NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[reinoe]

The weather forcast is partly cloudy, but it's rainy and windy right now. The weather channel's accuracy has really gone downhill since they started airing porn.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll catchup here after work, far too distracted with other things.

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: frogmouths look weird.

Votecount 1.32

MVP [L-2] - TheWayItEnds, Cabd, Cephrir, AngryPidgeon, Aegor, reinoe

reinoe [L-4] - Bicephalous Bob, Toomai, Depraved Justice, T S O

Toomai [L-6] - Mirhawk, Aeronaut

T S O [L-7] - Ki-Gi

Mirhawk [L-7] - MVP

Not Voting [1] - Izariael

With 15 alive, it takes

8

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-08-30 21:00:00)

Some of MVP is V/LA a bit.
TheWayItEnds is V/LA til Saturday.

[Izariael]

VOTE: reinoe

It it comes down to lynching MVP or reinoe, I would much rather lynch reinoe. Not only do I think he's scummy, but I've already reached my quota of off-topic filler from him... I really won't feel a loss if he flips town.

[reinoe]

VOTE: reinoe

It it comes down to lynching MVP or reinoe, I would much rather lynch reinoe. Not only do I think he's scummy, but I've already reached my quota of off-topic filler from him... I really won't feel a loss if he flips town.

Toomai's post are 100% filler. I think you can handle a little more...

Spoiler:

filler

[Depraved Justice]

So today I talked to my other head and I realy don't have anything much to add but I'm kinda like 50/50 on Ren. I mean, I understand the argument that he's being kinda a distraction with that stupid trolling but he's not Titus lvl of distraction yet so I'm just kinda like "let na's and poe" sort him 'cause this "I'm town but going to do anti-town shit" is getting p common these days. So I'm moving my vote back to its rightful place.

vote:MVP

Also, Iz, you are scum reading my slot for the same reason that everyone else is right?

[Toomai]

Ugh I'm beat; today was zero-day for SSB4 leaks.

I'm going to attempt to dredge up my feelings of the playerlist. You probably won't be impressed but at least there will be a semblance of effort.

• Bicephalous Bob: 133 clued me in to some suspicious behaviour. 188 is just a busywork vote and makes no sense, but 193 softens it a bit. 936 on the other hand looks like a decent callout.
  
• MVP: 665 does make a good point; I played with MVP before and I don't recall this kind of lurking. But 686 digs out of any hole that might have made. But then 762 happened, and it's just unsubstantiated fluff.
  
• Ki-Gi: Liked 315, but 583 pokes him.
  
• Cephrir: 232, 320, 525, all good pokes.
  
• Izariael: 60 and 61 are good attempts to get things moving. 215 is the readslist I mentioned before that looks totally fine to me. 871 asks the same question I was asking; that probably means we're of like alignment (i.e. town). 932 is more good questions.
  
• reinoe: 269 and 271 are just bad. 349 kind of makes it not as bad, but it's still bad. The rest of it is null and/or troll.
  
• Depraved Justice: Mixed bag. 42 is nonsensical, but 201 backs it up. 472 points out what seems to be known around here as the "beetlejuice tell". 583 and 686 kind of cancel each other out.
  
• Aegor: 322 just works, I guess it's gut positive.
  
• Aeronaut: The nulliest null that ever nulled. I guess not having any posts to point to as notable is a negative, but yeah he's null.
  
• Cabd: The callout in 665 was good, but having 932 expose some lameness kinda undid that. Nothing really to work off otherwise.
  
• T S O: 765 looks like a good case to me.
  
• Mirhawk: The callout in 133 is good, as is the willingness to admit fault in 198 and the stances in 577. But I don't like 251 (or the rest of that exchange) or 451 ("I'll just keep watching").
  
• TheWayItEnds: 394 566
  
• AngryPidgeon: 335, 349, 380, 512, 742. They all look to be town posts.

So then now:

• townest
  
  
• Izariael
  
  
• AP
  
  
• Cephrir
  
  
• Aegor, T S O, TheWayItEnds
  
  
• Mirhawk
  
  
• Cabd
  
  
• Ki-Gi, Aeronaut, Cabd
  
  
• BBob, MVP, reinoe, DJ
  
  
• scummest

I wouldn't be adverse to hammering MVP. This is not intent yet though.

[Mirhawk]

@Toomai
The 472 you're attributing to DJ was actually said by Aegor.

