Mini 436 - Game over - Mafia wins with no casualties!

[vollkan]

I cross-posted with DeathSauce. Reading what he said made me wonder if the Psychopath powers (ABR's version or the official version) qualify as: "usual game mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Voting." seeing as on the wiki it defines the role-type as "other".

This makes my uneasiness with a lynch increase slightly, but I will wait and see what other people think of it.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 4 (DeathSauce, Paradoxombie, VanDamien, vollkan)
Snichkin 2 (StallingChamp, Ryan)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 1 (Snichkin)

Not voting 4: Albert B. Rampage, darhken, Miztef, Tophat

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey volkan man, let me explain some things that might have led you guys astray.

First of all, my role stated "Psychopath", so when I saw I was at -1, I said f* it I'll claim. I just went on the wiki as fast as I could, typed Psychopath and linked it to this thread. As for the experiment, it is a new role that is being tested, with me as the subject.

The mod, while conserving the name of the role, Psychopath, has made some interesting little changes. No longer does the first person voting, in this situation Deathsauce, dies. Instead, it is the person who hammers. I'm also a one-shot killing role capable of killing the night after I die. I've long considered to kill DeathSauce, but he doesn't interest me. In fact, he seems townie. A townie determined to get me killed, but an innocent townie nonetheless.

Now I may have overestimated my power, as some of you have said. And I did act a bit too cocky, with all that last one laughing line. But let me assure you all that I will try to NK the scummiest when I die.

I'm going with elimination and deduction. Since I don't think that Ryan, Miztef or DeathSauce are scum, they will be safe tonight if you decide to lynch me.

And yes, make of my "new role" to whatever advantage you can think of.

[DeathSauce]

I'm also a one-shot killing role capable of killing the night after I die.

Since I don't think that Ryan, Miztef or DeathSauce are scum, they will be safe tonight if you decide to lynch me.

Which is it? You kill the same night that you are lynched or you kill the night after? You contradict yourself.

This has added an unexpected wrinkle. For now I will

unvote

I am torn on whether to vote for Snichkin or Stalling Champ for not participating. But Stalling Champ has slightly more content to his (few) posts.

Vote Snichkin

Mod, please prod Snichkin and Stalling Champ, and what is the status of darhken?

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I am lynched, I die during the day, and the night that comes after the day I died, I NK someone before disappearing in the abyss. Succinct enough ?

I'm going to have to ask for a prod on Darhken too, what has he done, like one post ?

[DeathSauce]

Yes, thank you. That does make sense.

[Lawrencelot]

I asked for a replacement for darhken in the replacement list. Since it is still day 1, it shouldn't be too hard to find one. I will not prod Snichkin yet, check out his latest posts. Same counts for StallingChamp.

[ryan]

Just a question to the four not voting (or haven't voted as of this post) Albert B. Rampage, darhken, Miztef, Tophat. Are you willing to keep a no vote OR do you have somebody picked out just looking for more evidence on who's scum?

[VanDamien]

If that role is in this game, it is the most abhorrent, broken, anti-town role I have ever heard of. There's twelve of us, right? So the ratio is most likely 9:3. With a lynch of that role, there's absolutely the potential to be at 5:3 at the start of day 2, and that's without a SK. I simply do not believe it. I'll

unvote

, and wait for the votes to pile on. I am convinced enough to do the hammering on this one.

[ryan]

VanDamien: Are you saying if Albert has votes piled on him and needs one to lynch you'd do it? OR are you happier to so a "no lynch" on Day 1? I'm just worried if we don't lynch somebody Day 1, we might not learn anything newer BUT I guess if we lynch the wrong person than we're gonna lose two right off the bat.........Dang it Albert, you've got me all sorts of confused now.

[VanDamien]

VanDamien: Are you saying if Albert has votes piled on him and needs one to lynch you'd do it?

Yes, I am saying I'll do it.

[Miztef]

I believe albert. It seems way too crazy to be a mafia ploy, and even if it is, he's gonna die at some point anyway.

I am happy with lynching Tophat most today, and therefore will

vote: TopHat

[Miztef]

jeez,

vote: TopHat

[DeathSauce]

Miztef, please answer my question from post 172:

Miztef, you say that the person "the majority of us agree is scummy" should place the hammer vote. What if I think you are the second-scummiest player behind Albert? If the majority of us feel that way would you be willing to drop the hammer?

