Mini 422 - Paranoia Mafia - Game Over

[Sarcastro]

I think I've made a pretty good case for Stevie's guilt in my previous posts, and I really don't feel like going over it again. Sefer, on the other hand, has done very little to make me think he's scum, and the fact that the two scummiest players, Mojo (now you, although you haven't been very scummy since replacing) and Stevie, were on the bandwagon reinforces it for me.

[Sefer]

Why do you think I'm not innocent at this point, TCS?
Time's almost up (well, it might be; we don't really know); people should

vote StevieT92

to have a chance of getting scum today.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

While I can see the case for Stevie, I'm not convinced that Sefer isn't scum either. Therefore, I'm not going to move my vote unless it looks like we'll no-lynch otherwise.

[dahen]

Time to continue my analysis:

p7

Mayhem

explains that from the source material he thought that all mutants were anti-computer and thus bad guys.

Mojo

steps in and says that only registered mutants are non-threats to computer. He also says he is happy with his vote on PWS.

Barroman

votes Mayhem for attitude.

Mayhem

votes Dahen for attempt to mastermind.

MM

says not every PC is a mutant, but that every PC is a SS-member.

Mayhem

says that SS-members are traitors and that traitors are anti-town.

Barroman

questions Mayhem's vote on Dahen.

Diamondhawk

sees bastard modding as possible.

Sarcastro

accuses Mojo for meaningless PWS vote.

stark

says it's obvious that the pro-computer agents are mafia.

MM

votes Mayhem for rolling eyes.

We have quite a lot of setup speculation here to look at.
Mayhem says SS-members are traitors.
Mayhem says Traitors are anti-town.
stark says that Pro-computer agents are anti-town.
DiamondHawk believes the Communists are mafia.
Coron says that you can (and are) treasonous without being anti-computer and I assume he means anti-town.

[dahen]

p8

Sarc

doesn't want to talk game mechanics until later for fear of helping scum in fake-claiming. Votes Mojo for wanting too much info.

Barroman

doesn't like MM's rollseye-vote on Mayhem

Mayhem

foses Stark for thinking pro-computers are scum.

MM

says nobody seems scummy.

Diamondhawk

defends dahen and suspects Mayhem a little. Also thinks it's too early to speculate on setup.


Sarcastro strikes me as a good player. He points out pro-town stuff in a manner I attempt as town just as well as scum. The choice of conclusions drawn from it is what's interesting. His vote on Mojo is consistent with the vote-those-who-speculate-too-much-too-early-strategy. I still thinks Sarcastro has voted a lot based on templates like this. I'll continue to watch his moves.

I don't care about Mayhem's roll-smiley, but I do care about his defense that "you can't seriously use it as evidence". The thing is that you can't use anything as evidence. The fact that you seem to think in terms of evidence when at this point everything is hunches and interpretations is at least somewhat scummy to me.

[dahen]

p9

Mayhem

clarifies his vote on me and Barrowman and also says he don't think Mojo is scum because of asking stupid questions.

Mojo

accuses Mayhem for being to certain Mojo is town.

CES

Foses Mayhem for trivializing scum tells.

PWS

jumps in to vote Stark for saying nothing.

Actually, Mayhem votes me for capitilizing in a similar way that I accuse Sarcastro of doing. I see that as pro-town, but I don't like how he has stuck with that. There's plenty more happening to consider. Also, I also agree with him suspecting Barrowman for looking for reasons, but as I said a couple of pages back, I got a pro-town vibe from Barrowman that I will stick with.

I will, however, defend Mayhem from Mojo's accusation that he is too certain that Mojo is town. That's not how I read his post (#204). I read it as he don't think Mojo's behaviour suggest that he is scum, and that he therefore is neutral rather than town. This makes Mojo's and Sarcastro's jump on Mayhem look bad. But I could be wrong.

I don't understand how PWS can be so inactive as he is and then in #211 accuse Stark for merely saying he is there. There is a lot more interesting stuff going on, and that even if you only look at Stark.

