NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[petroleumjelly]

A few notes.

First, I would propose that just about every player currently voting for Sotty7 would be an unlikely partner for Sotty7 were she to flip scum. Therefore mathcam's original reason to vote for her has been undermined by the very fact that people have voted due to his case. mathcam's own reasoning has therefore debunked itself.

Second, just about every player I have attacked in the game (with the exception of Bookitty) is currently voting for Sotty7. It is literally the worst assembly of voters I can imagine all on the same bandwagon.

Third, I have intimate knowledge of Sotty7's recent play, and I am

confident

she is Town.

This wagon needs to disassemble and

now

. The cheerleading is awful. If you want my shortlist for players who need to be lynched and vigged, they are

all

currently on the Sotty7 wagon.

Votecount

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) -- Sotty7, Yosarian2, Bookitty
Save the Dragons (1) -- Cogito Ergo Sum
VitaminR (1) -- undo
DrippingGoofball (4) -- petroleumjelly, Porochaz, Save the Dragons, Green Crayons
Sotty7 (6) -- mathcam, Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, chamber, SpyreX, VitaminR

Not voting: MrBuddyLee, OhGodMyLife
17 alive, 9 to lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

We've got one of the best mafia players ever as a confirmed town mason, and you're not even going to *listen* to him when he says something like that?

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffft

NO.

PJ is as certain that I'm scum as he's certain that Sotty7 is town.

Therefore Sotty7 is scum if I merge what I know of my own alignment, and PJ's judgment of alignments.

[Porochaz]

Jesus sometimes the stupidity is so massive that I wonder if its me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Second, just about every player I have attacked in the game (with the exception of Bookitty) is currently voting for Sotty7.

aka

as all my town reads, LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR: Why is Yos on your list, but not CES?

CES hasn't done anything scummy, and Sotty is voting for CES, which also makes me think he's town.

I also

strongly

urge the players voting Sotty7 to move their votes now. I do not claim to be confident somebody is Town lightly. This is not me just thinking Sotty7 is

probably

Town -- I am

sure

she is Town.

Albert, DGB: I would bet you 50 bucks, right now, that Sotty is town.

We've got one of the best mafia players ever as a confirmed town mason, and you're not even going to *listen* to him when he says something like that? What the hell's the point of having masons, then?

I'd rather have vezok as a mason, for his reads, than PJ. Vezok's reads are on the money these days. PJ has no business telling people where to vote.

No, we're at deadline. Vote for DGB, Sotty, or Yosarian. I think DGB is town, but other people don't, so there are your choices.

Uh. The wagons are DGB, CES, and Sotty. Nobody is voting for me, because nobody actually thinks I'm scum, although VitimanR and now DGB are pretending to.

I think that you're scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos remember when I FOS'd you and said it was a joke? It wasn't a joke. I was just trying to avoid getting NK'd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

joke=mistake

[mathcam]

First, I would propose that just about every player currently voting for Sotty7 would be an unlikely partner for Sotty7 were she to flip scum. Therefore mathcam's original reason to vote for her has been undermined by the very fact that people have voted due to his case. mathcam's own reasoning has therefore debunked itself.

This is just glib. You think Sotty is town, and all (or a majority of us) on her wagon are scum, so of youcrse think there we're unlikely scum partners with Sotty. Arguing that this invalidates the argument against her being scum is completely circular. I can feel your visceral desperation, and am willing to listen to rational arguments, but don't go off the deep end just because DGB and ABR are being DGB and ABR.

DGB and ABR: I agree that the cheerleading (e.g., 2339) is pointless, and perhaps even detrimental to your cause. Please stop.

[mathcam]

Whoa. "youcrse" --> "course you"

[Porochaz]

Urgh, could the people still voting sotty read the last number of posts again.

[mathcam]

poro, you're acting as bad as ABR and DGB. It's been a hectic 15 minutes of posting. Just chill out. I would like an answer to

c) I'm not saying I'm going to move my vote, but who's your next top choice after DGB? I don't think she's scum.

before I move my vote.

porochaz' anxiety reads scummy to me, as if he's eager to look town by sheeping PJ.

There seems to me some support of my analysis, even if there's now a counter-push away from sotty. For the rectord, the other top candidates being output by that process were OMGL (who I could not morally bear to lynch after his goodwill at replacing in) and porochaz.

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't move your vote, mathcam.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Your cause", mathcam? This is your case. Your cause. We've taken it up because it's strong.

PJ you’re off your rocker. First of all, there can’t be 6 scum left. Second of all, the Sotty bandwagon can’t be made up of mostly scum. That would be atrocious strategy. The Sotty bandwagon isn’t a counter-wagon to save a scumbuddy. It emerged naturally and organically following rigorous debate, discussion and consensus, among an active body of players. I was voting VitaminR, mathcam was reading the game, DGB was using her system, VitaminR was defending his friends and family, Spyrex was reading the game, yet we ALL ARRIVED AT THE SAME CONCLUSION. Granted, there may be one in the group bussing, or there may not be, but it’s a good bandwagon.

Unless, you, PJ, will go into more specificity and detail about why you think Sotty’s play runs parallel to your experience with her in another game, so that we can debunk your careless naiveté, you’re not giving us any reason to believe you or argue against you. Yosarian blindly sheeping you and praising your skill at reading players -which I respectfully disagree with- makes him definite scum.

[OhGodMyLife]

Trying to keep up with the current events in this game while also trying to read through the earlier parts of it is like trying to hit a moving target. Anyway..

Vote: DGB

Scumteam: DGB, Yos, chamber, and IDK yet (probably four scum left, yes?)

Townreads: ABR, VitR, Poro, sotty, mathcam

@ABR, I think DGB is manipulating you into being the loudest voice for a sotty lynch

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can go to Yosarian, I won't vote for DGB today.

[OhGodMyLife]

And green crayons is a townread too.

(In b4 Yos says "OGML suspects me in every game!" Love ya buddy)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Would you be ready to vote for Yosarian? I suspect a large contingent of the Sotty bandwagon would agree to move to Yos.

[OhGodMyLife]

If a viable wagon is there absolutely.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Yosarian

YOLO

[mathcam]

"Your cause", mathcam? This is your case. Your cause. We've taken it up because it's strong.

I wasn't trying to disown it. I just meant that "doing X is counter-productive to what you are trying to achieve." And just so we're clear, I think you've had some good posts recently. I'm not asking you to shut up.

Unless, you, PJ, will go into more specificity and detail about why you think Sotty’s play runs parallel to your experience with her in another game,

I agree. I don't think there's anyone not thinking it, so I'll put it into the open that I'm worried there's an implication that PJ has something more than just an intuition that sotty is town. If that's the case, we're close enough to the deadline not to dance around the issue. If we've bandwagonned the wrong person and PJ has evidence to back it up, I'll move somewhere else. But if not, I get the feeling that prochaz is reading such an implication, so it's not like it's a particularly well-kept secret. And I'm a dense pile of bricks when it comes to reading breadcrumbs or subtle hints of knowledge. And so without something explicit, I'm reluctant to let even a confirmed-town PJ's intuition trump the merits of the wagon, meager though they may be.

OGML/ABR: I think you'll find a lot of resistance to a Yos-wagon. Bring it up tomorrow again if you want, but it would be dangerous to start it now. EBWOP: Oy vey.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not dangerous, come with us. Join us.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Yos

[undo]

So have we given up on VitR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think about Yosarian vs. Sotty, undo?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, we've given up on VitaminR.