Mini 455 - Mafia in Theoville - Game Over who won?

[Guardian]

NanoS, I think it is typical to breadcrumb early; breadcrumbing midgame would suggest (to me, at least) that I was scum that thought of doing it later, and was not doing it because I am a cop.

This is a hard point for me to get across, because I don't find Nanook particularly scummy. But I am not at all tied to or married to Nanook. If Nanook acts scummy then we should lynch him. If he acts townlike, then we should not. People keep bringing up a tie between Nanook and I, and I want to make it clear that no such tie exists; if he turns up scum I don't want people rehashing Adel's theory on me.

Erotomachia, I see where you are coming from on saying Kelly checking the setup makes two cops plausible, but outguessing the mod always seems to work out badly. I don't understand you going beyond that and defending YB though; why do you not want to hold him up to public scrutiny? If it looks like he is town, then I might buy, at least temporarily, that there are indeed two cops in the game. Be if not, I can definitely see him as scum fake claiming. Two cops in a mini normal is indeed rare.

ChaosOmega, I still want your thoughts on DogMom and YB. BM, I still want to hear what you think about Adel.

[Adel]

FoA: Guardian

Finger of acquittal. I withdraw my earlier suspicions and accusations. Unless Battlemage develops some

really

compelling reason why my original Nanook+Guardian scumpair theory is correct, Guardian is now on my lowest tier of suspicion.

If anyone can find something compelling in his post history, please share it. I do not see any major tells.

[Guardian]

Guardian, if NanookTheWolf is town, he has just as much right to be irritated with you as you do with him. You going out of your way to say "I think he's town because he wouldn't have done that" just paints a target on his back if he

is

. See, telling everyone "hey -- I probably won't be willing to lynch so and so because I think they're town" means that scum won't want that person around. They prefer to leave people alive who might be lynched (which goes back to my first point)...so vocalizing belief in others isn't what town should be doing at this point -- save that for endgame.

Town are looking for scum. If you think you've identified town -- great, but keep a lid on it unless they're about to be lynched.

Adel, I made the mistake of fingering Nanook as town earlier in the game. At least two or three more people have followed in my blundering footsteps, calling people very likely town or whatnot, and I or others have chastised them for it. And then you finger of acquittal me?

I mean, thanks for the FoA, I find it reasonable for you to

think

that, but why

post

it? The only reason for a player to do this at this point is because they have not been reading the thread carefully at all (which I don't believe is true in your case) or because they are scum trying to make a friend. Please explain the FoA .

[Adel]

My rationale is that I am trying to reduce the signal to noise ratio. That is why I chose the words, "I withdraw my earlier suspicions and accusations." I now think the noise I generated in your direction earlier was mostly noise. Knowing my luck, the act of me trying to reduce noise will only add to it. I gotta try though

Is that enough of an explanation for you?

[Erotomachia]

I don't understand you going beyond that and defending YB though; why do you not want to hold him up to public scrutiny? If it looks like he is town, then I might buy, at least temporarily, that there are indeed two cops in the game. Be if not, I can definitely see him as scum fake claiming. Two cops in a mini normal is indeed rare.

Well, I figure it might be more valuable to keep YogurtBandit around today and see what happens during the night. That way we can also see what he has to say for himself on Day 2. I'm not saying I fully trust him and that he should never be lynched. But in the short-run it'll be interesting to hear his investigation results.

I guess you're right about "outguessing the mod."

[NanookTheWolf]

Nanook: Would you be willing to weigh in on all of this? We haven't heard much from you other than the cop stuff.

Nanook?

Are you out there?

I am here .. I've only really been able to get a quick skim over the thread and with there being so much info out there, you guys will have to wait until I'm off from work which is around 5pm EsT ..

[YagamiLight]

Still waiting to hear from YB. I did a search, and he's been active on other games. Would you like to respond to what I've said YB?

[YogurtBandit]

Still waiting to hear from YB. I did a search, and he's been active on other games. Would you like to respond to what I've said YB?

Whats the question?

[Adel]

YL: try asking a specific question. Looking through your posts it isn't clear to me what you want to hear from him.

Just trying to help.

[YogurtBandit]

I don't understand you going beyond that and defending YB though; why do you not want to hold him up to public scrutiny? If it looks like he is town, then I might buy, at least temporarily, that there are indeed two cops in the game. Be if not, I can definitely see him as scum fake claiming. Two cops in a mini normal is indeed rare.

Well, I figure it might be more valuable to keep YogurtBandit around today and see what happens during the night. That way we can also see what he has to say for himself on Day 2. I'm not saying I fully trust him and that he should never be lynched. But in the short-run it'll be interesting to hear his investigation results.

I guess you're right about "outguessing the mod."

Hmm, You're obviously right, Im just not sure I will live to tell my results.