@MVP
So is there like some kind of reason I shouldn't be hammering you?

Like a claim or something?

[Depraved Justice]

Why do you want to hammer MVP?

[Toomai]

@Toomai
The 472 you're attributing to DJ was actually said by Aegor.

I'm attributing the post to my read on DJ, regardless of who the post belongs to.

[Mirhawk]

@DJ
My other options include you and Toomai.
Besides I already stated why I would be willing to vote MVP. Do you have a question about that?

@Toomai
I'm confused as to how that could be considered a part of your read on DJ.
Are you just using the post to illustrate that DJ was lurking? If so why didn't you just say that.

[Depraved Justice]

@Mirhawk, why do you think we're an option?

@Toonami, AP and IZ are good townreads. The rest, we need to backup and start over. You're looking too much at the WHAT that happened and applying it to what you'd do. Some players fluff naturally. Others do not. The Why is much more telling.

[Izariael]

Also, Iz, you are scum reading my slot for the same reason that everyone else is right?

No, I don't believe I am... I think the common sentiments toward you are "scummy for beetlejuicing and for the Ki-Gi "weird" thing"...? My scumread on you isn't based on either of those events.

My reasons I find you scummy:

#1)

I just plain didn't like your first 2 posts for petty reasons.

#2)

I didn't care for how you discreetly slid onto the Cabd wagon in 42. Even that early in the game, I don't like when no reasons are stated for a vote. I called out T S O on the very thing early in the game.

#3)

I also don't like how you went from voting Cabd to town-reading him in post 519, without ever giving a reason for your townread on him.

#4)

Between 519 and 521 you're townreading the two people currently peaking my scum list; Cabd with no stated reason, and reinoe for the only reason I can see:

I think Reinoe is clearly trolling and even if he's not then I don't really suspect him

#5)

This sequence of events:
A) 856 You unvote MVP when reinoe pushed him to L-1 saying "you're not ready for a claim from MVP yet."
B) 879 You vote reinoe

I am not voting you because of meta Reinoe. I am voting you because your votes suck and I want to see what happens. I don't find it merely coincidental that most rveryone ignored my vote but for your omgus and Toonami.

You mean his vote on the MVP wagon you were just a part of?

You still have not explained your vote on MVP. What was so bad in those two pages?

I do like that you asked him to explain his reasoning, but the fact that you were just voting for MVP and then telling reinoe that his vote on MVP sucks rubs me the wrong way.
C) 927 You were pushing me to vote onto the reinoe wagon. Which, between him and MVP, was my choice regardless, but this is inconsistent with your actions afterward
D) 980 You're suddenly "50/50" on reinoe, and from the discussion 927 and 980 this makes absolutely no sense to me. At all. Then you go and do something even more ridiculous and re-vote MVP:

So I'm moving my vote back to its rightful place.

vote:MVP

But wait? This vote pushes him back to L-1? Well isn't that convenient for you?

#6)

983 While I think questioning the motives behind hammering is a good practice, it's hysterically laughable that you had the audacity to do so just moments after voting MVP to L-1.

[Mirhawk]

@DJ
You probably aren't a lynch candidate for today. I'm saying that I would be willing to lynch you.

You're my secondary scumread. I'm fairly certain I've stated this before.

I would rather lynch Toomai over you, but would rather lynch either of you over MVP.

But unlike you and Toomai, I think MVP is viable.

[Cephrir]

#3) I also don't like how you went from voting Cabd to town-reading him in post 519, without ever giving a reason for your townread on him.

I haven't checked whether this happened (hi my name is Cephrir I'm lazy) but awesome catch.

Izzy is the townest town that ever towned a town, for those of you keeping score at home.

[Depraved Justice]

I like how Iz is pretending we aren't a hydra. but I'll explain everything away here in a min.

[Cephrir]

#5)

This sequence of events:
A) 856 You unvote MVP when reinoe pushed him to L-1 saying "you're not ready for a claim from MVP yet."
B) 879 You vote reinoe

I am not voting you because of meta Reinoe. I am voting you because your votes suck and I want to see what happens. I don't find it merely coincidental that most rveryone ignored my vote but for your omgus and Toonami.

You mean his vote on the MVP wagon you were just a part of?

You still have not explained your vote on MVP. What was so bad in those two pages?

