Mini 452 NBA All-Stars Mafia-Game Over!

xyzzy · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Fri May 25, 2007 11:44 am

/confirm.

Though we can't vote yet, my vote's going to Haschel Cedricson. Pirates=scum.

xyzzy · Post Post #47 (isolation #1) » Sun May 27, 2007 7:22 am

Vote: Lesser Than IH

Hey, he admitted to it.

xyzzy · Post Post #48 (isolation #2) » Sun May 27, 2007 7:24 am

Nekka-Lucifer wrote:It is my play style , I like quick games, I can be impaicent.. Mabye when I'm mafia I won't care about time
Anyway, stick to the point in 1 post, like I said (Why is it just me and A Papaya talking again)

Impacience=Scummy.

It's pretty early in to the game, so I don't think it's a huge deal yet, but IGMEOY...

xyzzy · Post Post #63 (isolation #3) » Sun May 27, 2007 2:25 pm

Vote LTIH. He's always scum.

Always.

...On a serious note, you, Nekka-Lucifer, are being extremely scummy.

While lots of good information comes out of any lynch, it's incredibly stupid to want the execution to come too quickly; all the juicy information that we really want comes from midday.

xyzzy · Post Post #74 (isolation #4) » Mon May 28, 2007 8:36 am

I'm scared now, I got 4 votes on here, what have I done? Look at my join date, no-one's taking it into consideration anymore...

So what if you're relatively new? It might just be inexperience, but you're acting veeeery scummy.

Also, I think I'm going to unvote

Why?

I don't even know why myself but I do have a FoS: A Papaya seeing he is -3 ing me on the basis that I should be lynched because I'm new... My join date practically matches his!!

What does join date have to do with someone voting you?

xyzzy · Post Post #85 (isolation #5) » Mon May 28, 2007 12:10 pm

WOW, 5.... scum going on here... Bad idea to lynch me

Why? If you're town, we'll get information; if you're scum, we'll get a dead scum.

If someone votes, their scum, so then someone else should unvote to put it back on 5...

To both statements: not necessarily.

If there's 2 votes at same time, there's a pre-aranged hammer...

Not necessarily. It could be 2 very bad players.

So, basically it's giving up me to find out 2 mafia...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I think I may be babling on now and I also have FoS: Haut Boy , hope bolds work on QRs

Why? I fail to see what HB did meriting a FoS.

Anyway, whatever you do, UNVOTE!! please... Just look into my avatar and gaze into Pus' in Boots eyes... Then you will have sypathy for the New Townie...

You're either a new person or the most amazing and awesome scheming (and slightly confusing) mafioso ever.

And if that doesn't work, SCREW YOU...

Consider me screwed.

I do believe you're probably town, but it's always possible for the sighted to pretend to be blind so that the other blind people won't be quite so angry when the sighted person leads them into a ditch.

That's the worst metaphor I've made all day!

xyzzy · Post Post #121 (isolation #6) » Wed May 30, 2007 3:43 pm

A Papaya wrote:I have no idea who to vote for, no one sees that scummy. So I'm going to watch the discussion develop...but IH does seem the must scummy to me, so far.

...And why aren't you going to be the one to initiate the conversation?

FOS: A Papaya

xyzzy · Post Post #132 (isolation #7) » Thu May 31, 2007 8:33 am

Xdaamno wrote:Was that a hint of sarcasm or am I paranoid?

Why would you be paranoid of something that brings information?

FOS: Xdaamno

xyzzy · Post Post #134 (isolation #8) » Thu May 31, 2007 10:06 am

Ah, okay.

Un-FoS-ified: Xdaamno

xyzzy · Post Post #137 (isolation #9) » Thu May 31, 2007 11:40 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Posts 132-134 look like distancing.

How so? I misinterpreted what he said, and I came to a false conclusion. He corrected my misinterpretation, and I went on.

xyzzy · Post Post #139 (isolation #10) » Thu May 31, 2007 11:58 am

I never even voted for him in the first place.

Perhaps an IGMEOY would've been better, eh.

xyzzy · Post Post #159 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:01 am

A Papaya wrote:I'll explain my logic now, Fletcher.

