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I'm going toVote: Nekka Luciferalso. A game day can take weeks or months (as pointed out by IH). And yes, night does not come until we lynch or officially do not lynch someone.
Also, lets spell out Nekka Lucifer from now on, if it's not too big a pain, since he does happen to have the same initials as no lynch.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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Let me help you there: Samurai > Pirates > NinjasXdaamno wrote:EBWOP: Pirates > Ninjas
Paranoid much?mlaker wrote:Vote The Central Scrutinizer, my reasoning is that of all the people to call out to post more he chose me. There are many people lurking and I was being discussed on the page. So it seems to me that he might have just been doing that because it might be easy to start a bandwagon. He didn't vote because he didn't want to make it look just that. Kind of slim I know, but it's my observation.
That seems like a pretty lame thing to use to distance yourself, but it might just be my rustiness. I don't really know what you new-fangled players have some up with in my absense.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Posts 132-134 look like distancing.
Questions: Does anyone know exactly why Nekka-Lucifer was kicked out? Can we get a quote? Is that against the rules?
Need to reread. I'll get back with more complete thoughts on people tomorrow.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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Somehow I missed the discussion just before Nekka getting banned, so I missed the fact that the discussion was pms between two of the players. Sorry about that.Thok wrote:
Nekka-Lucifer was modkilled for out of thread communication (sending a PM about the game to A Papaya as mentioned earlier in the thread).Fletcher wrote:Questions: Does anyone know exactly why Nekka-Lucifer was kicked out? Can we get a quote? Is that against the rules?
Onto suspicions and such.
I still find this odd. Can you explain this logic to me Papaya?A Papaya wrote:The only reason I haven't voted NL yet is that he's always extremely scummy...and that's why I think he just sucks at Mafia. Which is also a good reason to lynch someone.
Vote: N-L
At this point I think it would be very helpful for us to think about whether or not Nekka-Luicifer was scum. Honestly I think it is very likely that he was. He was very excited about night even though he had played in other games before and should well know that night did not occur until someone is lynched (is he always that excited?).
I find this hard to believe. If I had the initials NL I'm pretty sure I would always be thinking people were always talking about me. It's just odd that someone would lie about something like that. Then again he could have been telling the truth and I may be just reading into it too much. I still like to go with the addage that liers are scum, though.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Also, yeh thx Fletcher for pointing out to say Nekka-Lucifer instead of N-L, cause I'm getting confused if people are talking to me or what...(w... too far?)
This is also weird, because earlier he made a point of saying this:Nekka-Lucifer wrote:I'm scared now, I got 4 votes on here, what have I done? Look at my join date, no-one's taking it into consideration anymore...
He stresses the fact that he is not too new then uses his newness as a defense.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:I'm relatively new, but stressing the relatively.....
Also people like Xdaamno, A Papaya, Haut Boy, and xyzzy seemed very eager to jump on the Nekka-Lucifer bandwagon. It seemed to me that they misinterpreted Nekka quite a bit. Obviously all of them can't be scum, but it is worth noting.
This is another weird one. Why would you attack this? I would ever have given Yogurt's post a second glance.Xdaamno wrote:Yes, but Yogurt, you said it was random then said you were guessing. Just dosen't seem the kind of thing to naturally say while RVing.
I also have no idea why people are voting IH.
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Did someone conduct a study in my absence?Xdaamno wrote:Hmm, OK. It's just there wasn't anything else to go on, and I'm fond of the small psychological tells like people saying 'mafia' instead of 'scum'.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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I disagree with you Papaya, but I can see where you're coming from.
I also disagree with Xdaamno FOS, like 3 people asked you about the same exact thing. Why are you only FOSing Yogurt?[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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This is all fine and dandy... if we were robots who just randomly voted and no one had any special abilities.xyzzy wrote:Okay, I'm assuming that we began with 3 mafia, which seems pretty standard.
3/4 chance that N-L is town. Therefore, there's a 3/4 chance that we're at 7 to 3.
1/4 of mafia, in which case it's 8 to 2.
