NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[Izariael]

If you have a problem with scrambles scumread on you why don't you take it up with him?

I'm not sure why you think I should be questioning scumreads that you don't like.

I was making a point. You were disgruntled that I posted townreads with no reasons attached, and yet never batted an eye when scrambles scumread me without a reason. It's a double-standard.

I'm not sure why you think I should be questioning townreads that you don't like.

[scrambles]

I can tell you that I have a town scan on Mirhawk, soooo

[scrambles]

Soo both you and cephalopods and whoever else are looking mighty suspicious right now.
really trying for that easy lynch and that bandwagoning. Just wow. Shameless.

[scrambles]

Izy, cephalopods, toomai, and...maybe tso?

[goodmorning]

seagulls are cowards

Votecount 3.13

Toomai [L-2] - scrambles, Aegor, Mirhawk, Cabd

Mirhawk [L-2] - TheWayItEnds, Izariael, Toomai, Cephrir

Not Voting [3] - T S O, AngryPidgeon, ika

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-18 20:00:00).

[Mirhawk]

I was making a point. You were disgruntled that I posted townreads with no reasons attached, and yet never batted an eye when scrambles scumread me without a reason. It's a double-standard.

Disgruntled? I asked you a question about a townread because I didn't understand how you could have it.

Scrambles has a reason to scumread you. The core of my arguement is that its impossible to have a read without a reason.

I didn't ask for Scrambles reason because at this juncture his reason is unimportant to me.

You're free to think of that as a double standard if you want. I'd love to hear you explain why having double standards makes someone scum.

I'm not sure why you think I should be questioning townreads that you don't like.

Your sass would work better if that was actually a thing I asked you to do.

[scrambles]

Pointing out double standards is such a scummy way to create suspicion.

[TheWayItEnds]

Soo both you and cephalopods and whoever else are looking mighty suspicious right now.
really trying for that easy lynch and that bandwagoning. Just wow. Shameless.

Izy, cephalopods, toomai, and...maybe tso?

....uh.

Why are those people suspicious for joining my wagon and not me for starting it?


Also...

GM Ceph is voting Mirhawk as of 2288.

Fixed.

[T S O]

Izy, cephalopods, toomai, and...maybe tso?

wha?

[Izariael]

Pointing out a double standard != scumread. Both of you are putting words in my mouth by saying I'm using this as a scumtell. I'm not.

Just because I'm voting for Mirhawk doesn't mean that everything I say to him is a scumread...

Scrambles has a reason to scumread you. The core of my arguement is that its impossible to have a read without a reason.

I don't understand how you can be saying my townread has no reason

when I've posted my reasons before

, and yet say that scrambles has a reason to scumread me when

he's never posted a reason

. You literally can't argue both points.

Also, why is scrambles' reason unimportant to you? Is it just because he agrees with you that I'm scum? I find it unsettling that his first mention of the possibility that I'm scum came right after you made mention of it. I don't care if he's scumreading me, but the way he's gone about doing it is questionable to me. The fact that you don't care about his reason or method of doing so is curious to me given your stance on my townread.

At this point, it's Scum-Izzy wondering why town-Mirhawk is choosing to ignore town-scrambles, so I doubt anything I say here will have much impact on your interaction with him.

I can tell you that I have a town scan on Mirhawk, soooo

I'm gonna need more info to believe this one, because right now I don't. Spit it out.

really trying for that easy lynch

Says the one on a Toomai wagon. If I was trying for an easy lynch I would have just voted Toomai and ika would hammer.

Oh but wait, I'm scum-Izzy and scum-Toomai is my partner. Shit. I forgot I'm not supposed to be revealing my partners via associative tells! I've been doing it all game!

[ika]

@izar, if we get one scum flip i can usally peg asscoitve tells and unaligneds jsyk

[Cephrir]

Fence sitting is a Cephrir tell. Suck it up.

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

[Mirhawk]

Pointing out a double standard != scumread. Both of you are putting words in my mouth by saying I'm using this as a scumtell. I'm not.

Just because I'm voting for Mirhawk doesn't mean that everything I say to him is a scumread...

Scrambles has a reason to scumread you. The core of my arguement is that its impossible to have a read without a reason.

I don't understand how you can be saying my townread has no reason

when I've posted my reasons before

, and yet say that scrambles has a reason to scumread me when

he's never posted a reason

. You literally can't argue both points.

Also, why is scrambles' reason unimportant to you? Is it just because he agrees with you that I'm scum? I find it unsettling that his first mention of the possibility that I'm scum came right after you made mention of it. I don't care if he's scumreading me, but the way he's gone about doing it is questionable to me. The fact that you don't care about his reason or method of doing so is curious to me given your stance on my townread.

At this point, it's Scum-Izzy wondering why town-Mirhawk is choosing to ignore town-scrambles, so I doubt anything I say here will have much impact on your interaction with him.

If you're not using it as a scumread why did you bring it up? The phrase double standard has negative connotations associated with it. So if its not a part of your case why mention it. Aside from trying to make me look worse that is.

