NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: can two meet a toucan?

Votecount 2.13

reinoe [L-5] - Izariael, Toomai

Toomai [L-6] - Aegor

scrambles [L-6] - ika

T S O [L-6] - T S O

ika [L-6] -scrambles

Cephrir [L-6] - reinoe

Not Voting [6] - MVP, Cabd, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, AngryPidgeon, Cephrir

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-15 00:00:00).

scrambles is V/LA for 2 weeks

[scrambles]

Plus TWIE you're my strongest townread at the moment so I trust what you have to say.

[scrambles]

ika vs scrambles is boring.

Really? That's too bad.
To me it looked like he violated about half a dozen scumtells during the exchange.

[reinoe]

scum:Toomai, TSO, Cephrir

Could be scum fooling everyone:CABD, IZARIAEL

[reinoe]

Plus TWIE you're my strongest townread at the moment so I trust what you have to say.

Serious question: what are your thoughts on people trusting what their scumreads have to say?

[Izariael]

Wait, did I scumread you for that? Why don't you read the post you're getting overly defensive about again...

Sorry, I must be making really brash assumptions since

every time you've pointed out someone (T S O) not following up on something, it's been a scumread

.

I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And yet you're STILL not doing this. You're fucking stalling and not doing anything.

Can we get more votes on TSO please. kthanx.

Hey reinoe you realize that you spamming vote TSO over and over is the same thing as him saying you're scum over and over right?

Like those are functionally identical actions?

I've also called Toomai scum and explained why and called Depraved Justice or MVP scum and explained why. Your attempts to try and discredit the TSO case is noted.

Also TSO has said he would do things that he has not done and nobody is batting and eye.

He's fucking stalling and isn't doing anything this game.

No, I'm bringing it to the town's attention that he's not doing what he says he's going to do because he's not doing shit this game. Of course I'm operating under the assumption that town is reading this game and saying to themselves "wow TSO DID say he was going to do x, y, z and he hasn't done it". Of course I'm operating under the assumption that town wants to move the game forward and when someone doesn't do what they say they're going to do after nearly 48 hrs despite constant posting, that's

a clear indication that they aren't trying to solve the game.

Hey TSO 48 hrs; and still no pro-activity.

Instead you give us that fake frustration bullshit.

Like I don't know

how many more scumtells TSO has to give off

before he gets lynched.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this.

And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

And it's funny you find this so scummy, because as I've pointed out before, you've done the exact same thing.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this.

And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

So by your own rationale, you must be scum.

Are you going somewhere with those questions or are did you just take a template and roll a random number to fill in the player names?

Yes I'm going somewhere with these questions. I'll elaborate when I get and receive answers.

AP called you out on some fluffy questions you asked in 755, and yet you never did this.

Almost 700 posts later, surely you must be scum for not doing this?

Broken promise = scum! by your own rationale. It's a shit read and you know it. Stop shitting down his throat with this dumb read every time he posts.

So to quote yourself:

Thanks for accidentally confessing to your hypocrisy then.

[reinoe]

Wait, did I scumread you for that? Why don't you read the post you're getting overly defensive about again...

Sorry, I must be making really brash assumptions since

every time you've pointed out someone (T S O) not following up on something, it's been a scumread

.

I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And yet you're STILL not doing this. You're fucking stalling and not doing anything.

Can we get more votes on TSO please. kthanx.

Hey reinoe you realize that you spamming vote TSO over and over is the same thing as him saying you're scum over and over right?

Like those are functionally identical actions?

I've also called Toomai scum and explained why and called Depraved Justice or MVP scum and explained why. Your attempts to try and discredit the TSO case is noted.

Also TSO has said he would do things that he has not done and nobody is batting and eye.

He's fucking stalling and isn't doing anything this game.

No, I'm bringing it to the town's attention that he's not doing what he says he's going to do because he's not doing shit this game. Of course I'm operating under the assumption that town is reading this game and saying to themselves "wow TSO DID say he was going to do x, y, z and he hasn't done it". Of course I'm operating under the assumption that town wants to move the game forward and when someone doesn't do what they say they're going to do after nearly 48 hrs despite constant posting, that's

a clear indication that they aren't trying to solve the game.

