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Guardian Mafia Scum
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Vel-Rahn Koon Virginia's Trump
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Everyone,
My son has given me his strep throat infection, so I'm a bit incapacitated. I'll try to get in here and make a real post asap, but for now all I want to do is sleep
Sorry guys,
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John stuck wiht bad english
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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Thesp Supersaint
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The premise of what you have written is absurd. Suppose I have seen, as I've played games through the years, that when someone says "rutabaga", then approximately 60% of the time, that player is scum. It's certainly not foolproof, but if this is my experience, it behooves me greatly to suspect anyone that says "rutabaga" that much more. (This is the principle of a "scum tell".) In my experience, I have seen things which are far more likely to be done by scum than by town, and I've seen some things which are far more likely to be done by town than scum. I draw on that experience to play, and I like to think I'm a better-than-average player for it. (Whether I actually am or not is another subject entirely.) You want to dismiss this useful tool all together.Raffles wrote:Scum-tells don't exist. Wiki testifies to this. Wiki tells you that tells should be taken as a guideline at best. And no one has updated mafia-tells until 2004. In my view, scum tells are so unreliable at catching a scum you might as well not use it. It's like a car that is almst guaranteed to break down on every journey it makes.
Then the best the town can do is to cooperate with each other until there comes a point the scums has to do something anti-town because it conflicts their interests too much. This is where rules of thumb like "LynchAllLiars" come from.
Your premise of scum hunting is fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons. If the best thing the town can do is cooperate, why should anyone vote for anyone? Why in the world would scum even try to act anti-town during the day? What in the world would it benefit them, since the town is already neutered in its ability to find scum (since scum tells are so unreliable we're random-lynchingat best)?
This is also to discount the enormous discussion on what actually is anti-town and what is not. I don't think you've even reached the place where you can discuss that. You have miserably failed in your endeavor here, and I suggest you seriously rethink how mafia is actually played. You'll find that tells do exist, even if they're not foolproof."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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mustafa15 Goon
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I agree with Thesp that this is total bs. If every mafia player was perfect, then this would be true, but people screw up plenty. Certainly, there is no such thing as a guaranteed scumtell, but there are certainly scumtells.Raffles wrote: Scum-tells don't exist. Wiki testifies to this. Wiki tells you that tells should be taken as a guideline at best. And no one has updated mafia-tells until 2004. In my view, scum tells are so unreliable at catching a scum you might as well not use it. It's like a car that is almst guaranteed to break down on every journey it makes.-
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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vote: paradoxombie
His reasons for voting Guardian were piggy-backed on other's reasons. He said they all blended together.
When pushed, the only one he put forth specifically was that being vocal is a scum tell (which conveniently clears himself since he has not been notably vocal), but says that reason is arguable.
He says his reasoning is pretty airtight (but the one point he elaborates on is arguable...) but his mind could be changed...
He also set up the "Whoops- he wasn't scum" Day 2 by saying he's "...not very certain you're scum..."
Too wishy-washy and fence-sitty of a vote for me.
His vote did move to Avinyl briefly, but I think that was when several people were starting to look towards Avi when he wasn't posting.-
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Guardian Mafia Scum
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In dramatic Thesp style:
Paradoxombie and Peter are scum. Gorckat and Occult are probably not. Thesp might be a good candidate for third scum. Mustafa might also. Right now I'm really comfortable with either a Peter or Paradox lynch, though.
I am not posting my thoughts on John 'til he responds.Do not lynch me.
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Raffles Mafia Zcum
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Whole basis of scum-tells are based around people making certain types of mistakes. I've seen plenty of people making scum-tells when they are town. And as much as you can blame this on individual, if the whole premisis of lynching someone is based on using scum-tells, then this is not a very efficient strategy, riddled with mislynches. Then the better strategy would be to make the conditions unfavourable to scums, by townies acting to conflict the scum's interest, until they fall off like a piece of scab.Woof!-
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Guardian Mafia Scum
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Sefer Goon
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Ninth official vote count:
Thesp(2): John, Raffles
Peter Venkman(2): Guardian, Avinyl
Guardian (2): Vryklan, Paradoxombie
John (2): Thesp, Peter Venkman
paradoxombie (1): gorckat
Avinyl (1): mustafa15
Not voting: Occult, Vel-Rahn Koon
12 alive, 7 to lynch.
