NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh Scrambles replaced Aeronaut. Had a weird moment there.

[scrambles]

Just the total lack of you being town in the thread if I'm honest.

Its my secret tell.

The 'secret tell' part sounded like you had a meta read on me or something.

Also I think my town and scum play are fairly starkly different and you nailed me correctly in NY (172?).

Trying to figure out where you are going with this.

I thought it was pretty obvious what he meant by "secret tell". Why did you jump to some other conclusion?

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought it was pretty obvious what he meant by "secret tell". Why did you jump to some other conclusion?

Just looking at this quote, I can't even remember what it was.

So no its not obvious. I hazarded a guess for fun.

[scrambles]

Sorry im just rereading now that I understand who is who now. Was really hard reading with so many players im not familiar with.

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: who can meet a toucan?

Votecount 2.11

reinoe [L-5] - Izariael, Toomai

Toomai [L-5] - Aegor, reinoe

Cephrir [L-6] - ika

T S O [L-6] - T S O

MVP [L-6] -scrambles

Not Voting [7] - MVP, Cabd, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, AngryPidgeon, Cephrir

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-15 00:00:00).

reinoe is sort of not about this life til Thursday.

[TheWayItEnds]

What bothers me about it isn't that there's information I don't know; it's that they're going out of their way to say they have information cryptically. I don't understand why Cabd would have such a level trust with AP where he could tell him this information but no one else, or how that information is doing anything at the moment by being concealed. Neither of them has done anything since their exchange, it's just sitting there uselessly.

Out of curiosity, what did you think of the exchange Ceph and I had a page or 2 ago?

Yes! This game finally started! Aegor, Mirhawk, CABD and TheWayItEnds, pleasure to be playing with you again. The rest of you... hey there.


VOTE: Toomai

Your move, Chief.

It's too bad I don't get to play with this guy. He seems like a cool dude. Not sure why he'd replace out since he looked so excited to be playing.

Aero's a cool guy. eh lynches scum and doesnt afraid of anything.

(you're aware this is your slot right? This is an odd thing to say about your own slot.)

Is mastin a she?

This cant possibly be relevant.

[AngryPidgeon]

(you're aware this is your slot right? This is an odd thing to say about your own slot.)

Ya, I think I read that post and I defaulted to thinking that Aero was the other replacement because it looked like he was wondering someone else grew disinterested and repalced out (presumably due to having a scum role PM). Then I realized that was his own slot and I lol'd.

[AngryPidgeon]

wondering if*

[AngryPidgeon]

This cant possibly be relevant.

Don't mind mastin distancing from her alt account.

[TheWayItEnds]

I actually literally thought that when he replaced in.

But he inned to replace a game mastin was signed up for I think.

[scrambles]

Twie
do you think its odd that m irhawk said he'd be watching bob yet vote parked toomie the rest of the day?

[Aegor]

i want to see your giant wall post. you constantly harp on MVP for most thread but keep moving to toon. to me its jsut guts scum read. but maybe your wall will make me think otherwise

Have I been unclear in my preferences for lynches? I have tried to be transparent.

@iz:

I have played with reinoe before; he often trolls. I therefore did not feel the need to push him in particular this game, especially given that I had two other players I wanted dead.

[ika]

i want to see your giant wall post. you constantly harp on MVP for most thread but keep moving to toon. to me its jsut guts scum read. but maybe your wall will make me think otherwise

Have I been unclear in my preferences for lynches? I have tried to be transparent.

@iz:

I have played with reinoe before; he often trolls. I therefore did not feel the need to push him in particular this game, especially given that I had two other players I wanted dead.

somewhat, it just irks me cus i feel like there is something more that im missing...

[ika]

its transparent by the convos that took place but whatever

[Mirhawk]

I was pretty ambivalent with regards to Aeronaught, Ika seems way more town then his predecessor though.

This is apparently completely backwards. As Ika was ki-gi before.

Was it really though? We never did get a claim out of him as we did with MVP at L-1. The posts he made when his wagon was at L-3 were more of the same useless spam, and 4 votes (Bob, Toomai, DJ, Bob) so I don't think he was acting in a manner that suggests he was really feeling any pressure.

I'm not sure why this is relevant. Putting pressure on players simply for the sake of garnering claims is bad play. I usually find it more curious when players claim before they're at L-1, so I'm not sure why it's suspicious that he didn't claim at L-3.

I see.
Well honestly I'm planning to get myself autolynched Day 3 regardless of my reports if my claim is still suspicious until then. My usefulness as a claimed even-night gunsmith is complete after tonight anyway.
That's part of the reason I posted that readlist out of the blue.

This post is incredibly shitty. If you're town then this is basically advocating what you would have to know would be a mislynch on a PR. I still don't think you should be lynched today, but this totally reads as a sleazy bid for towncred.

Twie
do you think its odd that m irhawk said he'd be watching bob yet vote parked toomie the rest of the day?

Shouldn't you be questioning me as to why I did this instead of hunting around to see if anyone else will bite?

[scrambles]

I was pretty ambivalent with regards to Aeronaught, Ika seems way more town then his predecessor though.

This is apparently completely backwards. As Ika was ki-gi before.

Was it really though? We never did get a claim out of him as we did with MVP at L-1. The posts he made when his wagon was at L-3 were more of the same useless spam, and 4 votes (Bob, Toomai, DJ, Bob) so I don't think he was acting in a manner that suggests he was really feeling any pressure.

I'm not sure why this is relevant. Putting pressure on players simply for the sake of garnering claims is bad play. I usually find it more curious when players claim before they're at L-1, so I'm not sure why it's suspicious that he didn't claim at L-3.

