Mini 422 - Paranoia Mafia - Game Over

[The Central Scrutinizer]

All I can say for sure is that Maz Medias did not target Sefer last night... whatever good that does.

[dahen]

There is an important difference between the two dead guys:
Stevie was a Communist and enemy to the Computer
Sefer was an enemy to the Computer.

Since the Computer is paranoid, it probably thinks everyone is a threat to the computer upon death investigation. However, only Communists are the real threat (at least that's how I interpret the material), which means that we should try to get rid of communists. That also means that Stevie was a real bad guy and Sefer a good guy, which seems logical.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's what I wanted to say, you bastard.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I hope that's the case... it would be kind of funny to be scum and not know it.

[Barromán]

There is an important difference between the two dead guys:
Stevie was a Communist and enemy to the Computer
Sefer was an enemy to the Computer.

Since the Computer is paranoid, it probably thinks everyone is a threat to the computer upon death investigation. However, only Communists are the real threat (at least that's how I interpret the material), which means that we should try to get rid of communists. That also means that Stevie was a real bad guy and Sefer a good guy, which seems logical.

Amen

[The Central Scrutinizer]

There's one way to know for sure. Lynch me.

My role PM explicitly says I'm on the side of friend computer. I've got this wacky role that redirects people's nightchoices. I have no buddies though.

But the point is that my role PM explicity says I'm a good guy. If my reveal comes up that I'm an enemy of friend computer, then you know we've got a Space Monkey Mafia-type situation.

[Barromán]

(···) then you know we've got a Space Monkey Mafia-type situation.

What's that?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

(···) then you know we've got a Space Monkey Mafia-type situation.

What's that?

IIRC: The town was told that the gorillas were evil, when the majority of the town was gorillas and the space monkeys were the real mafia.

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

I was real suspicious of TSC yesterday. However, if the Communists are indeed scum, then TSC is very unlikely to be scum.

I'm not sure that I buy that the computer finds everyone guilty and that just the communists are scum.

[Sarcastro]

Lynch me.

'Kay.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Bump?

If we think that the Communists are scum, don't lynch me. If we think that anyone whose role pm says that they are specifically in support of Friend Computer is scum lynch me.

AFAIK I'm pro-town, and I want the town to win, and doing this should help the town sort things out.

[dahen]

TCS: You state two scenarios.
1. Communists are scum. You are town. Town should not lynch you.
2. Pro-computers are scum. You are scum. Town should lynch you.

Of course you are correct that town should lynch you in case two. But the problem is that you would be playing against your own win condition by supporting it. Scum can benefit from helping town and therefore getting trusted, but in this case you would be dead, and the trust would be wasted as soon as town saw you were scum.

This means that if you really think that 2 is a possibility, then you are playing really bad as scum. I don't think so, which means I think that you are probably very certain that number 1 is correct.

One reason that you can be sure of number 1 is if you are a communist and scum yourself. There is something that's not right about you.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

TCS: You state two scenarios.
1. Communists are scum. You are town. Town should not lynch you.
2. Pro-computers are scum. You are scum. Town should lynch you.

Of course you are correct that town should lynch you in case two. But the problem is that you would be playing against your own win condition by supporting it. Scum can benefit from helping town and therefore getting trusted, but in this case you would be dead, and the trust would be wasted as soon as town saw you were scum.

This means that if you really think that 2 is a possibility, then you are playing really bad as scum. I don't think so, which means I think that you are probably very certain that number 1 is correct.

One reason that you can be sure of number 1 is if you are a communist and scum yourself. There is something that's not right about you.

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I assume I am pro-town. I have no scum group. I have no killing role. So I'm going to act like a townie, even if for some reason my role is not town. I'm not a Communist, I can tell you that much.

Let's just take a poll. I'd like for everyone to answer these two questions, unless you have a role-related reason not to (and in that case, further explanation perhaps?):

1. Are you

explicity

pro-Friend Computer?
2. Are you a member of a secret society?

If I'm scum, then I'm screwing scum over. But if not, I may be helping us.

[Sarcastro]

Are we really trying to speculate on which roles are scum in a game called

Paranoia

?

How about we disregard everything TCS has said about his role, and lynch him because Mojo acted scummy yesterday?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Are we really trying to speculate on which roles are scum in a game called

Paranoia

?

How about we disregard everything TCS has said about his role, and lynch him because Mojo acted scummy yesterday?

I really like him even less today. :\

[Thesp]

Daycycle

2 Vot

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The Central Scrutinizer

- 1 (Sarcastro)

Not Voting

- 9 (stark, Maz Medias, DiamondHawk, Barromán, dahen, Coron, Cogito Ergo Sum, The Central Scrutinizer, PlaysWithSquirrels)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to brainscrub and present for summary execution.

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

Vote: Sarc

cuz I hatchoo.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Bump. You guys are just plain lazy.

[Thesp]

Friend Computer is most displeased. Prods going out.

[Sarcastro]

I don't need a prod - I'm one of the only people who's actually presented a case of some kind. Nobody else is bothering to comment on it, though, except TCS, against whom it is aimed.

[dahen]

PWS: Can you elaborate a little more on your reason for voting Sarc at this point?

You say that TCS is town if commies are scum. Then you say that you don't buy that just the communists are scum. I guess the use of the word "just" means that you DO believe that commies are scum, but that there might be other scum as well. Then I don't see why TCS couldn't be such a scum.

There is something wrong with your reasoning. Please explain to me if I have understood you incorrectly.

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

PWS: Can you elaborate a little more on your reason for voting Sarc at this point?

You say that TCS is town if commies are scum. Then you say that you don't buy that just the communists are scum. I guess the use of the word "just" means that you DO believe that commies are scum, but that there might be other scum as well. Then I don't see why TCS couldn't be such a scum.

There is something wrong with your reasoning. Please explain to me if I have understood you incorrectly.

Vote: Sarc

cuz I hatchoo.

It seems pretty self-explanatory.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

KILL: ALL LURKERS

[Thesp]

All prods have been picked up. Deadline set for 2 weeks from this post. MOVE.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

random vote: Coron