Mini 455 - Mafia in Theoville - Game Over who won?

[theopor_COD]

It took me a sec to realize that Theo is our mod.

Luckily this is one game, where I'm free of any suspicion

[YagamiLight]

Yeah, YB then Guardian.

[Streeflo]

I think strangled signifies SK more than a vig. Since when do vigs strangle their targets? Oo

I'll go with YB first.

[ChaosOmega]

I agree that YogurtBandit should post his result first.

[Erotomachia]

Damn, I was really enjoying this game. Good luck town, you'll need it.

[Battle Mage]

well im a bit surprised about that. Still, you all know what you need to do now.
good luck town.
BM

[MeMe]

This setup is mostly closed, however you receive one piece of information. As the limited flavour suggests, there are two factions in this game, the town and the mafia.

So -- no SK, which means the second kill was most certainly a vigilante. As Guardian said (and Nanook implied), I believe it makes more sense that Battle Mage was killed by town rather than the scum. But since "shot" was used for both the night 1 death and Battle Mage's, it rather implies that a gun is the

scum

method of killing.

I actually prefer that Guardian gives his results first. YB seems a bit easier to "trip up" -- not a very careful player. If Guardian's the scum, he's a bit harder to read and I prefer that he be made to commit to a result early.

[MeMe]

Change "Night 1 death" to "Night 0 death" above.

[Guardian]

I am somewhat vilified in that I defended the initial attack on BM; his later actions looked so scummy though, so maybe he would have been lynched today and we are better off.

I would list my main suspects for today, but I do not want to hint at what my result was.


I will say that I think YB is likely scum. I want to see his "result" first, because a two cop setup is remotely possible, but I do not want him to be able to base his result upon mine...

Also, my result in and of itself is such that I would like to see him go first. I will go by whatever the town decides, but it seems that already (myself included) six of the remaining nine town members prefer to see YB's result first.

[MeMe]

I know I'm in the minority with my opinion on which "cop" should go first -- but thought I'd put it out there anyway.

And I think it's interesting that you're feeling weird about BM. I think you were a johnny-come-lately to the case against him, waiting until it had pretty much been decided by the majority that he wouldn't be lynched before switching your vote to him. And the thread shows that you did the exact opposite of "defend[ing] the initial attack on BM." Your posts 434, 457, 462, 467, 472, and 494 all contain variations on you

not

liking the initial case against BM.

What am I misunderstanding?

[Guardian]

I defended the initial attack on BM

That should be "I defended BM from the initial attack". My brain thought that defended the initial attack meant I tried to prevent against the initial attack, for some reason.

[MeMe]

What makes you think that the fact you were against the initial attack on someone who wound up innocent could "vilify" you?

[NanookTheWolf]

I am somewhat vilified in that I defended the initial attack on BM; his later actions looked so scummy though, so maybe he would have been lynched today and we are better off.

I don't think that that villifies you Guardian. Although I may have thoughts of you being a cop more so then YB at this point, I still have some slight suspicions of you ..

No one is ever 100% cleared in a game unless it's a newbie game and the cop claimed he had an innocent result/guilty result, and was killed during the night .. No one.

[Guardian]

Ahh!, I thought I made a post before Nanook made his, but it disappeared. Basically, I was sleepy, and I didn't know the definition of vilify. The real definition has nothing to do with "feeling justified/good about". GAH! All I was trying to say, is this:

I [felt justified for/was happy about/give myself props for] defending BM from the attack against him, because my (initial, at least) read was correct in that I thought he legitimately had reasons for lurking and was not using it as a tactic.

[NanookTheWolf]

Why did you feel the need to point this out Guardian?

[YogurtBandit]

Sorry I didnt have time to post my result right away, but I Investigated Meme and got innocent. My sanity is unknown. Guardian, Im sure you investigated me, but keep in mind, both of our Sanities are unknown.

[Guardian]

Why did you feel the need to point this out Guardian?