This is my opinion.
Nekka Lucifer is an idiot, IMO. He doesn't help at all, and in every other game he is in, I get the impression that he is scum. He just isn't that good at mafia. Therefore, it's most likely he'll end up doing something stupid, even as a townie, and we'll waste a lynch later in the game, when it matters more, on him. That's why I wanted him out of the way now.

That's a very bad reason. You're saying his playing style makes it impossible to tell his alliance; that should be reason to let him live until we get better information.

Vote: A Papaya

xyzzy · Post Post #162 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:31 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:Hmm, OK. It's just there wasn't anything else to go on, and I'm fond of the small psychological tells like people saying 'mafia' instead of 'scum'.

Though, now I've said that, nobody will fall for it >.<
How is saying Mafia a Tell as opposed to saying scum?

I suspect the only real difference is from player to player.

It's possible that one word is scummiet than another, but it's probably just a difference as to who's playing.

xyzzy · Post Post #168 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:13 pm

I don't care what we call them, as long as they don't get them proverbial basketball.

xyzzy · Post Post #177 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:15 am

Okay, I'm assuming that we began with 3 mafia, which seems pretty standard.

3/4 chance that N-L is town. Therefore, there's a 3/4 chance that we're at 7 to 3.
1/4 of mafia, in which case it's 8 to 2.
If he's town, we have about a 40% chance of killing a mafioso.
If he's scum, we have a 25% chance.

If he's town and we mislynch today, then we're at LyLo.
If he's scum and we mislynch, then we still have one more chance before LyLo.
If he's town and we lynch scum, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If he's scum and we lynch scum, then we have three chances before we're at LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's town, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's scum, we have 2 chances before LyLo.

One thing we could consider would be to vote No Lynch every day, unless it's basically obvious that someone is scum. That nearly doubles our time, and we could still hold mock votes before night begins.

xyzzy · Post Post #187 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:33 am

Fletcher wrote:
xyzzy wrote:Okay, I'm assuming that we began with 3 mafia, which seems pretty standard.

3/4 chance that N-L is town. Therefore, there's a 3/4 chance that we're at 7 to 3.
1/4 of mafia, in which case it's 8 to 2.
If he's town, we have about a 40% chance of killing a mafioso.
If he's scum, we have a 25% chance.

If he's town and we mislynch today, then we're at LyLo.
If he's scum and we mislynch, then we still have one more chance before LyLo.
If he's town and we lynch scum, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If he's scum and we lynch scum, then we have three chances before we're at LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's town, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's scum, we have 2 chances before LyLo.
This is all fine and dandy... if we were robots who just randomly voted and no one had any special abilities.

Well, the math loses points in usefulness, but meh. The statistics are mostly the same, unless we have a cop with a guilty or something similar.

xyzzy · Post Post #190 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:34 pm

A Papaya wrote:@No Lynch:

It's a stupid idea. Because if we don't lynch anyone at all today, we're going to be in the same spot as we were, minus players from nightkills. It's lose-lose.

FOS: Everyone who voted No Lynch

It buys us time, which we've already lost.

xyzzy · Post Post #196 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:17 am

The textbook example of this is going 'Oh No!' whenever someone dies, when that's part of the gameplay anyway. Solving the 'mystery' is part of the gameplay, and stating it is a scum tell. IMO.

Some players enjoy the game more in-character. I don't see what's scummy about that.

xyzzy · Post Post #211 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:51 pm

What? Umm...I suspected him, but not enough to vote. I forgot to FoS. How is that scummy?

Forgetting to FoS isn't scummy, but remember: we don't know that you forgot. Your alibi is only as good as your credibility.

xyzzy · Post Post #215 (isolation #19) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:29 am

Right now? I'm suspicious of all the people who are expecting others to analyze the game.

xyzzy · Post Post #217 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:06 am

...You asked me who I was suspicious of. Many players are expecting more experienced players to analyze everyone. That could be laziness, or fear of slipping up.

xyzzy · Post Post #220 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:16 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:He's simply been very, very tentative about accusing anyone... that's my primary rationale.

So I changed my playstyle for this game.

I'd be a sucky player if I never did that.

xyzzy · Post Post #227 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:20 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
xyzzy wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:He's simply been very, very tentative about accusing anyone... that's my primary rationale.
So I changed my playstyle for this game.

