NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[ika]

im inclined to lynch rione just to get tos to shut up

[ika]

hey page top

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: even if owls did eat pie i bet it wouldn't be key lime

Votecount 2.4

reinoe [L-4] - Izariael, Toomai, scrambles

Toomai [L-5] - Aegor, reinoe

Aegor [L-6] - ika

T S O [L-6] - T S O

Not Voting [7] - MVP, Cabd, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, AngryPidgeon, Cephrir

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-15 00:00:00)

reinoe is V/LA til Tuesday.

[scrambles]

Oops I guess misspelling a vote doesn't count. Here it is again

vote: reinoe

[Izariael]

listed below

So yeah, like, this is actually a pretty good post?

No, it's really not. I'd threaten you with unflipped associative tells for this, but I'm not reinoe.

The only defence he's offered to my accusation is "lol tso is bad". The only defence anyone else has offered is bullshit examples or noncommitment. Vote reinoe or explain why you're not doing it, and it better be damn good.

What do you mean "defense"? Are you referring to the Information Instead of Analysis that you offered way back when that relied on hyperbole and exaggeration?

I'm not going into a wall war with you when town enthusiasm was already on the brink.

What you're calling IIoA was a better case than you've made against him. I don't think analysis was even needed because the shit you were doing was so inherently scummy. You've been pulling a WIFOM-y "too trolly to be scum" bullshit gambit, and so while I didn't agree with all of T S O's points in that post (I agree with most,) I do think it was very valid.

You might be town, but you're scummy enough that I'll take the chances of you flipping scum.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this.

And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

So by your own rationale, you must be scum.

Are you going somewhere with those questions or are did you just take a template and roll a random number to fill in the player names?

Yes I'm going somewhere with these questions. I'll elaborate when I get and receive answers.

AP called you out on some fluffy questions you asked in 755, and yet you never did this.

Almost 700 posts later, surely you must be scum for not doing this?

Broken promise = scum! by your own rationale. It's a shit read and you know it. Stop shitting down his throat with this dumb read every time he posts.

I'll admit Bob cheers me up and that's another reason to keep him but the quality of people voting him, like MVP and Cephrir, who both are in my top 3 scumreads, makes it pretty obvious this wagon is bullshit. Another reason could be the fact that Bob's explanation is legit.

MVP's jump was also atrocious.

Where's your Cephrir push?

Can't push with no support. MVP-scum had support. Cephrir-scum didn't. This is basic knowledge. Stop grasping at straws.

Ceph's lynch preferences: DJ>Bob>MVP>reinoe

This specifically is why MVP and reinoe deserve death.

Why are you relying on your scumread's scumreads? Makes no fucking sense.

This is a piece of analysis pretty unique to me where I look at a scumread's scumreads, take the 3rd and 4th person, and presume that's where their scumbuddies are because it's easy for scum to put them there but just not push them.

His reasoning made sense to me. I've seen it work before. Do I put any weight in it? No, but I don't have to. You're scummy enough to merit a lynch without it.

unvote
vote: dj

Hey look, now DJ is a scumread and Cephrir is not!

So Cephrir is no longer a scumread because T S O didn't vote him?

What the crap kind of logic is that? You only have one vote at a time. Does that mean we can only have one scumread at a time?

There was like no support for a Cephrir lynch; so a vote for him would have been useless

.

I still don't agree with Toomai or Bob lynches, I still think we should lynch the shit out of {reinoe, Cephrir, MVP}.

And now DJ is not a scumread but Cephrir is again!

But it doesn't really matter because TSO isn't pushing or pressuring his scumreads outside of myself.

Just because he'd rather lynch 3 people ahead of DJ doesn't mean he was no longer scumreading him. DJ had claimed town vig, but you seem to be completely ignoring that in context. Look at post 1283 and tell me T S O wasn't scumreading DJ. I dare you.

But it's okay reinoe, you can threaten me with unflipped associative reads again, or strawman me again as you love to do

[ika]

izar might be scum....

[Izariael]

Might just be my new opinion but tso seems pretty town to me.

You're not the only one.

@T S O:

You keep saying you've been completely discredited, but that's not really the case. I, for one, still give a shit about what you have to say. You're not really doing yourself or town any favors by voting for yourself though, and it's getting to be AtE at this point. Cut the crap and vote reinoe so we can get this scum lynched please. Stop making me question my townread on you by your own actions...

[Izariael]

izar might be scum....

Says the one who swooped into a game and hammered Bob without having read the whole thing. Sorry for not being intimidated by this.

[scrambles]

I feel very strongly town about TWIE TSO and IZA
I feel strongly scum on MVP, AP, REN, MIRHAWK

[GuyInFreezer]

P sure are town

1. Bicephalous Bob

3. MVP (hydra)
4. ika
6. Izariael
7. reinoe

8. Depraved Justice (hydra)

12. T S O
15. AngryPidgeon
@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
Leaning town/lazily sorted town
9. Aegor
2. Toomai
10. Scrambles
14. TheWayItEnds
@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
Haven't townread
5. Cephrir
13. Mirhawk
11. Cabd

Does this look about right, my now disappeared partners?
I think it looks about right.