Because I fell under considerable attack by MeMe yesterday for my reasoning, and I turned out to be right. It was a small point; my horrible articulation of it is emphasizing it.



YogurtBandit, now that you have posted your "result", I see no reason not to post my own. I was very tempted to target you last night, because I still do not buy that you are a cop. However, I decided to target Adel instead. She pushed for the NanoS lynching, and MeMe defended her against lynching for what seemed to me to be silly reasons. She has generated a lot of anti-town noise, and whatever her alignment showed up as, it would be useful information to me. I got a

guilty

on Adel.

YB, this bit about my sanity and your sanity is great and all, but I am just not buying it. I think this is a one cop game, and I think I am sane, and I think we have two scum, Adel and YB, with MeMe looking very suspicious if Adel/YB does turn up scum. If YB is a cop, then I would assume we are sane/insane, and either Adel and MeMe are both town, or both scum. I am going to do a re-read when I get time, and look for interactions between the two. Right now, voting for Adel, who I got a guilty result on, seems appropriate.

vote: Adel

[Adel]

Since Guardian is wrong that means he is insane and not scum, right? A scum fake-claiming cop would report an innocent result, right?

[NanookTheWolf]

Voting for Adel would prove your sanity, but I question why you didn't investigate YB when you sound so sure that he too isn't a cop ..

[Streeflo]

Sorry about the SK thought. Didn't read the first post too well.

I don't think there's a sane cop

and

an insane cop in one game. That's overpowered to have two cops that can give results. I think the most likely scenario is that one of you is lying scum. The second most likely would be one of you guys being paranoid or naive.

Both cop results are believable to me right now. MeMe seemed protown yesterday, and Adel could easily be guilty with her wall of words.

[YagamiLight]

Now that we've seen the results and given YB a day, I want Yb to discuss something with me.

My self quote, they have been on here so often now. I wanted a comment on your contradiction. My main question, though, is why you said i was scum for pointing them out?

Simple mistake. and I dont recall saying you were scum for THAT reason.

First off, I don't buy that it was a simple mistake, it was a major mistake if an accident, because like you said yourself, you claimed to disprove Gaurdian, but then you also said you claimed because you were being bandwagoned. Yeah, your right you never did say I was scum for that reason, you just say I'm Adel's scumbuddy and give no reason. Also, you kept dodging my questions as if I would just forget it. In the first case I'm a little understanding, because I didn't repost them in that post, but then I reposted and constantly kept reposting them, they were on page 14, page 15, page 16 where I asked and Guardian posted them, and page 18.

[MeMe]

Guardian -- you felt under "considerable attack" from me? Could you show me what posts of mine justify that feeling?

[Guardian]

Voting for Adel would prove your sanity, but I question why you didn't investigate YB when you sound so sure that he too isn't a cop ..

I investigated Adel because I realized that if I got a guilty on YB, he would say "Oh, you must be insane". If I got an innocent on him, that would prove that there are two cops, but I highly doubted that I would get an innocent result on him. Also, if he is really a cop, more suspicion was on him at that point, and I was sure he would be NK'd if innocent because he would be less likely to draw potential doc protection. Frankly, I am quite surprised he and I are still alive - either the scum are trying to play us against each other, or they got doc WIFOM'd, or YB is scum. I think that YB is scum.

However, I do not think he is the lynch for today, because I got a guilty result - if we lynch Adel and she turns up town, that would confirm YB in my eyes; he would have to be a sane cop and I an insane (or paranoid) one. I doubt that that will prove to be the case, but it is a slight possibility.

I don't think there's a sane cop and an insane cop in one game. That's overpowered to have two cops that can give results. I think the most likely scenario is that one of you is lying scum. The second most likely would be one of you guys being paranoid or naive.

In games that I've read, at least, one insane and one sane cop is popular when two cops are present. What I agree with you on is that there are definitely not two sane cops in the game.

Guardian -- you felt under "horrible attack" from me? Could you show me what posts of mine justify that feeling?