[Miztef]

sry missed that.

Prefferably not, as I am pro-town, but if it came to me being seen as the most scummy, I would have to, or else you would lynch me instead of albert (that's how I see it as working anyway). In that case, as a pro-town player, it would be better to hammer albert myself, because if he is scum, thats good. If he is experimental pyschopath then we get a free vigilante kill.

[Miztef]

the only really bad situation is if he is a scum pyschopath or a jester role. Then we are in a bit of trouble.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, I am saying I'll do it.

It doesn't matter what you think you will do in the future, you lunatic. Actually, I have nothing to say to you.

VanDamien is acting more and more suspicious with every post he makes:

Well, Well, a random wagon for absolutely no reason!

There's nothing to defend, as I haven't done anything even slightly scummy. What do you five hope to gain by running up the votes on a townie? Hunting for a power role, maybe?

First subtly threatening that he's a power role.

I'm aware of how the dame is played on Day One starts, thanks!

In particular, those jumping on the wagon, would you like my claim, or would you like me to overreact? I see no reason for either at this time.

Again with the power role threatening. He smells like scum that knows he won't be lynched at night, so he talks smack about claiming his role.

This behavior is strategically simple at core: He scares away townie lynchs by semi-claiming a power role, yet no one can contradict him because he has (rightly) specified which role. Also, mafia can't hurt him and the vig will be scared to NK him.

Guys, let's lynch VD today, if he's innocent then vig SHOOT ME TONIGHT. How about it ? You have nothing to lose.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My analysis on VD is that he is scum that believes I am vanilla townie or power role. This would perfectly explain his every move until now.

Let's get him outta here, if I'm wrong I won't even last until Day2.

[ryan]

Post 190 does bring up some interesting points on VD, but Albert I worry about just lynching somebody just to "lynch them" I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players. I'm sticking with Snichkin with my vote as he's been very quiet all of a sudden and still very shady with earlier posts

[VanDamien]

I didn't semi-claim a power role. In fact, I'm completely vanilla, which is why I am very willing to hammer you in the chance that you are telling the truth. I wouldn't be a big loss comparitively.

The way I see it is pretty simple: if anyone thinks Albert is telling the truth and I'm scum, put him at -1 and I'll hammer immediately. If you don't believe Albert's role or towniness, put him at -1 and I'll hammer immediately.

[vollkan]

Reading over this.

unvote

it is is the safest thing to do in light of what you guys have brought up.

the only really bad situation is if he is a scum pyschopath or a jester role. Then we are in a bit of trouble.

Isn't scum psychopath entirely different to ABR's claim. Then again, the role has been varied slightly, though I doubt he is scum psychopath.

Have to catch a bus, I would have elaborated on some things otherwise.

[ryan]

Ok I understand the logic VD, very gutsy BUT also willing to prove yourself to the rest of us townies..............its a little gutsy early on but I do see your point now. I'll wait and see how the other townies feel before I do anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ryan, are you scum too or what ?

You just said, and I quote,

I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players.

You are definitely contradicting yourself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys:

*****Ryan and VanDamien*****

Let's get this over with please. Vig me if I'm wrong.

[ryan]

Ryan, are you scum too or what ?

You just said, and I quote,

I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players.

You are definitely contradicting yourself.

I don't think I contradicted myself. I simply stated that if we (as a townie) lynch the wrong person than the mafia lynches another, wouldn't that be losing two of our players? I guess I shouldn't have said "we the town lynched" because it would technically be the town lynching one and the mafia lynching the other. I apologize for the confusion, my bad 8)

[VanDamien]

Guys:

*****Ryan and VanDamien*****

Let's get this over with please. Vig me if I'm wrong.

Simpler answer, which again goes against your claim. If you're so sure of Ryan and me, you'd be calling for your own lynch, and you'd be able to take us both out at once, instead of needing to be vigged at night and dead anyway. Let me be clear to those who have missed it. I DO NOT believe that claim one bit, I WILL hammer his lynch, in case he's actually telling the truth, and I'm plain vanilla, so in that case I won't be a huge loss.