Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

mastin2 · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:32 pm

<<< guille2015 is at L-1! >>>

Twenty-Fifth Votecount

:

guille2015 - 6 (Voidedmafia, Bulbazak, istott, ProHawk, Sonic Boom, ika)

Voidedmafia - 3 (pirate mollie, Nazarene, shos)

ProHawk - 1 (Mathdino)
ika - 1 (guille2015)

Not voting - 2 (EddieFenix, DrippingGoofBall)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

WARNING:

This is just about 16 hours away!

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 30, post 735.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

Sonic Boom · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:58 pm

let me tell you a funny story

i saw this page and i was wondering why my vote was on guille

i thought titus had come to move my vote because i thought i had it on dgb

then i realised that i moved it to guille earlier

ah, i must be tired from all this work!

oh Titus, how I miss thee!

Mathdino · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:13 pm

guille, please provide last words and a claim. This is

intent to hammer by the deadline.

guille2015 · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:11 am

My comments in Blue.

In post 714, istott wrote:At this moment, I still feel comfortable voting prohawk. I would also be fine with Guille being lynched. These two are my main scumreads at the moment.
For Guille, take a look at this:

In post 358, guille2015 wrote:Fine Fine,
My shos explanation is Up there.
I'll get into more detail in a little while.
I did later in the next several posts.

In post 427, guille2015 wrote:Little by little sonic is growing in scummyness. But if my memory serves correctly i've played the heads or hydra and they have played similarly. Don't recall if they were scum or not.
Must check it later.
I did, and eventually voted for him.

In post 432, guille2015 wrote:The sad part about everything is that i don't understand why others pinned you as town during your first half of the game.
I must check that.
Found nothing

In post 677, guille2015 wrote:and yes, I know the deadline is coming up.
I'll get to it
when my mind clears.
See below.

In post 676, guille2015 wrote:
Ok, I'm going to have to ISO prohawk without any bias
. Can't do it right know.
This is, in essence the same post as before. And it wasyesterday, so yeah, i haven't gotten to it.

Are you a politician? You are reeking of active lurking.
In fact, while I am still scumreading Prohawk, I feel my vote would be better on VOTE: Guille.
I plan on doing a quickfire round of questions, if anyone has any questions they would like me to answer (that can be answered quickly), fire away!

Basically every-time I said I was going to do something, I did. You know, sometimes people are busy.

guille2015 · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:12 am

In post 752, Mathdino wrote:guille, please provide last words and a claim. This is

intent to hammer by the deadline.

I ama Jailkeeper. Let me finish reading the last pages and I'll give you my points.

guille2015 · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:59 am

Prohawk

I still don't see it. He has been scum-hunting early. Albeit in one-liners but he was questioning Dino, Shos behavior, He noticed sho's Jackal thing, post 373.

once he gets into the more than 3 sentence posts is that I feel that he is making wrong decisions. Wanting a counterclaim being a scum tell assumes that all town Remember that this is a close setup, are aware of optimal play, and are actually avoiding to ask for a CC. DGB and Dino niether implicitly or explicitly asked for a CC. I might have unintentionally asked for it in my wording, but it honestly wasn't my intention. My intention is clear in my post.

The concept of CC is actually a good concern. I think Scum would not point it out. Especially since said reasoning would not get any of those mentioned Lynched for that.

Then he goes into defense. Which could come from town or Scum.

I still think that Prohawk is town. Mostly from 373 and the CC thing.

Voided

I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

he started to do a bit of hunting when the pressure came but then reverted back to his previous self.

ika

Motivation behind posts. OK. Reading. Yeah, I see it. Basically a subtle scumhunting keeping to himself his reads and reasons. If that is his town meta, then I can understand it. But consider that this doesn't mean that he is town, but rather that this play is not indicative of him being scum.

unvote ika

More following.

istott · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:07 am

I've seen a new side to guille.
And if just the fact that he has claimed JK, UNVOTE: guille2015, VOTE: prohawk.

guille2015 · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:08 am

EddieFenix

Has been on the sidelines since the beguining. Follows Ika's motivation to consider Sonic scummy. Votes sonic for cop claim. Don't know what to say to that. would scum blatenly do that? I don't really know who he thinks is scum this game.

Ihave to go to my sons birthday now. But for the time being I consider VOided and Eddie Scummy. I'll keep ISOing through the game after I get back.

guille2015 · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:09 am

In post 756, istott wrote:I've seen a new side to guille.
And if just the fact that he has claimed JK, UNVOTE: guille2015, VOTE: prohawk.

Don't you think My reason for Hawk being town gives reasonable doubt. Or where am i wrong?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:12 am

In post 742, Bulbazak wrote:which was my effort to get Eddie to shift his focus off of DGB's tunneling. I know him, and he would get obsessed and paranoid about it

Crazy talk.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:18 am

In post 755, guille2015 wrote:I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

not town=/= scum.

Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.

P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.

Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:19 am

I'm not tunneling.

Bulbazak are you trying to soothe your buddy Eddie? Are you pretending to have such a strong town read on EddieFenix that you need to manage his emotions over a single player that is voting him and finding him scummy?

Things that make no sense:

- trying to soothe Eddie to prevent him losing his cool over the gentlest pressure.
- saying I am tunneling when I am not.
- there was no sign of Eddie becoming obsessed or paranoid, we barely had any exchanges.
- it implies a knowledge of Eddie's alignment and mine that reeks of manipulation.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:20 am

VOTE: EddieFenix

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:22 am

In post 760, Voidedmafia wrote:Istott, get back on Guille.

