Open 17 - Strawberry (Game Over) before 416

[kilmenator]

Post on 3 or 4 people to come later tonight or tomorrow...

[IH]

Alright guys, sorry, I just could not get into this game at all. I will admit that yesterday I was voting Brewsky for suspicions at the very beginning of the game, and apologize for being a filthy lurker.

FoS:Rosso

I think.... Just a small point, but I think he recognized Brewski was the cop. He seemed to notice more than others in the early game that Brewski was over eager, and continually mentioned the cop. THis is just more of a gut feeling and delving into something unproveable. Nothing voteworthy, but something worth mentioning.

*(Note, Brewski also repeatedly said it would be a mistake to lynch him, so that might have tipped him off als -_-)

May I ask why we are reaching a conclusion so fast on Brewski?

Maybe we should get him to roleclaim first. Many newbies are overeager, but that doesn't necessarily mean guilty.

FoS:Kilemenator

ranger said maybe. I don't consider this pushing. I wouldn't even consider an FoS because of this one statement. Although, I have to wonder about you - in post 45 you seem awfully quick to jump on a bandwagon. Then in post 50 you get on ranger's case for suggesting we try to get someone to roleclaim. That makes me wonder about you. I'm not ready to FoS you yet, let alone vote, but:

FoS

No, he was pretty much hinting at a claim without coming out and saying it. You IGMEOYed him, but what he did wasn't scummy at all.

I still don't like Rosso's post 87. That was frickin useless, and a crap reason to vote somebody. He said he hated synopsis posts, but how can that be any kind of indication to alignments, ESPECIALLY for replacements?

It just seemed to me like an extra reason to put some force behind his vote on NAR/replacement IMO

oh and also, theres really nothing to respond to on that wagon, it came from nowhere for no good reason.

This was a lie.

I'm not exactly sure of the way Rosso was trying to unsubstantiate posts. It doesn't seem like the ways I've seen him as town before. It has variated slightly it seems....... The attitude hasn't changed, but the way he has been saying things isn't sitting right with me....

More like post 104. The last games I've played he didn't do that at all. The only purpose it served was to try and make Kilem's posts to look bad. Bleh.

*shrug* i bear down on someone for pretty damn just reasons and thats the basis of an attack?

can't really defend against that one.

why dont we just attack anyone who attacks anyone? That'd work great. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!

Not to mention he tries to unsubstantiate the case even further. "Why don't we just attack anyone who attacks anyone", but the votes were clearly for not that reason. The votes were there because he voted for someone for posting a frickin synopsis.

FOS:JDodge

Post 129

Al4xz says in post 143 that he thinks that Rosso is town, but puts a vote on him.

I don't like SV's defense of Rosso either..

unvote whoever, Vote: kilmenator

If kil isn't scum you can lynch me next. Something he/she said reaks of scummyness. I read something and instantly knew he/she was scum. I'll tell you what it is once I realize it, but trust me kilmenator is scum.

FOS FOS FOS

No! Secret scumtells are always scummy!

Then JD in his following posts give him excuses? Instead of asking what it was? Pretty much supplies reasons......

Ripley's post 162 was good.

What I want to know is why Ripley's vote stayed on Caddock the whole game until the

8th

page.

I don't really see SV doing anything this game except for defending others.... I will go through her posts with the filter after this.

I think it was strange that the Acfan wagon took off. I personally think that scum helped jumpstart their buddies wagon.

On the COMPLETE opposite hand, we have Earwig, who lamely defended Acfan.

I don 't understand how the Rosso case was dulled down to being abrasive and annoying? He wasn't being just abrasive and annoying, he was doing it for a STUPID reason? He pushed a wagon on someone for replacing NAR, who was being stupid (which was scummy, I'llk give him that), and then added onto it opportunistically by saying that long posts and recap posts are scummy and making that the main basis of his case.

He first says that synopsis posts are scummy because someone could twist it around when they could read the real thing. But that means there is lazy town, and the only person who is likely to read a long post and not go back and double check is scum.

Not only that, he then revised his position by saying that synopsis posts are only not scummy when they provide an analysis, and even mentioned Kilem's paragraph of her opinions of such, before shooting it down.

He also said that Kilem had been uncomittal and had not given any opinions, which were certainly untrue.

JD also tried to save Acfan who had JUST claimed scum without asking for a deadline extension. In other words, giving the scum a free nightkill.

Bleh, this day has me conflicted...... As scummy as Rosso has been... JD and Earwig's defense and connections to Acfan draw me more to want to vote for them.

Vote:JD

[JDodge]

JD also tried to save Acfan who had JUST claimed scum without asking for a deadline extension. In other words, giving the scum a free nightkill.

You do realize I asked for no extension because ac had a majority, and there was no chance of him not being lynched at deadline at the time I said it?

