NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[Izariael]

@Aeronaught:

whom are your scumreads?

@Izariael:

same question.

I'll get back to you on this. As of this moment I've read up to about 540-ish, then picked up again at about 760. Once I've had a chance to read and evaluate the gap in-between I'll have a better idea, because right now I don't think I really have any fore-runners. I have read MVP's ISO though since he was at L-1 at some point, and I will say that I'm not voting that wagon. I don't see how he could be the scummiest person in this game, and I'm a bit confused about why so many people are on that wagon to begin with.

[Aeronaut]

@Aeronaught:

whom are your scumreads?

@Izariael:

same question.

Toomai. MVP could be scum too. I feel like they're just lazy though. They'd probably defend harder if they were scum.

I have one or two more, but I'm waiting to see if they keep doing what they're doing, so I don't want them to know I'm onto them at the moment.

[Depraved Justice]

@Aeronaught:

whom are your scumreads?

@Izariael:

same question.

I'll get back to you on this. As of this moment I've read up to about 540-ish, then picked up again at about 760. Once I've had a chance to read and evaluate the gap in-between I'll have a better idea, because right now I don't think I really have any fore-runners. I have read MVP's ISO though since he was at L-1 at some point, and I will say that I'm not voting that wagon. I don't see how he could be the scummiest person in this game, and I'm a bit confused about why so many people are on that wagon to begin with.

There's a shiny spot for you on the opportunist's wagon. Hint: The name starts with R.

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: I'm beginning to run out of booby jokes.

Votecount 1.30

MVP [L-2] - TheWayItEnds, Cabd, Cephrir, AngryPidgeon, Aegor, reinoe

reinoe [L-4] - Bicephalous Bob, Toomai, Depraved Justice, T S O

Toomai [L-6] - Mirhawk, Aeronaut

T S O [L-7] - Ki-Gi

Mirhawk [L-7] - MVP

Not Voting [1] - Izariael

With 15 alive, it takes

8

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-08-30 21:00:00)

Some of MVP is V/LA a bit.

[AngryPidgeon]

boobies are gross.

[Izariael]

@Aeronaught:

whom are your scumreads?

@Izariael:

same question.

I'll get back to you on this. As of this moment I've read up to about 540-ish, then picked up again at about 760. Once I've had a chance to read and evaluate the gap in-between I'll have a better idea, because right now I don't think I really have any fore-runners. I have read MVP's ISO though since he was at L-1 at some point, and I will say that I'm not voting that wagon. I don't see how he could be the scummiest person in this game, and I'm a bit confused about why so many people are on that wagon to begin with.

There's a shiny spot for you on the opportunist's wagon. Hint: The name starts with R.

Well here's how I sit atm. My top 3 scummies are reinoe, Cabd and yourself. My next 3 would be Bob, Toomai and Mirhawk, but they're all more null than anything. I'm currently working on reading that portion that I've missed, so I'll recap my thoughts when I get there. I'm townreading T S O more than I was initially, so I wouldn't put him on my list at this time.

[Mirhawk]

I would say there is guaranteed scum in Toomai/MVP/DJ.

This is swell, I like it.

If I switch to MVP now can I have Toomai tomorrow?

[Izariael]

Your reaction to him not answering the question was also way out of proportion to the offense. I would have expected you to maybe ask him the question again, or ask if agreed with the other answer or something like that. Not go in all out attack mode and demand answers while simultaneously

insinuating that it was scummy to allow others to "intrude" on your conversation.

@Mirhawk (and others):

What are your thoughts on Cabd and reinoe's reactions in posts 330/333?

Do you think the game is currently not in serious mode? If it is, what post do you think kicked off serious mode?

I'mmm back

Cabd... what kind of questions are these? They seem super fluffy and I don't understand how the answers could be relevant to Toomai's behavior... Is there something specific you're trying to gauge from them

This is the pinnacle of your contributions so far, which worries me somewhat. Seeeeeemmmmmmsssss a bit scummy overall when I look at your ISO.

There is in fact something I am trying to get here, please do not walk into my lines of questioning.

What Cabd is doing is pretty obvious.

I'll also take a note of you trying to cockblock the line of inquiry.

When Toomai flips scum you're gonna have a nasty looking associative tell.

I found this response from both of them rather unwarranted, especially given that

Toomai had already answered the questions in post 327...

I don't see why they aren't getting similar scrutiny from anyone for their actions. Furthermore, I never got the explanation I asked for in posts 332/334. I asked because I truly didn't see a town motivation for why Cabd was asking such open-ended questions, despite his intent being "pretty obvious".

Please, someone enlighten me about why Cabd's questions were necessary, critical or even helpful, and why it was so scummy to call them fluffy AFTER they'd been answered. Because my understanding of the questions is as follows:

"Do you think the game is currently not in serious mode?"
I don't see how an answer here would have been alignment-indicative. Toomai's vote came all the way back in post 278, and he made it quite clear in post 323 that his vote was "trying to steer the game towards serious mode." Toomai didn't think it was "serious mode" at the time of the actions that Cabd is calling into question, so the question seems pointless. How would his present stance (at the time of Cabd's question) reveal anything new about Toomai's actions? Toomai's answer makes sense and seems pretty null to me:

It's a spectrum; I don't think I can define it by pointing to specific posts. Page 10 was pretty serious mode, but when reinoe made his entrance on late 11 it regressed back into silly mode. I'm not sure what the town motivation for doing so would be, because it just creates a distraction.