[Sarcastro]

Dahen, your analysis is interesting, but right now, I think your time would be better spent looking again at how Stevie used a horrible reason to jump on a lame bandwagon in an incredibly scummy manner, along with his subsequent behaviour. And then voting him, so that he dies.

[Thesp]

Official Vote Count

PlaysWithSquirrels

- 1 (DiamondHawk)

Stark

- 1 (PlaysWithSquirrels)

Sefer

- 3 (Maz Medias, Cogito Ergo Sum, The Central Scrutinizer)

Cogito Ergo Sum

- 1 (Coron)

StevieT92

- 3 (Sarcastro, Barromán, Sefer)

Not Voting

- 3 (dahen, StevieT92, stark)

With 12 surviving, it takes 7 to brainscrub and present for summary execution. At deadline, a simple plurality will do, using longest-held-last-vote as a tie-breaker.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Guys, we are supposed to be getting more votes on people, not less.

Coron, PWS, DiamondHawk, make yourselves useful.

[Thesp]

Official Vote Count

PlaysWithSquirrels

- 1 (DiamondHawk)

Stark

- 1 (PlaysWithSquirrels)

Sefer

- 3 (Maz Medias, Cogito Ergo Sum, The Central Scrutinizer)

Cogito Ergo Sum

- 1 (Coron)

StevieT92

- 4 (Sarcastro, Barromán, Sefer, Sefer)

Not Voting

- 3 (dahen, StevieT92, stark)

WARNING! WARNING! Use of Machine Empathy detected! Be at high alert, Troubleshooters!

With 12 surviving, it takes 7 to brainscrub and present for summary execution. At deadline, a simple plurality will do, using longest-held-last-vote as a tie-breaker.

[Sarcastro]

Well, Sefer apparently has two votes now, so I'm fine if deadline strikes.

[Maz Medias]

Unvote

I apologize for my extended absence, fellow Troubleshooters. I will strive to improve my contributions to Friend Computer.

[Sarcastro]

Stevie, I would recommend a claim.

[StevieT92]

I have a violet clearance. I do not wish to claim.

[Sarcastro]

So you'd rather just let yourself die?

I'm cool with that.

[dahen]

Continuing, since I want this written down before nightfall:

p10

Mayhem

votes Stevie for killing for smile.

Then NOTHING happens for a long time. This is important. We don't know today why, but I think we will know more later in the game. If Mayhem is town I think most scum are already on his wagon at this point. If Mayhem is scum, then scum might be waiting for somebody else to accuse. Anybody who suddenly would start to look elsewhere would be a suspect later on.

Sarcastro

states Mojo+Stevie as scum pair.

Barroman

also analyses the stall and votes Stevie to test him.

CES

silently votes Mayhem

dahen

posts analyses

p11

Sarcastro

foses dahen for lack of conclusions (but they are coming)

Sefer

replaces Mayhem and states that he didn't like Mayhem's play style. He votes Mojo for using a fact in a wrong way.

Stevie

unvotes Sefer because he likes the guy and want him around.

Mojo

is replaced by TCS, who votes Sefer for the setup discussion earlier.

Sarcastro

is worried by Sefer dying as town but asks him to claim.

Sefer

claims to not be a member of a SS.

TCS

wants claims from SS members.

TCS

wants Sarcastro to answer why Sefer is town and Stevie scum.

I think Sefer's vote on Mojo has a valid reason. The TCS vote on Sefer is also valid and the SS member thing could be worth something (by saying this I think you can infer that I'm a SS member). If we look at the stall, then Sefer is a good lynch since it will give us info.

[dahen]

p12

Sarc

doesn't want to publish case against Stevie but he says it's pretty good. I would like to hear it again or get a reference to an old post with the good case.

Sefer

votes Stevie to get a lynch before dead-line.

TCS

is happy with his vote on Sefer.

dahen

continues with analyses

Sarcastro

says dahen's analyses are interesting but doesn't say what he finds interesting.

It's here 3-3 between Sefer and Stevie

Sefer

uses machine empathy and double votes Stevie. (4-3)

MM

unvotes Sefer.

Sarcastro

wants a claim from Stevie.