I'd be a sucky player if I never did that.
That's a weak, weak excuse.

Lynch this guy please.

Stop trying to tell the town what to do.

And you'll notice that in the two games so far in which I've died (N354 and M448), I've had an aggresive playstyle and I've been scum. So if you're argument is that I'm scum because that's not how I'm playing, then your logic is horribly flawed.

Flawed logic comes from deceitful purposes; deceitful purposes come from scum.

Unvote
Vote: Yogurt Bandit

xyzzy · Post Post #229 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:50 am

Because Yogurt Bandit was the one who said that I was changing my style to not look scummy.

And I fail to see how responding to WIFOM with WIFOM is that bad. If you want that kind of debate, I'm willing to have one, but don't say that I'm scummy for being like you, you know?

...Well, I mean, unless you like looking scummy. But that'd be stupid, eh?

xyzzy · Post Post #232 (isolation #24) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:24 am

(Oh, and that's beside the point that I can't die day 1. I'm always lynched day 2; I'm cursed. If I win, I either survive, or I die day 2. If I lose, I die day 2.)

xyzzy · Post Post #234 (isolation #25) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:37 am

Haschel Cedricson wrote:
FOS: McStab

Why?

xyzzy · Post Post #237 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:56 am

He hasn't done anything startlingly bad; not active, but not scummy, either.

xyzzy · Post Post #275 (isolation #27) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:41 am

Xdaamno wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:
mlaker wrote:I don't really see much to comment on, to me nothing is really going down. I think Voting for me because I have computer problems is a little suspicious. Xdaamno is my top bet for scum.
Uhm... I realised I was voting for someone else, then looked at the possible candidates and chose one I'd like to hear the most from (Thus, a pressure vote). I try to keep my vote productive.

Pressure voting is almost completed unrelated to scum hunting.
This is a clever guise to conceal your true voting records. Mhm.
Drats; I've been completely figured out.
Yup, let's string him up!

PARTICIPATION, anyone?
What's that, an acronym?

Please Always Remember To Investigate Clues In People's Alibis To Inspire Other... Ni!

hmm... the Knights Who Say Ni...

I can't say I see what inhim did that's so scummy, though...

xyzzy · Post Post #287 (isolation #28) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:56 am

'Ello, schis.

Who are you suspicious of, and why?

xyzzy · Post Post #288 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:36 am

...*ahem*

Trying to avoid the question, I'd presume.

Unvote, Vote Schis

xyzzy · Post Post #290 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:37 pm

You could have said that.

Saying nothing in response to a question is scummy.

xyzzy · Post Post #297 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:47 am

McStab wrote:Well, to help contribute more, although I doubt this'll help catch scum much, here's some things...

I think a no lynch would be a bad idea today, because if NL was town, and we lynch a townie, we may be down by two, but if we lynch a scum, then we balance things out.

I think that mlaker is acting very scummy, he lurks more than even myself.

I don't have any opinions about other people, except that Haschel Cedricson seems innocent to me.

Your whole argument is essentially, "Yeah, I'm scummy, and I'm going to avoid spreading useful information, but here's some other people who I think are scummy."

No.

xyzzy · Post Post #302 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:17 am

No, that's how schis always plays.

Unvote

xyzzy · Post Post #306 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:56 am

Indeed, Mlaker is giving me vibes such that he may be trying to get us to ignore him...

Mlaker, two questions:

If you were scum, who in this game would you want your partners to be?
If you were town, who would you want the scum to be?

xyzzy · Post Post #317 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:57 am

I'd say McStab is a good choice.

Vote: Stabbity Stab McStab

*stab*

xyzzy · Post Post #321 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:32 am

If oyu're scum, your answers are based, which'll help us figure out who your partners are.

I'm a bit suspicious of your second answer, because you didn't really say much of why you think that.

xyzzy · Post Post #325 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:23 pm

No, unless we fulfill the regular requirement of 6 voters, then we still have the full time; so we should discuss until then.

I will be gone between the 21st and 24.

xyzzy · Post Post #368 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:23 pm

Xdaamno, I don't like that you only commented on the section of our newcomer's analysis related to you. That's rather defensive, no?

