NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[House]

UNVOTE: PeregrineV
I'd like to at least hear what Marquis/Psyche have to say about Pere and the wagon in general.

That was... unexpected. I like.

[House]

OK, did a quick ISO and it's all good.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Lulz.

[House]

UNVOTE:

I'd like to hear their opinion, since reinoe doesn't anymore.

[gameplay506]

I think Pine is scum guys. Like really scum. I am not sure on pere seeing how it developed.

Welp a message to our lovely SK:
Dear mister SK,
We need your help. You see the game will soon be over if we dont lynch correctly today and if you kill town again we might not win. I mean nor town nor you could win. And you see we have no idea in who you could be. So please try killing scum tonight. If you it'll reward you greatly by probably winning. Use your own reads mister SK but I suggest Pine dies. Like stab that bitch several times till he becomes a bloody, meaty mess. Ty ty :3



Pedit: oh house are you the SK?

[gameplay506]

Guys new plan: We start trolling, SK does all the work for us. How does it sound?

[House]

I think Pine is scum guys. Like really scum. I am not sure on pere seeing how it developed.

Welp a message to our lovely SK:
Dear mister SK,
We need your help. You see the game will soon be over if we dont lynch correctly today and if you kill town again we might not win. I mean nor town nor you could win. And you see we have no idea in who you could be. So please try killing scum tonight. If you it'll reward you greatly by probably winning. Use your own reads mister SK but I suggest Pine dies. Like stab that bitch several times till he becomes a bloody, meaty mess. Ty ty :3



Pedit: oh house are you the SK?

lolno.

What gives you that ridiculous idea? The fact I liked reinoe not rushing into a lynch he's been pushing all game? The fact I found his flip-flop lulworthy? The fact I wanted to follow through on his abandoned idea of not rushing the lynch?

Thrall me with your moonlogic.

[reinoe]

Guys new plan: We start trolling, SK does all the work for us. How does it sound?

Sorry, I'm already planning on 100% trolling in my next large theme. I have to ration my trolling.

[House]

Guys new plan: We start trolling, SK does all the work for us. How does it sound?

I'm trying, dammit!

[gameplay506]

Housy house I am not addression you !!!!!! So dont adress me kk?

[House]

Housy house I am not addression you !!!!!! So dont adress me kk?

But uh... you just did.

[/troll]

[Skybird]

I've been looking at the vote counts and one thing that jumps out at me is Shaddowez has been on every town lynch wagon but not on the scum wagon. For that one he didn't vote. I think he deserves some attention.

Please read the game, thanks:

Looking at the Aero iso, you have 2-3 mentions in passing by him.
Your own views are against Aero lynch day1, but not because you think he is town. You went from 1613 (I don't like Aero) to 2032 (Not convinced Aero is scum). Day2 you are around but manage to not be on the wagon.

Notice I stated intent to hammer here. Pysche hammered here. If you look at the timestamp, and the fact that

I don't post during the day (EST) or much on weekends

, you'll see I had no chance to get on the wagon.

PV

- Your own posts cause your logic to fail.

Neighborhoods

marquis/

titus-cop

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay (Titus cop result)

/skybird

Mirhawk-tracker

/

Aegor-bodyguard?

/

Oka-doc

/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe (Titus cop result)

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy

House
Psyche

marquis claimed masons with Psyche. psyche did not cc.

If you think scum are present in each hood (I do), then that leaves

Marquis

(my PoV) and Shaddow as scum, with the SK amoung you, notsicence, house and

psyche

.

If one hood is scum-free, then another scum in the outside hood group.

start there.

If Marquis claimed masons with Psyche, and they are not

both

scum, why would Psyche not have cced? If they are both scum, then that's four scum (which is the assumption you've been going off of), leaving mine a scum-free neighborhood (as proposed as possible way back when), and the SK any one of the rest of us, again assuming they're II. However, I'm disinclined to imagine that they're both scum, mainly because of this post:

I think Marquis and Psyche are obvscum and Mirhawk has a good chance of being scum.

So figure out where I stand based on that.

A non-countered mason claim is an automatic chain lynch if one is scum, and for another now-confirmed scum to have listed them both as obvscum makes me a little too leery for my liking. On the other hand, if you're so insistent that there's scum in every hood, and Marquis is town, that leaves you as scum. Or would your thoughts all of a sudden change?

And did you not notice that I didn't vote for you at that time? When I said you desreved some attention, I then went and read your ISO. The majority of your posts come across as town to me. So for now, I won't be voting you.

[Skybird]

Ugh, bad spelling. That's deserved in the post above.