[Ripley]

What I want to know is why Ripley's vote stayed on Caddock the whole game until the 8th page.

It was an original random vote which I left in place when Caddock failed to post, and removed when it became apparent he'd left the game (in a long post I made that got lost in the server crash). I reunvoted when I remembered this (Post 195). Why is this surprising to you anyway? My vote doesn't often move about much.

I'll look at the rest of your post in detail later.

JD also tried to save Acfan who had JUST claimed scum without asking for a deadline extension. In other words, giving the scum a free nightkill.

You do realize I asked for no extension because ac had a majority, and there was no chance of him not being lynched at deadline at the time I said it?

I did not agree at the time that he had a majority and I still don't see it now. With 12 players, surely 7 was the total required for a majority? ac1983fan was on 4 votes at the top-of-page votecount:

ac1983fan - 4 (Machiavellian-Mafia, Ripley, JDodge, spectrumvoid)

and there were no further votes until his self-vote, making a total of 5. There were again no further votes till you retracted the request for a deadline extension. I queried this, saying we were headed for a no-lynch, and you replied, no, we had a majority unless it was "interpreted oddly". I still didn't agree, but you sounded so conifdent that by now I wasn't sure whether I had somehow misunderstood "majority" or whether you had miscounted, or what the heck was going on.

I didn't really consider deliberate foul play by JDodge at the time, I was more concerned with the approaching deadline and the apparent hopelessness of getting more votes in time (the active people being the ones who were voting ac1983fan anyway, on the whole). Nobody else ever commented on it until IH just now, so once I saw ac1983fan was actually lynched I forgot all about it.

Mod

: are we getting replacements for al4xy and Blackberry? This game is barely moving.

[JDodge]

It changed to 5.

I was going off the "greater quantity or share" definition of majority, which I'm guessing was wrong now. Which is a mistake of my own.

Mod:

Can we get a clarification on the deadline lynch rules? Is it whomever has the most votes at the time, or is there no lynch unless the normal number of votes is reached?

[IH]

If no one has reached a majority at the deadline, no one will be lynched.

In other words, a normal lynch. He specified it earlier, I'm sure of it.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm going to relook at RC. Not for his playstyle that always looks scumy, but specifically for what he did to kilem. At this point though, I'm still leaning towards not scummy.

Yet again as SV the defender, I too thought that majority at deadline = lynch, probably because they occur in most games I've been in. However, I will be looking at JD's posts just in case.

[Rosso Carne]

Thanks everyone.

still al4

should be dead by now.

vote: al4

[kilmenator]

Sorry guys this has taken so long... but here are the next three (most of my notes about people were written just after daybroke so I am not taking into account the most recent posts.)

Rosso Carne

- has 35 posts(because of how many posts, I will not analyze all of them) I find him suspicious but he has dropped significantly for the moment at this moment, neutral leaning towards scum. He is rude and abrasive but consistently so, and checking on his other games, the ones that I could find he seemed to have a consistent play style. His play style is NOT pro-town and most of his posts are just crap to wade through, but at the moment he is not my top suspect for scum. Some notes about RC that I have-First off he got on me and then stayed there for most of the game and then jumped on AC right at the end, at this moment he seems very set on al4xz, at first I thought this was a distancing tactic, but at the moment, I do not think so, if when a wagon on Al4 starts and if RC jumps off I will be suspicious, but at the moment I think his concern about al4 is genuine. Another suspicious thing is that he says he is going to bear down on Brewski or earwig, but never does. His post #43 to brewski is suspicious as it seems totally out of character for him. Being that Brewski is cop, I dont know what to take of this, it could be buddy'ing up with someone he found likely pro-town without being obvious, or somethign else, I honestly have no idea what...He also says He plans on bearing down on Brewski or Earwig, but as soon as I replace in, he bears down on me, without mentioning either of them. Overall, most of his posts are just crap reasonings, but he plays consistently and at the moment I am willing to let him off the hook.

Earwig

- he has 31 (again, because of number of posts, I will not analyze all of them)At this moment, I dont know what to think of Earwig, slightly scummy, defintely worth watching, but not entirely sure at this point. I expect more contributions from him today. Not until late in day 1 did he actually really contribute anything, if you call them contributions. One thing that he does that bothers me, ( I dont know why) but he addresses people directly, it isnt scummy, I jsut dont really like it, I find it weird, I dont know. Most of his post are pointless. The main things with him are 1. when three votes got on Brewski, he jumped off, to my knowledge he never explained why, because Brewski was the cop, I dont know what to really take of this, certainly Earwig wouldnt have know this at this point, so I dont really know what to think of this. 2. He never votes Ac and actually stands up for him at one point, saying that he is more suspicious of RC and that we can only kill 1 scum at a time, this isn't likely what scum would do IMO, but paired with Ac's comment, this makes him seem more suspicious to me. 3. Although he has 31 posts, I can not really get a good read on him as not many of his posts does he actually add much. I need to check on his playstyle and see if this is typical of his play or not. After the rest of my person by person analysis's I might have more of a take on him.