Unvote, Vote: Xdaamno

xyzzy · Post Post #383 (isolation #38) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:50 am

Your argument seems to be, "Yes, everything I've done is a major scumtell, but I always play this way, so I'm obviously protown."

...

No.

xyzzy · Post Post #385 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:33 am

No, your previous style has nothing to do with your style this particular game.

xyzzy · Post Post #393 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:38 am

Vote: No extension.

You're scum. Duh.

xyzzy · Post Post #412 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:44 am

Schis, stop making jokes and make contributions, kthxbai.

FoS: schis

xyzzy · Post Post #424 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:40 am

I have to agree with inHim.

Unvote, Vote Schismatized

xyzzy · Post Post #425 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:41 am

...And mlaker.

xyzzy · Post Post #426 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:42 am

Lynch-1, By the way.

xyzzy · Post Post #430 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:05 pm

Why, NYY? I mean, I know he's annoying on scumchat, but don't just hammer him to say, "OH LOOK AT ME I AM HAMMERIN' PEOPLE"

xyzzy · Post Post #432 (isolation #46) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:09 pm

Oh... okay.

Grr.

...Well, that was kind of anticlimatic.

xyzzy · Post Post #435 (isolation #47) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:16 pm

It is?

I wouldn't know.

xyzzy · Post Post #438 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:27 pm

I'd rather they get Oden than Get Oden. Oh well; at least they aren't going to get oden or GET ODEN.

xyzzy · Post Post #440 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:37 pm

*Ahem*, I was mocking your spelling. Are you going to say anything?

xyzzy · Post Post #446 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:13 pm

10 + 3 + 3 killed + 16 != mini game.

Since there was only one death, I'd guess:

6 town, 3 mafia.

If we mislynch today, we're in lylo. Unless a cop protected someone or something, but I don't see how a SK would fit in with the theme (except for the Dreaded One-Man Basketball Squad of Death)

xyzzy · Post Post #450 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:58 am

Wait, isn't it possible that he was actually communicating with a scum? It doesn't appear that the masonry was guaranteed to be with a townsperson...

So searching for them is pretty futile...

xyzzy · Post Post #500 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:14 am

Xdaamno is scum for completely overreacting.

Note my sig.

xyzzy · Post Post #535 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:18 pm

Argh. Will catch up as soon as possible.

xyzzy · Post Post #543 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:49 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
unvote, vote: Inhim

...Why?

xyzzy · Post Post #546 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:15 am

inHimshallibe wrote:I assume it's because I've been all over the place on the issue of Xdaamno. Otherwise, I'd guess it would be the tone or the perceived "slant" of my argument...

For crying out loud, xyzzy, don't just ask "...Why?"

Please, let's lynch xyzzyscum today.

Wait, it's now scummy to ask for rationale for a vote?

I've always held that it's a bad idea to do anything based on playstyle being scummy, unless they act differently. I don't see how I've ever gone off of that.

xyzzy · Post Post #559 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:20 am

You claim that I'm attacking people based on mostly unimportant things, perhaps strawmanning.

That word generally implies that I'm attacking anything I can, anywhere I can. Rather, I'm focusing on non-obvious aspects of scumminess.

The difference is that I'm attacking actual scumminess rather than misconstruing townie-ness.

xyzzy · Post Post #561 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:53 pm

Adam The Amazing wrote:Halfway done; I'm still in day one, of course, but I figured I could share some suspicions without properly backing them up as of right now.

Fletcher seems like a townie, along with yogurt thief. I think Fletcher has a power role.

[...]

McStab seems like a vanilla townie OR a cop, I don't think he/she has any other power role.

[...]

Xdammno was pushing hard for yogurt for doing what I would consider making a connection based off his PM - this makes me think Xdammno is very scum. I don't think he's an All-Star, I think he's some outside force; maybe the SK, commissioner Stern?

Rolefishing = scummy.

xyzzy · Post Post #564 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:30 pm

Steve Francis.

I'm unNKable, since, as a spectator of the All-Star Games rather than a player, I'm never around too late after games and no one has enough contact with me to know where my hotel room is.

And yes, I'm aware that that's a typical scum claim; I'm aware that any defense I give will be met with "LOL wifom noob", so if you're unable to accept the possibility, then it's your fault for lynching a townsperson needlessly.

If you do that, you're a stupid, stupid town.