[Guardian]

Erotomachia, good point; it indeed seems to be the best play to let both claimed cops live and see what happens, despite how suspicious one might be of either of them. Lynching me, or lynching YB if he is also a cop, will only make the mafia not even have to use a NK on that person.

[Adel]

New tactic:

Do not lynch until there are

two

probable candidates, each with about enough support to lynch. This will force players to take a pretty serious position on two players, which will be good information regardless of the results of investigations and the eventual lynch

Debating the merits of the cases against two good candidates will generate lots of information for later analysis, and act as a quality assurance check. Support of this tactic will require a deadline extension.

Mod: respectfully request deadline extension

[Guardian]

Adel, I joined this game because of the two week deadlines. Deadlines are typically bad for the town, but I joined this game because of the strict deadlines, and I really don't want to see them get fluid.

By the way, I didn't respond if your explanation is good enough because I am not sure yet. I can see you making it as both town or scum; if you are town then at face value it is understandable (though I still would not have made the FoA), removing noise and all; if you are scum I can definitely see you as trying to backtrack away from all your arguments against the cop.

[Adel]

Sometimes I think I would be better off if I just lurked.

[YagamiLight]

I'm sorry, thought it was clear, but what I had wanted was a comment from him about the contradictions and why I must be scum for pointing them out.

[theopor_COD]

Mod: respectfully request deadline extension

Deadline request will be granted if seven of you request it. Otherwise the deadline will remain and occur in about a week

[Adel]

Sometimes I think I would be better off if I just lurked.

Damnit, it didn't stop to consider how scummy that sounds. What I meant was: would it be better for town if I stopped posting for a while? It seems to me that I am generating more noise than anything else so far.

[Guardian]

Just to let you all know I'm planning on a two week deadline for every day phase, games got to be over by end of July as I'm away on my hols. Therefore if you want a quick game sign-up, lurkers will be banished from Theoville

I feel betrayed :\. I am conflicted, because I know it will help us find scum, but I really wanted a faster game...

[YogurtBandit]

Sometimes I think I would be better off if I just lurked.

Damnit, it didn't stop to consider how scummy that sounds. What I meant was: would it be better for town if I stopped posting for a while? It seems to me that I am generating more noise than anything else so far.

Yeah Nice cover up.

vote:Adel

[theopor_COD]

Just to let you all know I'm planning on a two week deadline for every day phase, games got to be over by end of July as I'm away on my hols. Therefore if you want a quick game sign-up, lurkers will be banished from Theoville

I feel betrayed :\. I am conflicted, because I know it will help us find scum, but I really wanted a faster game...

If you want to keep the deadlines don't request em simple as . . . 15 pages of posts in one week, is quite awesome, I have no doubt the game will be over by the time I jet off to Cyprus.

[NanookTheWolf]

I'd rather save deadline time for later in the game if needed .. right now the game is moving right along, and personally I think that we have more then enough to read through as it is ...

As for all of the posts that I've read nothing sticks out more then any other. This game has been more 'ranting' then anything else, and normally I am an active and hopefully productive player, but I find it hard to insert anything substantial to this discussion.

I enjoy analyzing a post when I have the opportunity, but when the arguments have already been answered, what would you like me to add?

I refuse to post a pbpa btw as I don't think that it helps town anymore then it does scum, so that's not something that you'll get from me. I do report things that I find to be suspicious, so if you want that, then you'll have to wait until I see it.

That's all I got as of right now.

[Streeflo]

I like fast games. That's why I signed up for this one.

Please don't lurk, lurking is bad.

[Adel]

Sometimes I think I would be better off if I just lurked.

Damnit, it didn't stop to consider how scummy that sounds. What I meant was: would it be better for town if I stopped posting for a while? It seems to me that I am generating more noise than anything else so far.

Yeah Nice cover up.

vote:Adel

What is this? Page 2? Put it into the contest of my four(!) pages of writing so far in this game. Creating noise is something I am very guilty of. Being scum isn't. It isn't like I outed a power role or something (sorry Nanook) I just choose poor words. See Hanlon's razor.

[Nanosauromo]

New tactic:

Do not lynch until there are

two

probable candidates, each with about enough support to lynch. This will force players to take a pretty serious position on two players, which will be good information regardless of the results of investigations and the eventual lynch

Debating the merits of the cases against two good candidates will generate lots of information for later analysis, and act as a quality assurance check. Support of this tactic will require a deadline extension.

Mod: respectfully request deadline extension

I think we have more than two candidates already. Or are you just trying to buy time for yourself?

[NanookTheWolf]

What is this? Page 2? Put it into the contest of my four(!) pages of writing so far in this game. Creating noise is something I am very guilty of. Being scum isn't.

It isn't like I outed a power role or something (sorry Nanook) I just choose poor words.

See Hanlon's razor.

What are you sorry for .. You stated the what you see as truth? I will argue that I find you finger pointing as a bit of a way out though.