[Skybird]

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

Actually, I was thinking something along these lines earlier tonight. Out of curiosity, I did a VCA, focusing on Peregrine. I found some interesting results - the first, overarching point is that he's

never

been on a wagon that ended up in a lynch. Here's the breakdown:

D1 - Starts with an RVS vote on Elyse (conftown), then moves to Psyche (probtown - Mason) as the second vote. He then moves to tn (conftown), then moves to RoyalApe where he stays through Aegor's lynch (conftown).
D2 - Doesn't vote at all through Aero's lynch (confscum), and gives me a hard time about not being on the Aero wagon in 3812.
D3 - His first vote of the day is on Marquis (probtown - Mason), then moves to a vote on me ({conf}town) where he stays through tn's lynch (conftown).
D4 - First vote of the day is again on Marquis, again where he stays until the Oka lynch (conftown).

He hasn't placed a vote on anybody that hasn't turned up town yet, and since day one has pretty much been planting his vote. Additionally, the people he's been voting haven't generally had wagons forming, so he's able to keep them there without risk of a townie lynch. He also has plausible deniability of never lynching a townie.

After this review and my last post regarding his scum-location, I'm convinced.

VOTE: Pere

The only flaw I see with this is if I am remembering correctly, most of D2 happened on the weekend. At least that is when the Aero wagon really took off. PV has mentioned already that he is LA on the weekends in #3 at the bottom of his posts.

[Marquis]

house at the very least purely on mafia theory you should not be voting gameplay/reinoe today
and when taking into account what went on this game they are most likely not groupscum because of majiffy's attempts to discredit the cop results

the hoods:

marquis

/

titus

/pv/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay

/skybird

mirhawk

/

aegor

/

oka

/shadow

green for flipped town > blue for role info town > red for flipped scum

statistically speaking one of pv and shadow are guaranteed to be scum.
we should be lynching one of them today

and even ignoring the neighborhood distribution
pv is likely scum due to his attitude about lynching out of the neighborhood- a contrast between votes and previously stated actions, in which he said he was ok with hunting out of the neighborhood earlier but when it started to get serious, he completely backed off

also once we started to seriously consider pv as a lynch option he finally got fired up/active to fight off people accusing him, then faded away soon after
once i open up with a vote on him today, with reinoe following, he suddenly starts to be active again
that's a scum level of game involvement

Royal and Peregrine are tomorrow's candidates for lynching.

Reinoe > PV

I don't like Psyche's sudden drop in activity. PV has also become scarce.

EBWOP:

So has majiff and zMuff. They haven't posted at all this DP.

The day just started.

VOTE: Psyche

(marquis!note: notable because of the choice of vote, over pv who was also a consideration
also noting the psyche vote and my other crack!theory might have been off)

This is either a prod-dodge or a placeholder so I know I'm caught up.

I'll let you decide.

Willing to move my vote to PV in event of deadline. Would still prefer Mirhawk.

(marquis!note: he never did vote pv, or actually consider moving his vote again for that dayphase. majiffy's votes are pretty much almost all on town if i'm not mistaken. it seems likely that he would do that whole "i'd be willing to vote <partner> but i never actually will" thing)

^ not to mention majiffy's posts about pv are very limited- only interacted basically to say "no, vote tree/marquis", always downplaying the idea of a pv lynch in comparison to other lynches, and never directly gave any sort of read about pv while joking around with him, which signals a comfortable scumpartner interaction

also looking at pv's iso for interactions about/with majiffy and this is all that stood out:

come on pv, critical reading

*sigh*

Who are your other 3 scumreads besides Majiffy?

(redirecting)

Vote: Marquis

OK, Jiffy, let's see money where your mouth is.

(context note: this comes after pv hadn't addressed majiffy's push on me

at all

except for a

townread

on me on day 1)

[House]

house at the very least purely on mafia theory you should not be voting gameplay/reinoe today
and when taking into account what went on this game they are most likely not groupscum because of majiffy's attempts to discredit the cop results

the hoods:

marquis

/

titus

/pv/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay

/skybird

mirhawk

/

aegor

/

oka

/shadow

green for flipped town > blue for role info town > red for flipped scum

statistically speaking one of pv and shadow are guaranteed to be scum.
we should be lynching one of them today

and even ignoring the neighborhood distribution
pv is likely scum due to his attitude about lynching out of the neighborhood- a contrast between votes and previously stated actions, in which he said he was ok with hunting out of the neighborhood earlier but when it started to get serious, he completely backed off

also once we started to seriously consider pv as a lynch option he finally got fired up/active to fight off people accusing him, then faded away soon after
once i open up with a vote on him today, with reinoe following, he suddenly starts to be active again
that's a scum level of game involvement

Royal and Peregrine are tomorrow's candidates for lynching.

Reinoe > PV

I don't like Psyche's sudden drop in activity. PV has also become scarce.

EBWOP:

So has majiff and zMuff. They haven't posted at all this DP.

The day just started.

VOTE: Psyche

(marquis!note: notable because of the choice of vote, over pv who was also a consideration
also noting the psyche vote and my other crack!theory might have been off)

This is either a prod-dodge or a placeholder so I know I'm caught up.