I believe the jailkeeper claim.

guille2015 · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:06 am

DGB

Is probably town. More concerned on who does scummy things than what others think of her.

Pirate Mollie

She is being carefree. My experience with her has led me to believe that when she is carefree she is likely town. But this is about 1 year ago, so play styles may change. I'll call her town for now.

Bulbazak

I get a very distinct town feel here. He is very much all over the place considering everyone around.

Shos

Anybody can read his ISO and see a very clear and noticeable change in game. The point happened when he stopped being busy. This suggests that he was in fact telling the truth that his fumbling was due to him being busy rather than because he couldn't fake his ideas. However, the possibility of this being a ruse is still there, and if Shos falls back to his original start of the game, it means that this change was a ruse and he should be lynched.

nazarrene

Leanin town but mostly null here. I am really tired of ISOing, and I don't get any town or scum fell in their posts.

Whose left? MathDino, Istott, and Sonic. Well, I don't want lynched dueto me thinking they are town or have claimed cop. So I have not ISOed them.

So yeah my vote is better placed here

Vote Voided

I can totally do EddieFenix too and I will be available to switch my vote before the deadline is reached.

Considering that I am finding only two players scum, It is likely that there is something really really wrong about my town reads or this game is a multiball. Or both.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:37 am

K.
VOTE: Voided

Bulbazak · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:58 am

In post 759, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 742, Bulbazak wrote:which was my effort to get Eddie to shift his focus off of DGB's tunneling. I know him, and he would get obsessed and paranoid about it

Crazy talk.

He went after Serene with a scum mason theory in a normal game. This is not crazy. He was close to obsessed.

In post 761, DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm not tunneling.

Then what do you call it?

In post 764, guille2015 wrote:
DGB

Is probably town. More concerned on who does scummy things than what others think of her.

What about that hissy fit she threw a little bit ago? That looks like she's very much concerned about what others think, which is odd, because she usually doesn't.

Unvote

Vote Ika

guille2015 · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:13 am

In post 766, Bulbazak wrote:What about that hissy fit she threw a little bit ago? That looks like she's very much concerned about what others think, which is odd, because she usually doesn't.

Which Hissyfit? I ISOed her again to see if I missed it, but can't see it either.

Bulbazak · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:18 am

She gave up when I said that I've never been impressed by her scumhunting abilities. That's actually very atypical for DGB, and she's actually heard me express that opinion before and was never phased by it.

pirate mollie · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:34 am

In post 760, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 755, guille2015 wrote:I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

not town=/= scum.

Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.

P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.

Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.

jesus christ srsly how this thing still alive?

pirate mollie · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:42 am

In post 768, Bulbazak wrote:She gave up when I said that I've never been impressed by her scumhunting abilities. That's actually very atypical for DGB, and she's actually heard me express that opinion before and was never phased by it.

that isn't what happened. you said she was a terrible player cited games where apparently she led town losses. then you wanted to pl her.

and you didn't say i was paranoid again you said I was a terrible player so you would only talk to nacho.

be honest about what you did.

and your vote on ika is going nowhere so why the fuck are you trying to ensure that a no lynch happens rather than lynch voided? you have no case on guille and it was a shitty cw to the 1 building on voided.

pirate mollie · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:43 am

if it is bulba/voided/prohawk scumteam I am going to laugh hysterically. like no way it can be that easy.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:35 am

In post 766, Bulbazak wrote:Then what do you call it?

Routine level of suspicion in a mafia game.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:36 am

In post 770, pirate mollie wrote:you have no case on guille and it was a shitty cw to the 1 building on voided.

I endorse this product.

Bulbazak · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:01 am

In post 770, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 768, Bulbazak wrote:She gave up when I said that I've never been impressed by her scumhunting abilities. That's actually very atypical for DGB, and she's actually heard me express that opinion before and was never phased by it.

that isn't what happened. you said she was a terrible player cited games where apparently she led town losses. then you wanted to pl her.

I only cited those games

after

you accused me of discrediting her. My only comment before that was telling Eddie that she tends to derpwagon, which was my way of telling him not to worry about it. As for the policy lynch, I did make the comment that she's never a bad pl, but that was not my intent when she asked about a pl. I thought she was going to vote Istott, who is a much more preferable pl given the circumstances. I personally think self-voting is horribad play, and the thought never crossed my mind when talking to her.

In post 770, pirate mollie wrote:
and you didn't say i was paranoid again you said I was a terrible player so you would only talk to nacho.

I said that you tended to eat paranoia flakes and that I felt I would be able to better reason with Nacho. I had zero reason to call you terrible, compared to my every reason to call you paranoid. Frankly, you didn't leave that much of an impression on me after Maniacal.

In post 770, pirate mollie wrote:
and your vote on ika is going nowhere so why the fuck are you trying to ensure that a no lynch happens rather than lynch voided? you have no case on guille and it was a shitty cw to the 1 building on voided.

I'm not sure how I feel about a Voided lynch atm, because I've been steadily townreading her. Compare that to Ika, which is a solid null due to minimal content. Out of the two, I'd much prefer the second lynch. As for a no lynch scenario, I'm mulling over both possibilities, although, I'm becoming less inclined to see how no lynching would be bad for town in this particular game state. Part of me actually thinks we'd come out stronger for it.