Stevie

refuses to claim.

I like to speculate on setups even though it sometimes bites me. I think double voters are normally town, which means that this speaks in Sefer's favor.

Assuming Sefer is town and scum didn't add to his wagon during the stall (meaning scum are potentially on wagon) the logical choice is between those on the wagon at the stall, which are:

stark, Barroman, MM, Stevie, TCS

CES

later joined the wagon.

stark

unvoted without explanation.

I don't want

stark

to be forgotten.
I think

Barroman

is town.

MM

has barely posted at all.

CES

has posted a little more, but nothing substancial.

Stevie

has not said much other than his theory against Mayhem/Sefer.

Stevie:

I'd like to know what your current view on Sefer is and who you think should be lynched.

TCS/Mayhem

has interacted more with people and is a better lynch if we'd like information.

TCS:

Same question to you as to Stevie.

[dahen]

vote Stevie

to avoid a Sefer lynch, but I'd still like those answers from Stevie and TCS.

Stevie (Team leader)

Please prod Stark.

MM

Please post your thoughts.

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

Sorry for my extended absence. School hit me hard and I kind of dropped everything.

That being said, there's something strange about TSC. I'm kind of leery of him. I can't quite put my finger on it.

Stevie hasn't really done much to attract my attention. I don't really see the basis of the bandwagon on him. Violet clearance is pretty high if I remember correctly.

I'm sorry if I've come off as kind of abrasive in this game. I'm ready to play nice. Pour some sugar on meeeee!

[Sefer]

I just wanted to check in; I know I haven't had much to say lately, but since I'm the only outted power role I have doubts about whether I'll live through the night even though at this point it looks like I'm not going to be lynched. I do think Mojo/TCS is someone to look at tomorrow, but its hard to make a good case without having some dead player's alignments known for sure to lend context.
In that we're coming up on a week since the first deadline, tomorrow may end day (Friend Computer has surely seen that an uncertain deadline will help us out commie traitors. Hail Friend Computer!), so anyone else that has thoughts for the day may want to get them out.

[Thesp]

Final Daycycle 1 VoteCount

PlaysWithSquirrels

- 1 (DiamondHawk)

Stark

- 1 (PlaysWithSquirrels)

Sefer

- 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum, The Central Scrutinizer)

Cogito Ergo Sum

- 1 (Coron)

StevieT92

- 5 (Sarcastro, Barromán, Sefer, Sefer, dahen)

Not Voting

- 3 (StevieT92, stark, Maz Medias)

WARNING! WARNING! Use of Machine Empathy detected! Be at high alert, Troubleshooters!

Authorized Deadline Extension Time has expired. Friend Computer is pleased to announce the brainscrubbing and summary execution of Team Leader StevieT92. Incidental thereto, StevieT92 has been determined to be

Communist and immediate threat to the Computer

. His clones have been likewise terminated, and his DNA template has been wiped, and he will pose no further threat to Friend Computer.

Nightcycle 1 commences immediately. Please do not communicate with any other Troubleshooter unless expressly authorized to do so. Daycycle 2 will commence after Nightcycle 1 concludes, which will be at minimum the duration provided for under the handout by Production, Logistics and Commissary's ever-informative guide, under subsection 3(af-3), "Why Citizens Should Not Be Afraid of the Dark - There Are Absolutely No Grues To Be Afraid Of, None Whatsoever, We Promise!"

[Thesp]

Processing data, please standby...

[Thesp]

Good morningcycle, troubleshooters! Friend Computer is pleased to announce the expiration of

Sefer

during the last nightcycle. Fear not, citizens, for he was an

immediate threat to the Computer

! Enemies of the Computer will not triumph!

Daycycle 2 begins.

With <totalplayers> alive, it takes <roundup(totalplayers/2+.5)> to brainscrub and present for summary execution.

[Sarcastro]

The fact that Sefer was a "threat to the computer" all but confirms my suspicion that threats the computer are actually pro-town. In any case,

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

[stark]

Or we could also take into consideration that we are just honestly not going to get an honest guilt measure from mod


We can work this out later though, once every one has returned to game.