[scrambles]

Who is guy in freezer and why do you have MVP as town?
Why do you have me in leaning town?

[ika]

izar might be scum....

Says the one who swooped into a game and hammered Bob without having read the whole thing. Sorry for not being intimidated by this.

i glanced through, your response is what iw as lookign for, you look intimidated by it.

[Izariael]

Who is guy in freezer and why do you have MVP as town?
Why do you have me in leaning town?

GIF is part of the MVP hydra... but his partners aren't posting so he's been posting out-of-hydra lately

[scrambles]

ah ok. So why does he have himself as pretty sure town

[TheWayItEnds]

Could people please either post in their hydras or replace them?

So yeah voting analysis. A few things I see:

• First of all, I made an error - reinoe's vote on TSO in Q1 was the third vote on the wagon, not the first.
  
• I noticed this error because of something interesting -
  out of all his nine votes, reinoe never voted a wagon without two votes already on it
  . That smells of scum looking to help viable wagons without having to start them.
  
• I'm not sure how I feel with TWIE's day-long votepark. He asked a lot of questions and gave a lot of content, but there's no indication of him wanting to use his vote.
  
• Mirhawk and TSO also went a long time without voting, but contrary to TWIE, they do continually reinforce their votes.

Nothing else jumps out at me right now. But in accordance with point 2,

Vote: reinoe

I mostly like this post.

I mean I don’t know how much stock I put into 1 day worth of wagon analysis, but I kinda like the conclusions here anyway.

Also, when you do figure out how you feel about my day-long votepark, let me know.

Id lynch Reinoe, Aero, Ika, Mirhawk, as of now. I could be convinced to maybe vote Toomai, Cabd. Talk to me about those people?

What happened to your scumread on me?

It (mostly) went away while I thought about your 1032 over my V/LA. It seemed less important than you guys mislynching Bob when I got back.

Aeronaut didn't replace out of all his games :/

:/

Might just be my new opinion but tso seems pretty town to me.

Not just you. He is.

ah ok. So why does he have himself as pretty sure town

Not the right question. Why does he have dead people on there is a better question.

GiF why did you put dead people on your list?

[reinoe]

im inclined to lynch rione just to get tos to shut up

We could also lynch TSO to get TSO to shut up. Or TSO could just shut up.

Interesting...
Izariael is defending TSO for not "pushing" his Cephrir suspicions because there aren't enough votes.
Toomai is attacking me for voting for people with at least two votes through day one.

Looking at these contradictory comments (even if they are from different people)I can surmise town has given up on scumhunting this game.

Reinoe you fucking coward you ran away when I selfvoted despite insinuating the whole game that I'm scum, yeah?

TSO you're not getting lynched despite your scumminess. Despite you not pushing your scumread on Cephrir. Despite having all those posts this but not doing shit all game. Despite your fake outbursts and AtE. I was expecting to get killed last night so I didn't have to deal with you and Toomai but I wasn't killed.

I didn't want to engage you but since this town doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting let's dance. You wanna get nuts, let's get nuts. I'm ready for a flamewar you dualweilding cock-gobbler.

[reinoe]

Interesting...
Izariael is defending TSO for not "pushing" his Cephrir suspicions because there aren't enough votes.
Toomai is attacking me for voting for people with at least two votes through day one.

Actually one or both of these people are scum.

[Izariael]

Not the right question. Why does he have dead people on there is a better question.

GiF why did you put dead people on your list?

TWIE town vibe just got that much stronger. I didn't even think to comment on that tidbit on first glance. I'm now intrigued as well... Wasn't Bob in MVP's scum team pool?

[Cabd]

Seriously? They have the strikeout tag applied for a reason, people.

[Izariael]

Seriously? They have the strikeout tag applied for a reason, people.

Why have them listed as "P sure are town" and not under a separate "confirmed town" category? It makes it sound like he's accrediting himself for townreading them.

[Cabd]

You've never done the thing where you repost a readslist from a prior day (or a hydra convo) and just color in/strikeout the dead? because that's really common on this site.

[Izariael]

He never stated that it was from hydra convo, but I can see that it could be implied. And this doesn't match the MVP reads from DP1, so there's that.

[ika]

TOS is town reione hes at least willing to listen yours just being a neucance

[Cabd]

(Ignoring of course the possibility it's from a scum PT, I had a theory last night for how the even night thingie made them more likely a town claim but I forgot it.)

[AngryPidgeon]

reinoe is town and I am never voting him.

This is rather confident which I'm having a hard time seeing from you. (Either of you). Did you gunsmith him last night?

Why are you relying on your scumread's scumreads? Makes no fucking sense.

It sort of does if you expect scum to interact with their buddies in a certain way. And listing buddies as null-scum or 'compromise only' lynches is a fairly common way for people to treat buddies. I actually played off mastin's expectations of scum-me in Game of Champions mafia. She started scumreading people that I listed as weak scumreads and hard townreading people I wanted to lynch. The hilarious part was that I was just bussing the everloving crap out of my buddies and coasted to endgame on a BP claim.