If he's town, we have about a 40% chance of killing a mafioso.
If he's scum, we have a 25% chance.
If he's town and we mislynch today, then we're at LyLo.
If he's scum and we mislynch, then we still have one more chance before LyLo.
If he's town and we lynch scum, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If he's scum and we lynch scum, then we have three chances before we're at LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's town, then we have one chance before LyLo.
If we don't lynch and he's scum, we have 2 chances before LyLo.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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Oh yeah:
What? Can you elaborate?Xdaamno wrote:Mmkay, I'm using the posts by user so I might miss a few things other players have said, but it shouldn't be too important.
First post; obvious vibes. Possible newbie scum tell in the second sentence, but nothing decisive.Hello all! Hopefully the mystery can be solved so Everyone can watch the big game!
Second post. Ambigious but consistent with scum play.Im back all, Let me read over the posts, to see how I got 2 votes..[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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I was not trying to "steer" anybody. I think I made it obvious that I was stating my opinion about Nekka and was trying to gauge other's at the same time. Thus the statement "I think it would be very helpful for us to think about whether or not Nekka-Luicifer was scum." If you don't agree with my suspicions that's fine, but I feel as if this is purely because you disagree with me.Haschel Cedricson wrote:Lastly, I am going toVote: Fletcher. I am tenetively sure that Nekka_Lucifer was pro-town. In Fletcher's post 150, I think he's trying to steer us into believing that Nekka-Lucifer was scum.
I always consider no lynch a possiblility, but in this case I think it could very much be helpful. Let's just pretend for a second that you agree with my suspicions on Nekka. Wouldn'tHaschel Cedricson wrote:I noticed that Fletcher has stated that he would "be fine with a no-lynch", and as an experienced player, he should know better. I also noted that he never actually voted No Lynch; I think that he's attempting to get others on the No Lynch bus without getting on it himself.youthink it would be a valid idea to no lynch too? I think he has a good chance at being scum. A no lynch would confirm that. A confirmation is very nice because it lets us observe his actions and consider his connections to other players. If we don't no lynch we go a lynch without that possible knowledge.
I am not sure that Nekka was scum, so I am not just going to vote no lynch. I'm simply saying that it is a viable option if we run out of other ideas. Tell me you at least agree with that.
I've never brought this up in defense of my actions. I've only done so whenever I didin't understand why another did or thought something they did.Haschel Cedricson wrote:Finally, he brings up the fact that he has had a long leave of absence from Mafia several times, and I think this may be to provide an excuse for sub-optimal play under the guise of rust.
This is not true. On a normal Day 1, yes, but this day is very much different from a normal day because we lost Nekka. If we no lynch we still get the ifo about Nekka.A Papaya wrote:@No Lynch:
It's a stupid idea. Because if we don't lynch anyone at all today, we're going to be in the same spot as we were, minus players from nightkills. It's lose-lose.
FOS: Everyone who voted No Lynch
It's odd because I'm am certainly not an outspoken advocate of no-lynch normally, but I feel you guys are being blind to the pros of a perfectly legitimate play.
Although this is maddening as hell, I don't understand why it warrants a vote. Anyone care to explain?McStab wrote:Sorry for being so inactive, I just generally don't post much day one, there's only minor missteps by the scum and/or townies, suspicions and random votes. Day two is much more interesting, and you can catch scum alot better, because who they kill in the night and who is lynched day one helps determine who's scum. I try to stay out of Day 1 because to me it's just a chance for a townie to be lynched quickly by a minor misstep. Now if something large happens, such as someone does a major scum tell, then I can see voting there, but until there's some evidence involving who got killed/lynched, I'm not really too active. I check the thread, I just don't see much to say.
Right now I am leaning away from Xdaamno and more to TCS. I feel like he hasn't really tried to figure out anything. He is just moving from one suspicious person to the next. None of his attacks are pressing, nor are they very well thought out. Is this his normal play?