I do like that you asked him to explain his reasoning, but the fact that you were just voting for MVP and then telling reinoe that his vote on MVP sucks rubs me the wrong way.
C) 927 You were pushing me to vote onto the reinoe wagon. Which, between him and MVP, was my choice regardless, but this is inconsistent with your actions afterward
D) 980 You're suddenly "50/50" on reinoe, and from the discussion 927 and 980 this makes absolutely no sense to me. At all. Then you go and do something even more ridiculous and re-vote MVP:

So I'm moving my vote back to its rightful place.

vote:MVP

But wait? This vote pushes him back to L-1? Well isn't that convenient for you?

#6)

983 While I think questioning the motives behind hammering is a good practice, it's hysterically laughable that you had the audacity to do so just moments after voting MVP to L-1.

*logicgasm*

[Izariael]

I like how Iz is pretending we aren't a hydra. but I'll explain everything away here in a min.

Feel free to put your heads together and try to make magic out of poop.

[Depraved Justice]

#1) I just plain didn't like your first 2 posts for petty reasons.

lo siento? I can't fathom how you, AP or Cep would think 38 was defensive. I think its pretty obvious that I'm fucking around here. Like why the fuck would I, as scum, be pissed off or w/e that AP was voting my main and not my hydra?

#2) I didn't care for how you discreetly slid onto the Cabd wagon in 42. Even that early in the game, I don't like when no reasons are stated for a vote. I called out T S O on the very thing early in the game.

It was p2. Obviously a RVS from my other head. I think its really silly to find early RVS votes with no reason scummy. Did you ever call out Toon for his vote with no reason?

#3) I also don't like how you went from voting Cabd to town-reading him in post 519, without ever giving a reason for your townread on him.

and I think scum are piggybacking on your awful argument

but again he was obviously RVSing on p2. Like srs, the idea that he should have a reason to suspect Cabd on p2 is fucking ludicrous.

#4) Between 519 and 521 you're townreading the two people currently peaking my scum list; Cabd with no stated reason, and reinoe for the only reason I can see

Our hydra is scummy for town reading your biggest scum reads?!? I pray to Allah you are scum 'cause if you are town and think this is a viable scumtell then I don't know what to think.

#5) This sequence of events:
A) 856 You unvote MVP when reinoe pushed him to L-1 saying "you're not ready for a claim from MVP yet."
B) 879 You vote reinoe

Yeah just keep ignoring that we are a hydra.

I think MVP is scum. My other head doesn't find MVP as scummy as I do. My other head thinks Ren is pretty scummy. I don't think that Ren is all that scummy. Yeah, its hydra dis, its going to happen. If you want to argue that hydra dis is scummy then be my guest but unless you are claiming that you are a new player (which I doubt you are) then you should know that hydra dis is both common and seen as scummy. So are you saying that hydra dis is scummy?

#6) 983 While I think questioning the motives behind hammering is a good practice, it's hysterically laughable that you had the audacity to do so just moments after voting MVP to L-1.

"Its a good practice but its scummy that did it right after voting him."



This makes no sense whatsoever.

All of MVP is experienced enough to know what to do at l-1. I guess I can't really explain it well but I think that Mir immediately threatening to hammer (implied) with 4 days to dl when MVP isn't his #1 suspect just seems odd to me.

[Depraved Justice]

#5)

This sequence of events:
A) 856 You unvote MVP when reinoe pushed him to L-1 saying "you're not ready for a claim from MVP yet."
B) 879 You vote reinoe

I am not voting you because of meta Reinoe. I am voting you because your votes suck and I want to see what happens. I don't find it merely coincidental that most rveryone ignored my vote but for your omgus and Toonami.

You mean his vote on the MVP wagon you were just a part of?

You still have not explained your vote on MVP. What was so bad in those two pages?

I do like that you asked him to explain his reasoning, but the fact that you were just voting for MVP and then telling reinoe that his vote on MVP sucks rubs me the wrong way.
C) 927 You were pushing me to vote onto the reinoe wagon. Which, between him and MVP, was my choice regardless, but this is inconsistent with your actions afterward
D) 980 You're suddenly "50/50" on reinoe, and from the discussion 927 and 980 this makes absolutely no sense to me. At all. Then you go and do something even more ridiculous and re-vote MVP:

So I'm moving my vote back to its rightful place.

vote:MVP

But wait? This vote pushes him back to L-1? Well isn't that convenient for you?