Hey TSO 48 hrs; and still no pro-activity.

Instead you give us that fake frustration bullshit.

Like I don't know

how many more scumtells TSO has to give off

before he gets lynched.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this.

And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

And it's funny you find this so scummy, because as I've pointed out before, you've done the exact same thing.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this.

And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

So by your own rationale, you must be scum.

Are you going somewhere with those questions or are did you just take a template and roll a random number to fill in the player names?

Yes I'm going somewhere with these questions. I'll elaborate when I get and receive answers.

AP called you out on some fluffy questions you asked in 755, and yet you never did this.

Almost 700 posts later, surely you must be scum for not doing this?

Broken promise = scum! by your own rationale. It's a shit read and you know it. Stop shitting down his throat with this dumb read every time he posts.

So to quote yourself:

Thanks for accidentally confessing to your hypocrisy then.

For somebody who's supposed to be really busy you sure do have a lot of time to focus on things besides those ISO's.

[scrambles]

Plus TWIE you're my strongest townread at the moment so I trust what you have to say.

Serious question: what are your thoughts on people trusting what their scumreads have to say?

Can you explain the question a bit more? Do you mean like, people who are relentless in pursuing players whom they think are scum? Or do you mean just in general people relying on leads to get them through?

My answer to the first q would be that it's too intangible to question someone's scumread until we either know what they know, or we see a flip. But in general, I don't trust players who scumread a couple players and never go after anyone else.
My answer to the second would be that people who rely on their reads being correct are generally players who are trying to create a foundation. Kinda like starting a puzzle by creating the framework first.

[Mirhawk]

Looking back at the votecounts from that timeframe, I think it

strongly suggests

that reinoe was pushing various wagons to try and counter his own and/or push for mislynch, which could be indicative of feeling pressure, and more likely of being scum. Look at reinoe's votes in Toomai's 1434. Post 1080 is where goodmorning posted the votecount with the reinoe wagon in the lead at L-3. Between then and the time that his wagon was completely disbanded, he joined 3 other wagons, each with active momentum.

This is a legitimate concern. If reinoe was hopping any wagon to try and get heat off him that's actually scummy. I don't find the rest of your case on reinoe very compelling, but this is a good point.

1533, 1723, 1735
It's about mirhawk, who showed up in 1739

The only time I haven't posted every day was when I was V/LA. I'm not as prolific as many of the other players, but I am here.
I'm pretty sure to be beetlejuiceing I would have had to be lurking in the first place.

This post is incredibly shitty.
Thats not a bid for towncred, thats him being realistic.

Wrong, it's antitown play and he's looking for town players to try and talk him down from that position.
He's talking about selfvoting, there is no way a town PR should even consider not going down swinging.

Maybe you should ask people who arent currently scumreading Mirhawk how they felt about it instead?

This is precisely the problem I had with it.

[scrambles]

But you were online. And as proof you responded to another post just before the last one.

[ika]

ika vs scrambles is boring.

Really? That's too bad.
To me it looked like he violated about half a dozen scumtells during the exchange.

can you name them all so i can scoff and laugh?

[Mirhawk]

But you were online. And as proof you responded to another post just before the last one.

This is addressed to me right?

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, could you clarify it a little.

Proof of what, why is the other post important.

[Mirhawk]

And which other post.

[scrambles]

Chainsaw
Rolefishing
wifom
straw man
Caution
inconsistency

I can link them to the specific examples if you'd like

[scrambles]

@Mir
Yeah it was directed at you.
evidencing post 1701
commented on the cabd cryptic exchange.

You clearly were caught up, but only commented on the third time I'd mentioned you.

[Cephrir]

Caution is not a scumtell.

[ika]

Chainsaw
1)Rolefishing
2)wifom
3)straw man
4)Caution
5)inconsistency

I can link them to the specific examples if you'd like

1) guilty but do it anyway
2) thats just you tbh
3) do it al the time
4) not really if i wanted to be catuus i would be much diffrent
5) dont care about being consitent

[ika]

wait can i add in bad gramer being one?

[TheWayItEnds]

If I get run up to L-1 I'm going to say the same thing I said in that post. Hope that clarifies everything.

You better have attempted to shoot at this DJ.