I've noticed posting has slowed down. I've been trying to hold off until I found a replacement, but I'm going to place aDeadlinefor nine days from now. I'll do my best to have someone replace in by that time, and I my consider modkilling one or both if I haven't found replacements.[url=http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=419266]Sign up for theHeroes Mafia Mega at Grey Labyrinth[/url]-
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Thesp Supersaint
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This is the part of your argument that is wrong. Since it appears the rest of your argument is based upon his premise, I've essentially ignored the rest of your argument as inconsequential.Raffles wrote:Whole basis of scum-tells are based around people making certain types of mistakes.
Scum-tells are based upon scum doing things more often than townies doing things.They're not even necessarilymistakes, per se, it's simply an indication that the person who uses them are more likely to be scum. Suppose it was demonstrated that red-heads are 10 times more likely to have cancer, and you know this fact. Then, suppose you're put in a room and asked to identify the one person in the room who has cancer.Ceteris paribus, you should choose the redhead. It's much the same with scum-hunting - you look for things which you've seen scum as actually more likely to exhibit, and try to get them lynched, because they're actually more likely to be scum.
I'm really having a hard time seeing how and why you're arguing against what is at its heart a scientific principle."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Thesp Supersaint
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Also, while I'm happiest to see John swing, I will switch my vote to prevent a lynch of either myself or Guardian."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Guardian Mafia Scum
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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Sefer Goon
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pickemgenius replaces Guardian, effective immediately. I've chosen to replace Guardian instead of Vryklan because I feel it will disrupt discussion less (since Guardian has been active while Vryklan has not been part of discussion for some time).[url=http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=419266]Sign up for theHeroes Mafia Mega at Grey Labyrinth[/url]-
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pickemgenius Jack the Tripper
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reading 18 pages is so damn boring.
atleast about 3 solid hours of reading and its 4:35 a.m. (central)
I am in no hurry, like Guardian was.
Oh yea, I think I need a mandatory, Yo, hey everybody. So there.ShowRumpelstiltskin Grinder
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Thesp Supersaint
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Mod: Deadline extension request, please.Thanks!"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Sefer Goon
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If the deadline gets close and either I feel that town have increased their discussion enough to warrent an extension or I've gotten a replacement that will need more time in order to catch up then I will extend the deadline, but I don't see the need for an extension when it's still over a week away. If anyone sees a particular need for an extension at this point, feel free to post reasons here or PM me privately.[url=http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=419266]Sign up for theHeroes Mafia Mega at Grey Labyrinth[/url]-
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Occult Goon
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Sefer Goon
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CrashTextDummie replaces Vryklan, effective immediately. That brings us back up to full again!
I'll be prodding Avinyl since he hasn't posted in over a week. Let me know if you feel anyone else needs prodding (I'm inclined to wait til after the weekend is over before determining if John needs a prod).[url=http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=419266]Sign up for theHeroes Mafia Mega at Grey Labyrinth[/url]-
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CrashTextDummie Mafia Scum
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Hello, I'm here to replace.
I'll do a readthrough tonight and will be back with initial impressions later.[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia-
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CrashTextDummie Mafia Scum
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I want to lynch mustafa15 or Vel-Rahn Koon, preferably the former. A John lynch would be acceptable at deadline. Paradoxombie also has a better than average chance of being scum.
These are just my initial thoughts after a first readthrough. I'll have something more substantial after a reread.
unvote, vote: mustafa15
A couple of questions:
Vel-Rahn Koon - how many scum are in this game?
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pickemgenius Jack the Tripper
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Paradox, some of the things you've said have rubbed me the wrong way.
.Paradox wrote:I'm starting to go totally WIFOM. My reasons for voting Guardian are no different from any of yours
You are totally going WIFOM, nuff said.
IMO discussion=good.Paradox wrote:You've been extremely vocal, which is a pretty scumy tell for a fairly new player, imo.
If a new player wants to learn by being vocal, then how is it scummy?
I'm more inclined to vote pro-scum, and win.Paradox wrote:Im more inclined to vote pro-town and learn what I can from your death than vote for someone who barely posts and learn nothing whether they are scum or not
Don't ever settle in this game. You've already said you're going totally WIFOM.Paradox wrote:I'm not gonna learn much more today without going WIFOM. So I've settled on you
Guardian wrote: ebwop: thanks John and I agree, zombie please explain inyourown wordsyourreasons for your vote on me. I'm sure you have a new perspective on things.
Yet, you asked Thesp on his Guardian is flamingly town quote.Paradox wrote:Im not gonna point out individual situations, since they've all blended after 12 pages, so here's a more general explanation.
If you're whole game plan is your vote on me, and you've basically said so, that's just weird.
Guardian wrote:Do you have anything new to contribute, on me, or anyone in the game?Paradox wrote: no, nothing sigificant.
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