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Ohh, good idea. Why didn't I think of that? Seriously...The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Therefore, in my estimation, we should ignore the possibilities of his alignment and focus on who is the best lynchtoday. We can vote based on his alignment when we actually know it.
I am in no way advocating a no lynch! Ok? Ok. I simply thought that NL was scummy. I think this is the main difference in our argument, but it's just turned into an argument about no lynch.A Papaya wrote:People are saying that we can vote No Lynch because this wasn't a normal D1.
That's wrong. I'm 90% sure that NL was town, that's why I unvoted him. Therefore, it's even more important to hit scum today.
If we miss scum today, the ration will be, after tonights NK:
7 Town
3 Scum
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5 Town
3 Scum
1 SK
-----Therefore, we need to lynch someone today.
Who? I would like everyone to come forward with whom they think is today's lynch, if No Lynch isn't a possibility. Right now, I'm pretty happy with my vote on McStab, pretty much for saying that D1 doesn't matter. That's really, really, anti-town.
I still fail to see how McStab thinking that day 1 is boring and useless is scummy. Can't scumandtown think that? Someone please explain this in terms other than "this post reeks of scum."
Failing to see how this makes you think he's town...A Papaya wrote:Yes, just because he PMed me. Remember, everyone at first thought he was scummy for his playstyle. When he PMed me, I realized that his playstyle was just stupid, not scummy.
That was only a little only 24 hours after your question. Did you notice that he was not the only one to not post?xyzzy wrote:...*ahem*
Trying to avoid the question, I'd presume.
Unvote, Vote Schis
Give us a chance! Please?schismatized wrote:a lot of older members around here act like "tough guys" or "hot shots" but i think that is baloney. just because youve been here a while, doesnt mean yr better then anyone else.
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Apologies to all. I've been busy, but that's not to say that I shouldn't have given fair warning. Admittedly I'm behind and need to reread, so I'll try to have a good post within 24 hours.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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I suck, but it appears I'm not the only one. First, random (not necessarily noteworthy) things I read while catching up.
lolzxyzzy wrote:Unless a cop protected someone or something
Would Thok even bother to do this if the mason recruiter had died? That's my main question right now.IH wrote:No, not at all. That would be retarded, besides why WOULDN'T I get notified? I got a PM from Thok Thok, that told me I was now a mason partner.
Also, how clever is IH? Anyone?
lolzinHimshallibe wrote:-dunk-
My scum order from scummiest to least scummy
xyzzy- For the first time in this game (it seems like) I'm agreeing with the majority. I really feel like you aren't giving as much real analysis and content as you could be. Although you are posting, it is mostly poking and prodding. You seem almost afraid to be pushing a bandwagon too far. You are also joking a lot. Maybe it's just how you are, but it seems forced. Note: xyzzy is the only person who was adverse to the deadline extension. Of course someone else could have felt the same thing and just wasn't there and didn't post anything. It does seem an obvious thing for scum to do though. The obviousness is the only thing slightly holding me back.
YogurtBandit- Who are you? I must totally be gliding over your posts. I think you have an ice cube for an avatar, but I'm not even sure of that. People seem to have you consistently high on their lists too, so I thought I'd add you. Looking over your posts it seems like there are four or less posts with over three lines in them. Minimal at best. (I'm not one to talk, but if Ihad beenposting more I can rest assured that I would be posting more content than that). While looking at your other games it seems to be your play style. Possibly you don't deserve to be this high, but I'm still willing to vote for you.
mlaker- Always willing to kill him. Always. His play is a little weirder than usual though. I find it particularly odd that today he seems very reluctant to vote Xdaamno. This post here was noteworthy:
Why has your opinion changed form yesterday so drastically? Please explain.mlaker wrote:I believe Xdaamno's claim, I don't know how good of an argument we have against him today. I'll look over it, but I don't really believe as strongly as I did that he's scum.
The Central Scrutinizer- No real problems with your play as of yet. I'm not really sure since you've been playing quietly. I could see you as scum.
inHimshallibe- Experienced and seeming very comfortable. I don't remember playing with you. We've probably played more in chat than on scum (which hardly counts). Really no idea right now. Does seem to be scumhunting but in that sort of uncaring way which is a little unnerving.