MeMe, I said considerable attack. Please don't put quotes around words if I didn't say them. The attack was significant, as I was the first to defend BM and you were digging for reasons and saying that there weren't any. The posts in question are 460 and 466, especially 466.

I'm really having a difficult time understanding why anyone would be alright with what BM is doing -- especially now that he's clarified that he thought the deadline was even closer than it actually is. The three possible scenarios for excusing it are: 1) he's buddy scum, 2) he's town and you know it because you're scum, 3) um...I can't think of a good third, so you'll have to help me out here.

You are basically calling me scum here for defending BM. You later dropped your suspicion of me as more people came to BM's defense, but when I spoke out first you started to really question my reasons for doing so - reasons that turned out to be correct. I didn't like this action by you, and I still don't - you stopped pushing for a BM lynch solely because others disagreed with you.

[YogurtBandit]

Since Guardian is wrong that means he is insane and not scum, right? A scum fake-claiming cop would report an innocent result, right?

First, How would you know? a Fake claimed cop could say anything, so nice job getting into the mind of scum. You claim Townie then? Doc or 'nilla?

Second, This is my last day, Since Im positive I will be N'ked if not Lynched.Guardian, I do hope you find your sanity, So you can use it. The next best way to test sanity is to Lynch, So if Adel come sup scum, You're Paranoid or Sane, If Town Naive or Insane.I really think you are of the two latter, because of my investigation. In your latest(597) you're pretty sure you are gulity-Paranoid, which I agree with. I guess its some sort of bond between us, we cant just pull eachother as scum. Or maybe one of us is hiding something. If you got Guilty, I would say you were Insane-Paranoid, At least in my mind. Adel is scummy, so I say you're sane. i meither Naive or Insane if so, and if Im Insane, MeMe is her scumbuddy. Besides that, A bigger situation we have is that there is an Sk, so Meme could be indeed an SK and I got an Innocent. But MeMe is doing a good job of being pro-town and giving good content, So she in my book is town, Even though I did Investigate Her. Or She apparently has me Confused. The Scum are trying to play us against each other, So lets argue so we can stay alive. j/k
But, Theyll Kill One of us, Possibly me if MeMe is scum, But then again not anymore after reading that. If We lynch Adel, It'll be easier for us to survive into Day 3.

Doc's, Protect me and Guardain Tonight.

Idoubt there are Docs,with 2 sucseesful Kills, and Two cops, Its unlikely.. Anyways, so We can survive into D3, and I was Voting her yesterday

Vote Adel

[Adel]

I investigated Adel because I realized that if I got a guilty on YB, he would say "Oh, you must be insane". If I got an innocent on him, that would prove that there are two cops, but I highly doubted that I would get an innocent result on him. Also, if he is really a cop, more suspicion was on him at that point, and I was sure he would be NK'd if innocent because he would be less likely to draw potential doc protection.

You are forgetting that naive & paranoid are possible cop sanity.

Possible power role combinations based on evidence so far:
a: 1 sane cop, 1 insane cop (or naive or paranoid), 1 vig
b: 1 sane cop, 1 vig
c: 1 insane (or naive or paranoid) cop, 1 vig.
d: 2 insane cops (or naive or paranoid) cops, 1 vig

If there were a mafia RB, I think they would've used him.
There could be a Godfather.

We all agree that there isn't a SK.

Lynching me or MeMe wouldn't prove much.

Possible lynch results:
e)Adel is town: Guardian is paranoid or lying scum. Or our mod is a bastard for making me a miller without telling me.
f)Adel is scum: Guardian is paranoid or sane.
g)MeMe is scum: YB is naive, or lying scum
h)MeMe is Town: YB is sane, or naive.

Can cops investigate themselves?

I don't think the NKs help us determine the alignment of either of our cop claims. WIFOM and fear of a doc could've kept scum away from both cops. Not wanting to out a cop-fake claim could as well.

2/5ths of my voters died last night, and were town. That creates a strange feeling.