my earlier 'why I think kison is not scum' post.

I guess it's time for me to put a vote on.

vote: jah1864

Mod

: Can we have some prods please?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not sure what to think of DGB's: let's put both at 4 strategy.

You must approve, because that's exactly what I did! I put them both at 4...

Now, after YOUR vote, Kison is at 4, and jah1564864 is at 5.

[DrippingGoofball]

OH I get it. Please ignore previous post, and slap me with wet noodles.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*slaps DGB with wet noodles*

[Mastermind of Sin]

GUys, at this point, I dont care if we random lynch, but let's do SOMETHING.
I'm a tracker,

I tracked someone to BM1

, but I don't think mafia or SK would kill BM1 when he's the obvious lynch the next day, so

I'm not going to reveal that person.

I think they are a vig.

Discuss.

i really dont understand the logic behind such a claim. you have revealed your role, and given insight into the identity of a potential vig.
However, its a bit late now.

Did you actually get a name of who it was that targetted BM 1?

(yes or no answer please)

(emphasis mine)

*facepalm*

[Battle Mage]

yes, im just confirming that he actually got an individuals name-rather than just the fact that 'someone' targetted me.
however, i really dont like his evasive behaviour, and generally unhelpful attitude. Its ringing alarm bells, hence id like him to fully confirm his role, so he cant change it later.

FOS: Skruffs

BM

GUys, at this point, I dont care if we random lynch, but let's do SOMETHING.
I'm a tracker,

I tracked someone to BM1

, but I don't think mafia or SK would kill BM1 when he's the obvious lynch the next day, so

I'm not going to reveal that person.

I think they are a vig.

Discuss.

i really dont understand the logic behind such a claim. you have revealed your role, and given insight into the identity of a potential vig.
However, its a bit late now.

Did you actually get a name of who it was that targetted BM 1?

(yes or no answer please)

(emphasis mine)

*facepalm*

[Patrick]

A couple of players haven't picked up their prods. I'm looking for replacements.

[LFBProd]

I would find it very funny if it turned out BM2 was the vig that killed BM 1. But that's just nonsensical postulation. More to the point, I do trust Skruffs' claim. I think it falls in line with how he's been playing the game so far. Also, BM2, Skruffs is not really being evasive, he answered your question when he claimed.

[Kison]

Nor is he unhelpful. In case you missed it, he was very helpful in pushing Lalm over the cliff yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

He did not answer with any degree of clarity. i didnt want Skruffs-scum to have opportunity to adjust his claim to suit his circumstances later on. it makes sense for the town to have a good idea of what their power roles can actually do.

Kison, that is 1 action. However, if Skruffs lynches a townie today, is he unhelpful? ofc not. Helpfulness should primarily be measured by how he verbally contributes to the town during the day.
BM

I would find it very funny if it turned out BM2 was the vig that killed BM 1. But that's just nonsensical postulation. More to the point, I do trust Skruffs' claim. I think it falls in line with how he's been playing the game so far. Also, BM2, Skruffs is not really being evasive, he answered your question when he claimed.

[LFBProd]

i really dont understand the logic behind such a claim. you have revealed your role, and given insight into the identity of a potential vig.
However, its a bit late now. Did you actually get a name of who it was that targetted BM 1? (yes or no answer please)

GUys, at this point, I dont care if we random lynch, but let's do SOMETHING.
I'm a tracker,

I tracked someone to BM1

, but I don't think mafia or SK would kill BM1 when he's the obvious lynch the next day, so I'm not going to reveal that person. I think they are a vig.

Discuss.

All you asked for was a yes or no answer. I don't know how much clearer he can make himself.

[Kison]

today, is he unhelpful? ofc not. Helpfulness should primarily be measured by how he verbally contributes to the town during the day.
BM

One action that gave us a rather hefty advantage, in comparison to Battle Mage The First's actions that got him, most likely, killed by our vigilante. And guess what? His actions

were

through verbal contributions. You're just bitter that he's verbally disagreeing with you.

[scotmany12]

BM, I'm beginning to think that you don't know what a tracker does. Of course he knows who targeted BM1, because that is the person that he tracked. Tracking does not mean you track someone and you know if they were targeted, tracking means you track someone and find out who they targeted that night. That is what a tracker does. So to answer your question, he does know you targeted BM1.

[Skruffs]

Correct. I know one out of possibly many people who targetted BM. No idea what their role is, adn thus, no reason to uot them. I can conceive it being one of many probably-pro-town roles. But I have No clue at all about what that person did, just where they went - which is - of course - BM1. NOT You, BM2. Don't make it a personal thing. Unelss of course as someone mentioned, you think I meant you, and you are scum, and that's why you are so nervous.

Sorry if the claim was uncalled for - I think it might end up not doing as much good as I hoped, but it's out there, and I am glad to see how people are reacting to it.

Yes, BM - I *do* have a name. Sorry for beating arou the bush. But you need to take off your blinders.

[AlexPaoletti]

Okay, BM is just getting too scummy. I don't think anyone else disbelieves Scruffs' claim, and BM is laying down very heavy accusations.

however, i really dont like his evasive behaviour, and generally unhelpful attitude. Its ringing alarm bells, hence id like him to fully confirm his role, so he cant change it later.

FOS: Skruffs

BM

He's obvoiusly not being evasive. There was miscommunication in the reading of posts, as well as the fact that he assumed everyone knew what a Tracker does. (NOTE: The link to the Wiki is at the top of the page.) I can't help but feel BM is doing his best to promote a false accusation.

Unvote | Vote: Battle Mage

Now, I do keep a strong suspicion on Kison. With the way BM is pusing a lynch for him, I highly doubt those two are mafia together. However, they might both be mafia of different families.. the slip from Lalm's confession makes the idea of multiple Mafias very possible.

That being said, I just want to let people know that I will switch my vote to Kison or jah if we need to for the lynch.

[Kison]

Now, I do keep a strong suspicion on Kison. With the way BM is pusing a lynch for him, I highly doubt those two are mafia together.

So, according to you, if Battle Mage The Second is scum, his push to lynch me today will strongly indicate that we are

not

mafia together, yet my pushing for a Lalm lynch yesterday strongly indicates that he and I

are

mafia together. The WIFOM in either argument is amazing. Moreover, the hypocrisy in what you're saying is so blatant that it almost hurts to read it.

Unvote

Vote : AlexPaoetti

[Rand Althor]

Just pointing out i'm still here.