I acknowledged your reason, are you saying that reason isn't the actual reason for your read? Or are you just cherry picking my responses. Also how could I possibly be accusing you of having no reasons. I've repeatedly stated that its impossible to not have reasons.

I'm not sure why you expect scrambles reasons to be so important to me. I'm pretty obviously not grilling every player in the game for reasons behind their reads.

I'm kind of perturbed that you keep trying to drag this into an argument over scrambles. If you have a scumread on him how about you pursue it directly instead of trying to make me argue in his defense.

[Mirhawk]

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

That would be me.

[ika]

Fence sitting is a Cephrir tell. Suck it up.

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

so are you saying lynchign you today is not a myslynch?

[T S O]

Fence sitting is a Cephrir tell. Suck it up.

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

so are you saying lynchign you today is not a myslynch?

I somewhat think Cephrir is scum, but even I find this ridiculous.

[Izariael]

Pointing out a double standard != scumread. Both of you are putting words in my mouth by saying I'm using this as a scumtell. I'm not.

Just because I'm voting for Mirhawk doesn't mean that everything I say to him is a scumread...

Scrambles has a reason to scumread you. The core of my arguement is that its impossible to have a read without a reason.

I don't understand how you can be saying my townread has no reason

when I've posted my reasons before

, and yet say that scrambles has a reason to scumread me when

he's never posted a reason

. You literally can't argue both points.

Also, why is scrambles' reason unimportant to you? Is it just because he agrees with you that I'm scum? I find it unsettling that his first mention of the possibility that I'm scum came right after you made mention of it. I don't care if he's scumreading me, but the way he's gone about doing it is questionable to me. The fact that you don't care about his reason or method of doing so is curious to me given your stance on my townread.

At this point, it's Scum-Izzy wondering why town-Mirhawk is choosing to ignore town-scrambles, so I doubt anything I say here will have much impact on your interaction with him.

If you're not using it as a scumread why did you bring it up? The phrase double standard has negative connotations associated with it. So if its not a part of your case why mention it. Aside from trying to make me look worse that is.

At this point I'm dropping it. I had read your 2296 as a way of implying that my townread had no reasons attached to it, when I'd already previously stated my reasons. I saw it as a discredit to my read on the basis that it had no reasons. Then I saw scrambles sitting there on a scumread that he hadn't posted reasons for, and you had no reaction to it.

It literally made me go like

I acknowledged your reason, are you saying that reason isn't the actual reason for your read? Or are you just cherry picking my responses. Also how could I possibly be accusing you of having no reasons.

I've repeatedly stated that its impossible to not have reasons.

I'm admitting that it was a misread on my part on post 2296. I went back yet again after reading this post and saw that this was indeed the case. And I agree, it's impossible to not have reasons. I've drilled others for it before (e.g. T S O and DJ on day 1)

I'm not sure why you expect scrambles reasons to be so important to me. I'm pretty obviously not grilling every player in the game for reasons behind their reads.

I'm kind of perturbed that you keep trying to drag this into an argument over scrambles. If you have a scumread on him how about you pursue it directly instead of trying to make me argue in his defense.

scrambles was used because he was the most recent example of someone arbitrarily throwing a read out without stating a reason. [insert any ika read] or Cabd's AP townread would have equally sufficed as an example in his place. It wasn't who provided the read, it was the read itself (no reasons attached) that I was using as an example. The example itself is rather moot given the above. Do I think his read flip on me is scummy? Probably, but my stance on it was unrelated to the example it was providing.

[Izariael]

Cabd's AP townread

To clarify, I was referring to this one:

Yesterday you were going on about some big thing you were going to test overnight.

What was that about, where did it go?

It happened, and AP's town.

Cabd's mentioned a couple of AP townreads from time to time, but this one where he pushes it a bit further without providing details fit the bill of what I was using as example.

[Aegor]

Not willing to give up on Toomai wagon yet. Iz comes off much better than Mirhawk in the recent exchange; questioning the desire for players to provide reasons makes no sense.

[scrambles]

Sure twie you can be in the s cumgroup too.
ive been thinking you were town based on your participation and logic but I could see those being traits of an experienced mafia as well.

[scrambles]

Hmm maybe izy is the better lynch here

unvote
vote izy

[TheWayItEnds]

Sure twie you can be in the s cumgroup too.
ive been thinking you were town based on your participation and logic but I could see those being traits of an experienced mafia as well.

This is super solid.

As is the subsequent switch off of Toom onto a vanity wagon with 3 days left.

Very helpful.

[ika]

toon/scamble scums?

[Cephrir]

Fence sitting is a Cephrir tell. Suck it up.

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

so are you saying lynchign you today is not a myslynch?

If you were going to nitpick, the appropriate person to nitpick would be Mirhawk's post above this where he appears to admit to knowing I'm town

[ika]

Fence sitting is a Cephrir tell. Suck it up.

I think someone just wants to mislynch me tomorrow.

so are you saying lynchign you today is not a myslynch?

If you were going to nitpick, the appropriate person to nitpick would be Mirhawk's post above this where he appears to admit to knowing I'm town

actulay i was trolling you with it. i quit reading the thread and resorted to trolling it while i wait on things.