"If it is, what post do you think kicked off serious mode?"
This just seems plain fluffy. Toomai could have pulled any post between point A (his vote) and point B (Cabd's questions) to answer this, and wouldn't even have to answer this if he just said 'no' to the first question. Again, I don't see how an answer here would have been alignment-indicative of Toomai's motivations or his actions. Any answer is based entirely on individual interpretation. It's unlikely that any two people here would point to the same post as the starting point of "serious mode", so how could Toomai's answer bring about any new information?

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Also, I don't understand why reinoe felt the need to jump in the way he did. What motivation would he have to jump to Cabd's defense and threaten me with associative tells? I don't understand it nor do I see a town motivation for it... The only thing I see that makes any sense is that Cabd's questions were questioning Toomai's reasons for voting reinoe (except they weren't really), so reinoe thought it best to lash at someone criticizing the questions as fluff (which they were)?

This post is long overdue, but I wanted to get it out there because this was something that has hooked my brain and won't let go.

[Cephrir]

Please, someone enlighten me about why Cabd's questions were necessary, critical or even helpful, and why it was so scummy to call them fluffy AFTER they'd been answered. Because my understanding of the questions is as follows:

"Do you think the game is currently not in serious mode?"
I don't see how an answer here would have been alignment-indicative.

This may be a valid criticism. He also may be able to answer what he was trying to get at.

*looks at Cabd*

[Cephrir]

Perhaps there's something there and reinoe sees it, but if so, you and I both seem to not be getting it.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah no, the entire thing looks terrible.

Cabd's question does suck. Any line of inquiry that would have come from it being answered would have been useless.
At best I think the question was rhetorical. If it was a serious question then I have no idea what he was getting at.

Reinoe's response sucks too. Mostly because it was unwarranted, and contained an implicit threat.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I would say there is guaranteed scum in Toomai/MVP/DJ.

This is swell, I like it.

If I switch to MVP now can I have Toomai tomorrow?

why are you lining up lynches and using aegor's hyperbole as an excuse to vote MVP?

it's just three players with no useful connection except for the fact that they've all been wagoned

[Bicephalous Bob]

...by each other

[reinoe]

...by each other

You'll also note that none of those pushes were serious...

[reinoe]

and contained an implicit threat.

It sure did. But it only has merit if Toomai flips scum.

[Bicephalous Bob]

so what was the obvious thing cabd was doing

[reinoe]

I wish there were White Castle out here in the West. When I went to Gencon I made it my business to eat there once a day.

[reinoe]

so what was the obvious thing cabd was doing

Cabd was seeing if everything Toomai says and does is just contentless reasonless garbage. Look at Toomai's ISO it's all apathetic crap that allows him not to take responsibility for anything. It's all..."I'm just not sure: we'll see what happens: I don't know what it does: I'm not confident in any of this...."

Toomai claims that my entrance put the game back in silly mode: that's horseshit and Toomai's 327 is gahdawfull.

[T S O]

It's really not at all.

[Mirhawk]

why are you lining up lynches and using aegor's hyperbole as an excuse to vote MVP?

it's just three players with no useful connection except for the fact that they've all been wagoned

Because I'm coming to the realization that none of the people I really want dead are going to end up that way today.

MVP's and okay lynch, we could easily do worse. Besides if we leave him alive we're just going to have the same arguments to lynch him day two.

I'm not basing my scumreads on associations between players. Doing that before we have any flips would just be pointless guesswork.

[T S O]

I like Mirhawk a lot.

Mainly because his thoughts on Cephrir echoed my own.

[Mirhawk]

so what was the obvious thing cabd was doing

Cabd was seeing if everything Toomai says and does is just contentless reasonless garbage. Look at Toomai's ISO it's all apathetic crap that allows him not to take responsibility for anything. It's all..."I'm just not sure: we'll see what happens: I don't know what it does: I'm not confident in any of this...."

Toomai claims that my entrance put the game back in silly mode: that's horseshit and Toomai's 327 is gahdawfull.

I don't disagree with this, but why did you shut down Izy?

[T S O]

Do MVP and Cephrir make any sense as scum together?

[reinoe]

so what was the obvious thing cabd was doing

Cabd was seeing if everything Toomai says and does is just contentless reasonless garbage. Look at Toomai's ISO it's all apathetic crap that allows him not to take responsibility for anything. It's all..."I'm just not sure: we'll see what happens: I don't know what it does: I'm not confident in any of this...."

Toomai claims that my entrance put the game back in silly mode: that's horseshit and Toomai's 327 is gahdawfull.

I don't disagree with this, but why did you shut down Izy?

Because it looked like Izy was trying to prevent Toomai's feet from being held to the fire. Toomai had been under almost non-existant pressure and it looked like Izy was swooping in to prevent it.

Also before anyone points it out, I understand the irony/hypocrisy of stopping line of inquiry by........stopping a line of inquiry.

[T S O]

And you feel that Izzy was super-worried about Toomai being under a tiny amount of pressure, yes?