#6)

983 While I think questioning the motives behind hammering is a good practice, it's hysterically laughable that you had the audacity to do so just moments after voting MVP to L-1.

*logicgasm*

What was so great about this "logic"

[Mirhawk]

All of MVP is experienced enough to know what to do at l-1. I guess I can't really explain it well but I think that Mir immediately threatening to hammer (implied) with 4 days to dl when MVP isn't his #1 suspect just seems odd to me.

I am continually pissed off that people seem to think that having time remaining some kind of terrible thing.

Every lynch made in a games I've played recently that waited till the last minute was a shitty compromise.

We have four days left isn't a valid argument for anything unless you think we're going to make better choices when we're desperate.

[Depraved Justice]

no, MVP is getting lynched today. My gut just doesn't like your 982. MVP is either going to claim or stall. I see no reason to threaten him. Why not let things happen organically?

[Mirhawk]

So I should have said nothing, and hammered him without signaling intent?

[Mirhawk]

You might be able to make an argument that my tone was aggressive.

But I sincerely doubt you can find a way to interpret my post as anything other then.

"Intent to hammer, claim now".

[Izariael]

#1)

lo siento? I can't fathom how you, AP or Cep would think 38 was defensive. I think its pretty obvious that I'm fucking around here. Like why the fuck would I, as scum, be pissed off or w/e that AP was voting my main and not my hydra?

Congratulations, you focused on the one sentence of those two posts that I didn't have a problem with.

#2)

It was p2. Obviously a RVS from my other head. I think its really silly to find early RVS votes with no reason scummy. Did you ever call out Toon for his vote with no reason?

I don't think your votes were the same, therefore I didn't evaluate them with the same conclusion. Toomai's vote seemed RVS because he was playing off of Cabd's words. I found it to be amusing wordplay, nothing more, and it wasn't a vote that concerned me. Your vote, however, pushed a wagon without given reason for why you were joining. If you're pushing a wagon, I want to know a reason for why you're pushing. Is it just pressure to try and get some information? Is it intent to lynch? That's pertinent. That's not RVS in my opinion.

#3)

and I think scum are piggybacking on your awful argument

but again he was obviously RVSing on p2. Like srs, the idea that he should have a reason to suspect Cabd on p2 is fucking ludicrous.

The sentiment of #3 wasn't that he should have had a reason for the vote on page 2 (because that was point #2). The point was that there's a transition in your attitude toward Cabd that went from "Hey I'm jumping on this wagon! Giddy up!" to "ya I think you're town, not gonna be voting for you" with nothing in-between that would show why your opinion on Cabd was changing.

#4)

Our hydra is scummy for town reading your biggest scum reads?!? I pray to Allah you are scum 'cause if you are town and think this is a viable scumtell then I don't know what to think.

You don't think there's any possible scum motivation for subtly townreading fellow scum? When you don't give reasons for your reads it makes it a hard pill to swallow.

#5) This sequence of events:
A) 856 You unvote MVP when reinoe pushed him to L-1 saying "you're not ready for a claim from MVP yet."
B) 879 You vote reinoe

Yeah just keep ignoring that we are a hydra.

I think MVP is scum. My other head doesn't find MVP as scummy as I do. My other head thinks Ren is pretty scummy. I don't think that Ren is all that scummy. Yeah, its hydra dis, its going to happen. If you want to argue that hydra dis is scummy then be my guest but unless you are claiming that you are a new player (which I doubt you are) then you should know that hydra dis is both common and seen as scummy. So are you saying that hydra dis is scummy?

If you want this to be read as hydra discord and not inconsistency, then start signing your damn posts. I'm not going to go through this entire game trying to figure out if it was head A or head B that said this and did that. If you want clarity, then be clear. Sign your damn posts.

#6)

"Its a good practice but its scummy that did it right after voting him."



This makes no sense whatsoever.

All of MVP is experienced enough to know what to do at l-1. I guess I can't really explain it well but I think that Mir immediately threatening to hammer (implied) with 4 days to dl when MVP isn't his #1 suspect just seems odd to me.

You're welcome to not see sense in that conclusion, but I do. You voted MVP, then turned on someone saying the equivalent of "intent to hammer" and act as though their vote is completely unexpected, unfounded and/or unjustified, but your vote pushing it to L-1 certainly shouldn't be questioned? Really? Mirhawk has already said he'd be willing to vote MVP, so stating intent to hammer when MVP's at L-1 isn't alignment-indicative.