I see.
Well honestly I'm planning to get myself autolynched Day 3 regardless of my reports if my claim is still suspicious until then. My usefulness as a claimed even-night gunsmith is complete after tonight anyway.
That's part of the reason I posted that readlist out of the blue.

This post is incredibly shitty. If you're town then this is basically advocating what you would have to know would be a mislynch on a PR. I still don't think you should be lynched today, but this totally reads as a sleazy bid for towncred.

Twie
do you think its odd that m irhawk said he'd be watching bob yet vote parked toomie the rest of the day?

Shouldn't you be questioning me as to why I did this instead of hunting around to see if anyone else will bite?

I was actually asking because I made the post already and it was ignored in favor of asking why I wondered about mastin. TWIE asked how my post was relevant, so I wanted to know if he found any of my posts relevant. Maybe you should have asked what I was doing as well.

[T S O]

yeah Cabd just if you actually get shit done as scum; that's an incredibly basic question, I guess, but basically do you run the game or somewhat sit back?

[T S O]

big ceph I'll respond tonight

[Cabd]

yeah Cabd just if you actually get shit done as scum; that's an incredibly basic question, I guess, but basically do you run the game or somewhat sit back?

I tend to do more "active" work as scum than as town actually. Scumcabd in larges tries to find the most influential town (used to be ffery, usually) and shape their reads from the get go to fit his agenda. A good example of this was new york 165, where I pretty much infiltrated the townblock before it was even fully formed.

[scrambles]

1538 1723 1735
Does that count as beetlejuice?

[Izariael]

Out of curiosity, what did you think of the exchange Ceph and I had a page or 2 ago?

I didn't really think much of it. I'm not exactly sure what the conclusion you drew from the exchange was, but it seemed to be about Aero's slot. You guys weren't going out of your way to be needlessly cryptic so it doesn't really irk me in the way Cabd/AP's exchange did.

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Cabd, perhaps you'd be willing to answer me this, so I can feel a bit better about your exchange. Why did you choose to specify where the content could be found (pokegym.net), but then get very cryptic about the content being discussed? Would it not have been easier to speak plainly about that set-up speculation, and just not state which off-site source it came from? If people don't know it's off-site meta or where it could be found off-site, then it would be incredibly difficult to stay ahead of you and know where you're going with it. The fact that you and AP may not have even reached the same conclusion makes the first method seem not only more impractical but also more unproductive, and the fact that you're intentionally making extra work for others feels like you're throwing out red herrings rather than actually providing any helpful input.

[scrambles]

@izzy
I was actually wondering that myself, but was more interested in seeing who out there would actually try and figure it out.

[Izariael]

Was it really though? We never did get a claim out of him as we did with MVP at L-1. The posts he made when his wagon was at L-3 were more of the same useless spam, and 4 votes (Bob, Toomai, DJ, Bob) so I don't think he was acting in a manner that suggests he was really feeling any pressure.

I'm not sure why this is relevant. Putting pressure on players simply for the sake of garnering claims is bad play. I usually find it more curious when players claim before they're at L-1, so I'm not sure why it's suspicious that he didn't claim at L-3.

I wasn't voting just to get a claim. I was voting to lynch. But a claim would have made me feel a lot better about his wagon disbanding as suddenly as it did. Instead, we got nothing out of it except scummy reinoe flying under the radar.

I didn't/don't think it's suspicious that reinoe didn't claim at L-3. I tend to agree that early claims are unnecessary and I have a knee-jerk reaction to them, but it's somewhat situational. I was noting that his behavior showed he wasn't really feeling any pressure. He was posting the same useless crap as he was posting before the wagon. On second glance though, I don't think that my initial assessment there was an accurate statement though.

Looking back at the votecounts from that timeframe, I think it

strongly suggests

that reinoe was pushing various wagons to try and counter his own and/or push for mislynch, which could be indicative of feeling pressure, and more likely of being scum. Look at reinoe's votes in Toomai's 1434. Post 1080 is where goodmorning posted the votecount with the reinoe wagon in the lead at L-3. Between then and the time that his wagon was completely disbanded, he joined 3 other wagons, each with active momentum.

#1: Bob Wagon (1077; votecount @ 1080)

#2: Toomai Wagon (1098; votecount @ 1121)

Read the two comments that came right before his vote swap. reinoe then changes his vote to the next-biggest wagon.

#3: DJ Wagon (1194; no votecount available to list this)
Ceph and T S O voted DJ at 1177 and 1192 respectively. He gave no reason to voting DJ, but his vote came moments before DJ claimed town vig because of the wagon's momentum... and now DJ is dead. Nero and Titus clearly disagreed on reinoe shot, but the fact remains that reinoe was in that vig pool.

#4: Bob Wagon (1210; votecount @ 1232)
Onto the big wagon. Gotta get that mislynch rolling.

[Toomai]

I just realized that pretty much no-one called out reinoe for declaring V/LA in this game but no others. I know it's usually disingenuous to question someone's V/LA, but I've never seen one explicitly stated to be single-game, and I don't see how taking a V/LA helps to "avoid a flame war" (since if it's really that bad, it'll just happen upon return). I don't like it.

[Izariael]

I just realized that pretty much no-one called out reinoe for declaring V/LA in this game but no others. I know it's usually disingenuous to question someone's V/LA, but I've never seen one explicitly stated to be single-game, and I don't see how taking a V/LA helps to "avoid a flame war" (since if it's really that bad, it'll just happen upon return). I don't like it.

It's been addressed briefly by T S O and Cephrir (1631/1637)

Personally, I think reinoe is avoiding what he sees as a losing argument. But I think he's scum and admit to probable bias. I'm regarding it as null for that reason.