Can you clarify this?

Yeah. If we get to post game, and DJ's submitted night action was anything other than "Vig: Reinoe", I'm going to be kinda upset at Nero and Titus.

The first post wasn't addressed to you. I was just curious why you would feel the need to point out a post as being unecessary when you clearly didn't care about my other posts.
On top of which, I didn't follow up with you because I wanted to know how you felt about mirhawk. I wanted to genuinely know if his voteparking seemed off. Meta here is much different than on my site. In my experience, pushing lynches or goading other players without personal action is usually something that scum do.

I felt like it was necessary because your posts went like this.

On-topic post
On-topic post
On-topic post
Is mastin a she?
other mastin post.
On-topic post
On-topic post

Guess which ones stood out as strange, given that mastin isnt even in this game for you to see her pronoun.

So thats the one I commented on.

As far as the rest of the post goes, acting like I don't care about a post because I didnt comment on it is disingenuous.
There are a thousand reasons I dont comment on posts.

In this case those reasons were
A. I'm already scumreading Mirhawk.
B. I wanted to see if 1724 had any affect on your read from 1723 and asking you about it before I know you've moved on to something else is the best way to not get that.

Also asking me how I feel about someone vote parking yesterday is... interesting.

Plus TWIE you're my strongest townread at the moment so I trust what you have to say.

You're aware that you just described the scum meta of your site?
And that you disliked Mirhawk's vote parking?

And you're also aware that I only placed 1 vote yesterday all day?

How are you hard townreading me?

[Cephrir]

hey ceph

what do you think of reinoe saying he didn't want a wallwar, then saying he'd be cool with a flamewar, then making #1603

Reviewing stuff I've missed this pops up. The only questions TSO asks Cephrir are at best buddying. Yet TSO has been calling Cephrir scum all the live long day. With something like 11 other players TSO could have directed this question to, why does he choose his scumread? I'd say TSO is almost buddying Ceph at this point, despite all those accusation that Ceph is supposed to be scum.

Nope. Not even remotely.

Besides, L-3 was plenty of pressure on reinoe.

Was it really though? We never did get a claim out of him as we did with MVP at L-1.

I claimed in my second post. You're an asshole.

BTW, I may be a cop and I may not be a cop. The important thing is that when scum read this post they're going to be paranoid and maybe have to shoot me tonight just to be safe. K TANX BYE!

I haven't claimed anything.

Amazing. So much WIFOM here. Is this a claim or not? Be clear now reinoe.

If I get run up to L-1 I'm going to say the same thing I said in that post. Hope that clarifies everything.

VOTE: reinoe

[Cephrir]

TSO.

You have skipped over me asking you why I'm scum like FIVE TIMES.

Let's play "see how big a quoteblock I can make of this before you stop ignoring it".

[TheWayItEnds]

This post is incredibly shitty.
Thats not a bid for towncred, thats him being realistic.

Wrong, it's antitown play and he's looking for town players to try and talk him down from that position.
He's talking about selfvoting, there is no way a town PR should even consider not going down swinging.

Because expecting as a claimed even night PR to stay alive 2 additional Day/Nights to attempt to use a PR a second time is realistic right?

Maybe you should ask people who arent currently scumreading Mirhawk how they felt about it instead?

This is precisely the problem I had with it.

That didnt at all appear to be the problem you had with it when you responded to it a couple pages ago.

[scrambles]

Chainsaw
1)Rolefishing
2)wifom
3)straw man
4)Caution
5)inconsistency

I can link them to the specific examples if you'd like

1) guilty but do it anyway
2) thats just you tbh
3) do it al the time
4) not really if i wanted to be catuus i would be much diffrent
5) dont care about being consitent

2 the wifom was when you said "I could have simply just done this". I mean yeah, you could have but you didn't. Not my job to guess what you would or wouldn't have done.
4 the cautiousness was that you were accusing me of things yet admitted that you weren't actually scumreading me. That doesn't fall in line with your reckless behavior up to that point.

Also, you missed the chainsaw. but whatever, at least you admitted to most of them. I thought you wouldv'e fought me on more than just two of them.

[scrambles]

Caution is not a scumtell.

Caution despite recklessness IS.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well this exploded.