IH

- has 19 posts. In those posts he has 6 votes and 2 or 3 FOS's. His first post is a joke with Ripley, the second a joke at Ripley and the third a joke at RC and 4th a joke to SV. Posts 9, 14, and 17 he seemed stuck on Brewski. His 10th post makes no sense, saying "an appeal to emotion", but looking at it in context, I cant gather what he was talkign about. He has 3 posts promising more to come, nothing ever comes. He seems to post enough to keep his post count up, but never really says anything serious or takes any stances on anything. His post #18 I found extrememly suspicious, he FOS'ed Jdodge and AC, but gave no reasons. He later defends AC saying he has been gone in his other games as well. This seemed like a distancing tactic to me, and paired with Ac's comment on "ruining it for scum" this makes him one of my top suspects for scum. His last post, he acknowledges that deadline is in two days, yet never returns. He never votes AC, or even seems to check in at all, this is not pro-town play to acknowledge deadline, but contribute nothing. At this point, I think IH is the most likely scum canidate, but being that I have not finished everyone's analysis yet, I wont vote, but I will place a

major FOS: IH

This will probably turn into a vote sometime soon, unless someone else jumps higher on my scumdar.

[kilmenator]

EBWOP- Caddock/MM, Ripley, and Jdodge and SV are next to come, then I want to take a look at possible connections with Acfan and Brewski, because upon looking to see if rules about deadline were posted because of the latest discussion, I found that Vitamin R said that the cop would have a headstart, whatever that means. So I want to look into Brewski and who he seems suspicious of and who he wasnt, as he could have had information about people.

[spectrumvoid]

Cop head start means that the cop gets to investigate before day 1.

[Earwig]

@IH - Is this the post you're talking about

Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: 242

I'm still comfortable with my vote on Rosso Carne, for the reasons listed in post 233. As I stated there, obviously there are other scum, but we can only lynch one at a time. I'm not sure I've seen enough to believe ac1983fan is scum. One rash statement isn't enough.

Here:

…………..On the COMPLETE opposite hand, we have Earwig, who lamely defended Acfan…………… Earwig's defense and connections to Acfan draw me more to want to vote for (him).

Vote:JD

Upon re-reading, I would strongly agree that I was wrong for defending ac. I really can't recall what the h*ll I was thinking at the time.

I really like your post 301 IH - It's a great analysis. I don't feel comfortable basing a vote or Fos(s) of off that post/analysis alone. I want to check all of it out before I do that. I should be posting thoughts late tonight or early tomorrow.

[Earwig]

Cop head start means that the cop gets to investigate before day 1.

I couldn't see any indications that the cop made use of the head start.

[IH]

That one AND the next one.

[Earwig]

This one??? Where I say I didn't have my glasses on???

I'm still comfortable with my vote on Rosso Carne, for the reasons listed in post 233. As I stated there, obviously there are other scum, but we can only lynch one at a time. I'm not sure I've seen enough to believe ac1983fan is scum. One rash statement isn't enough.

ONE rash statement. You mean ONE rash statement, right?

Get some glasses, reread his posts, and then tell me he isn't scum.

Ok..... I didn't have my glasses on.

[JDodge]

I'm guessing he means that you didn't offer any justification, but instead just went on and said "Yep, I see it now". Correct?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

As seen in V/LA and my sig, I won't be able to post until around 5/25.

[Rosso Carne]

klinky, the fact that ive wagonned both scum isnt helping?

i bus, but no one busses that much in this big a game.

MM, i cant see your sig. you should have that looked at.

[Earwig]

I'm guessing he means that you didn't offer any justification, but instead just went on and said "Yep, I see it now". Correct?

That's probably it. It's kinda of a moot point now, though. Had I re-read ac's posts more thoroughly, it would have been clear he was acting scummy. As we've seen, he wasn't acting.

[spectrumvoid]

I don't like the tone of Earwig's latest post. It's one of those: with hindsight, I should have known posts. It also sounds a little like trying to justify what he didn't do.

[IH]

yeah, that's like his other post. He really never addressed it, just tried to dismiss it with a comment, and never really took a stance. Just.... give a halfhearted answer and wait for it to leave.

[spectrumvoid]

mod

Vote Count please?

[VitaminR]

Vote Count:

JDodge - 1 (IH)
al4xz - 1 (Rosso Carne)

Not voting - 10 (Blackberry, al4xz, Earwig, kilmenator, Machiavellian-Mafia, Ripley, JDodge, spectrumvoid)

10 alive, 6 to lynch

Looking for replacements for al4xz and Blackberry.

[spectrumvoid]

vote: Earwig

[spectrumvoid]

*poke*