Sonicpulsar- Seems to be really putting himself out there for the good of the town. I may not agree with you 100% but it does seem to me that you are honestly trying to scumhunt.
Xdaamno- Your anger and confusion at seeing other people suspect you throughout the game seems genuine to me.
IH- It would seem very odd to me for a scum to come straight out and claim that they got recruited by HC, especially when scum are doing very well and seem on there way to a win. It would be weird play to risk a counterclaim from the real person who was recruited. This is why I asked earlier "how clever is IH?" since it certainly does not 100% clear IH. I would suggest that if someone else did get notified that they were recruited by HC that they come out. Does anyone disagree? (I assume that would have happened by now, but it could be someone who is completely disregarding the game) The other way IH could be scum is if Thok just didn't pm anyone about being recruited last night. The masons were obviously useless now that the recruiter is dead. Would thok go through the motions like that or just assume it doesn't matter? Even so, I think it would be stupid play for a scum to claim that like IH did.
I willVote: xyzzy
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Sounds good to me.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Mass nameclaim?
Nope, I'm the real deal.Adam The Amazing wrote:Fletcher, you're not tricking me and actually being mafia, are you?
Vote: XdaamnoAll of the deaths line up with the all-stars vs non all-stars theory. I'm definitely up for putting that to the test.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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Did you read our posts?Sonicpulsar wrote:At the moment, I'm curious how we already have 2 people voting for Xdaamno when we haven't even discussed IH's death. Seems awfully scummy.
FOS Fletcher and Adam
I think you're wrong. We don't know for sure that it is all-stars vs non-all stars or else you would be lynched already.Xdaamno wrote:Now if I was asked to roleclaim,you'resuggesting I went with a bad name, i.e.my ownname. Why wouldn't I use a safeclaim instead?
And if there's no safeclaims for scum, this game's quite unbalanced
Even if we were fairly sure that it is, indeed, all-stars vs. non all-stars there are plenty of reasons to not use a safe claim.
- It was day one and know one had really mentioned that idea whenever you claimed.
- To avoid counterclaiming someone.
- To avoid a rolename cop.
Of course I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but I am willing to put it to the test.
Same here.inHimshallibe wrote:IfIwere the cop andIhad one living guilty or two living innocents,Iwould probably reveal such.
Why?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:sonicpulsar>fletcher>yogurt>adam>inhim>me
I don't understand why TCS did what he did. I mean Iunderstand, but why?[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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No he didn't TCS, Adam the Amazing unvoted earlier.
Your argument is that you are town and that if you were scum you would have gone with a safe name correct? I was explaining why as scum you would not, in fact, go with that safe claim/name.Xdaamno wrote:You're contradicting yourself. Theonlysignificant reason anyone's voting me rests on the fact that it is all-stars versus non-stars. You can say my argument's wrong if it isn't that way, but then your argument would also be wrong. If your offence is correct, my defencemustbe correct. For my defence to be naturally wrong your argument would have to be naturally wrong too.
I don't know what you mean by that.Xdaamno wrote:EBWOP: Also, by saying I'm scum you're saying I bussed xyzzy. I don't see much evidence of a sudden change onto him in my past posts.
I kind of assumed it was obvious, he wasn't scummy. I also don't think if there is a doc that he would be on the top of their list to protect.Sonicpulsar wrote:Fletcher, no one has really discussed why IH was killed or what it implies BEYOND the all-stars stuff.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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What motive do you think I have by hopping off?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:It's not like we didn't suspect Fletch and mlaker anyway... this hopping off looks portentious.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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To the first paragraph: I unvoted somply because he is one away. I would like to flesh out some of the things going on. I feel like lynching Xdaamno today is our best bet but I don't think it should happen right this second.Sonicpulsar wrote:I'm keeping myFOS Fletcherup. I don't like that he was so quick to throw in a second vote and then just as quick to unvote. For me, I have to be fairly confident of my decision before I'll vote for someone and it then takes fairly compelling evidence to cause me to unvote and/or change my vote.