I'll let you decide.

Willing to move my vote to PV in event of deadline. Would still prefer Mirhawk.

(marquis!note: he never did vote pv, or actually consider moving his vote again for that dayphase. majiffy's votes are pretty much almost all on town if i'm not mistaken. it seems likely that he would do that whole "i'd be willing to vote <partner> but i never actually will" thing)

^ not to mention majiffy's posts about pv are very limited- only interacted basically to say "no, vote tree/marquis", always downplaying the idea of a pv lynch in comparison to other lynches, and never directly gave any sort of read about pv while joking around with him, which signals a comfortable scumpartner interaction

also looking at pv's iso for interactions about/with majiffy and this is all that stood out:

come on pv, critical reading

*sigh*

Who are your other 3 scumreads besides Majiffy?

(redirecting)

Vote: Marquis

OK, Jiffy, let's see money where your mouth is.

(context note: this comes after pv hadn't addressed majiffy's push on me

at all

except for a

townread

on me on day 1)

^ This is awesome. TYVM.

Also, I'm already voting PerV.

[House]

Oh, forgot my unvote.


VOTE: PerV

[Psyche]

Reinoe's case against perv is just terrible, but it's my hope that people are voting for perv for reasons other than his.

[House]

Reinoe's case against perv is just terrible, but it's my hope that people are voting for perv for reasons other than his.

I agree, which is why I wouldn't vote for PerV based on reinoe's case. I have more faith in shaddowez, though.

[PeregrineV]

If Marquis claimed masons with Psyche, and they are not both scum, why would Psyche not have cced?

Ask Psyche.

If they are both scum, then that's four scum (which is the assumption you've been going off of), leaving mine a scum-free neighborhood (as proposed as possible way back when),

It could be 5 scum.
20 players =5 scum normally
21 players (with a known SK), either 5 scum +SK (ouch!) or 4 scum + SK (what I've been assuming, but the mod can presume more scum would be crosskilled and have put 5 instead).

and the SK any one of the rest of us, again assuming they're II. However, I'm disinclined to imagine that they're both scum, mainly because of this post:

3575

[Psyche]

pv's always been one to go on about one thing and then just drop off of the face of the earth until he's prodded
and that's what the case on him seems to amount to
i don't have any reason to townread him, but the cases on him seem based on a bad premise

[PeregrineV]

A non-countered mason claim is an automatic chain lynch if one is scum, and for another now-confirmed scum to have listed them both as obvscum makes me a little too leery for my liking. On the other hand, if you're so insistent that there's scum in every hood, and Marquis is town, that leaves you as scum. Or would your thoughts all of a sudden change?

Depending on the makeup, you lose the ability to lynch the "masons" in the next day or 2 (I think).

As for confirmed town, the claim has been there for 3 days(?) yet scum nor the SK have any interest in killing "confirmed town". Thinking rationally, this will come back to bite them in the next day or 2, so they really should have taken care of that sooner.

But, they don't really have to, because they are not masons.

I don't insist, but since I'm town, you think Marquis and Psyche are town, you claim to be town, reinoe and gameplay are clear, you should clarify who is scum and who is SK so that future mason generations can use the seed of your scumreads to raise proper-voting townies.

Pine
House
notscience
Skybird

[PeregrineV]

pv's always been one to go on about one thing and then just drop off of the face of the earth until he's prodded
and that's what the case on him seems to amount to
i don't have any reason to townread him, but the cases on him seem based on a bad premise

I have 214 posts. Quote my fluffy ones.

[PeregrineV]

pine can you vote pv please

we are the last 2 people and have been for a while, in an originally 4 person neighborhood, where the others flipped town
and i had some good points on pv day 1 and i can't remember them all but i do remember pv in our neighborhood saying he wanted to scumhunt within our neighborhood but when someone in the neighborhood was actually a wagon or suspected he was against it- like he was trying to keep us around him to make process of elimination harder

Yeah, that would be the texcat town wagon I refused to get on.

[PeregrineV]

Btw, I'm a little confused by the talk of Masons. Can you two confirm your mason claims for me? I srsly do not have the patience for archive diving in this clusterfuck of a thread

They have yet to do it.

[PeregrineV]

SK HAS to be one of the following players.
MuffinMan
Majiffy
Peregrine
notscience
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
.

Re-reading Mirhawk's Iso he was chainsaw defending OkaPoka pretty hard. I suspect that he tracked OkaPoka and knew.

Also I suspect mirhawk tracked a bunch of people and since the SK is killing every night the above are people he had not yet tracked.

Interestingly enough. The list that Mirhawk presents here is full of the scummiest people in the game.

--->Peregrine, RoyalApe (Skybird), notscience<---
Two scum in here.

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

VOTE: PeregrineV

When I flip scum, I'll nominate you for a Title change to

MENSA Scumhunter

.