At this point, I guess I'm waiting for more name claiming. Or at least an explanation for why you (the 4 remaining people) are choosing not to. TCS, myself and Xdaamno all have.
To the second: I'm Rasheed Wallace.
Since when is voting for who you think is scummy scummy? I'm kind of in disbelief that you have a whole game to go off of and this one thing makes me top your scum list, but I digress.Sonicpulsar wrote: 1. Fletcher. As I've stated earlier, the relatively quick second vote on Xdaamno with nothing to go on but the theory of all-stars. Indicative of scumminess in my opinion.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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Xdaamno isn't dead?
I disagree because if peopel are bandwagoning enough to get the person to claim they will most likely not have a neatral opinion. A vanilla claim does not help that persons case, in fact it hurts because people start to think "At most we are losing a vanilla townie, we could do much worse."Xdaamno wrote:Bullshit. If a random guys claimed vanilla and everyone had a neutral opinion of him, he'd actually be more likely to be vanilla (Since there's usually more vanilla townies than scum. Even if this isn't always the case, he's still more likely to be vanilla). As a result, my vanilla claim shouldn't be used as a defense for me I agree, but using it as a scumtell or a reason to lynch is ridiculous.
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Xdaamno isn't dead?
I disagree because if people are bandwagoning enough to get the person to claim they will most likely not have a neutral opinion. A vanilla claim does not help that persons case, in fact it hurts because people start to think "At most we are losing a vanilla townie, we could do much worse."Xdaamno wrote:Bullshit. If a random guys claimed vanilla and everyone had a neutral opinion of him, he'd actually be more likely to be vanilla (Since there's usually more vanilla townies than scum. Even if this isn't always the case, he's still more likely to be vanilla). As a result, my vanilla claim shouldn't be used as a defense for me I agree, but using it as a scumtell or a reason to lynch is ridiculous.
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I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of the games that I have ever played in on this site (which is a nice sum) have had safe claims provided for the scum.Xdaamno wrote:My lynchdoes notmake sense. You are proposing that I'm scum, and have no safe claims in a game ran by a respected member of the site with all the townies in the All-Star game. That is just flat-out impossible however you look at it. I'd find the theory that one member of the town side is not in the game more likely than the theory that Thok provided no safe claims in a game like this.
In response to Sonicpulsar: I'm just ready to put this theory to the test. Look at the facts. Steve Francis was scum. The only person alive who claimed before the mass claim and has a non-allstar role is Xdaamno. If you don't believe Xdaamno is scum you are saying that Thok put in two non-allstar roles and that there is no correlation between that fact and alignment. I don't see a reason why Steve Francis should be scum and Jason Kidd shouldn't.
I mean seriously, if you don't believe allstar theory, then why aren't you guys voting me? I'm Rasheed Wallace! This is as solid a case as I see. Like I said before, the worst case scenario is that we will lose a townie.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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And the reason for the mafia to do a no kill again would be...?Adam The Amazing wrote:If we follow this strategy: YB, you roleblock SP again tonight. We no-lynch. If everyone's still alive, we string him up.
There's no real reason to lynch with six that's better than lynching with five
You've got enough content for the both of us.Sonicpulsar wrote:I'm waiting to hear back from the two guys who voted for me but have yet to make any posts with real content in them before I commit to something.
I think we are thinking about this too much. I could be wrong but it looks like scum on a silver platter to me. I don't like this over-thinking.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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I agree.Adam The Amazing wrote:One more thing: Nobody has said any other reasons for why nobody died, and not killing is always risky business for the mafia. It's a WIFOM that I am not even going to try to wade into, and I don't think it happened; the odds of a cop are too high.
Can't imagine the 4th scenario in the last post is true with the very low amount of claimed and dead protown power roles. However there could still be some out there.[size=75]"But you know what they say. 'Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is... umm... really, really dumb and bad.'"- Strong Bad[/size]-
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