Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:03 am

Should have lynched Fenix.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:03 am

"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

pirate mollie · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:06 am

In post 822, Voidedmafia wrote:Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.

I'm a sane cop
. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.

As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.

Vote: ProHawk

Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.

so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.

I mean this game did make it through review.

pirate mollie · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:08 am

In post 826, DrippingGoofball wrote:"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

ffs, dgb he is lying. as a cop you don't claim like an hour before dl when there is already a cop claim in play.

mastin2 · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:09 am

This late votecount brought to you by the fact that I suck.

Voidedmafia is at L-2.

Twenty-Seventh Votecount

:

Voidedmafia - 5 (pirate mollie, Nazarene, shos, guille2015, ika)

guille2015 - 2 (ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

ProHawk - 3 (Mathdino, istott, Voidedmafia)
ika - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not voting - 2 (EddieFenix, DrippingGoofBall)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

WARNING:

This is under 2 hours away!

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Last votecount was page 33, post 807.

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DrippingGoofball · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:10 am

In post 828, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 826, DrippingGoofball wrote:"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

ffs, dgb he is lying. as a cop you don't claim like an hour before dl when there is already a cop claim in play.

That's what I'm thinking, it looks like claim and run.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:11 am

VOTE: Voided

Voidedmafia · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:14 am

In post 826, DrippingGoofball wrote:"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

In hindsight, I should have, though I was still under the belief that he would've/could've been lynched without having to worry about it (again, scum for non-claim reasons). But I'll take that as a question to ask next time this happens.

In post 827, pirate mollie wrote:so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc

No. I didn't CC because I didn't know if I was the only cop, period. It's entirely possible that SB's a sane cop like me, or I'm the sane one and he has some kind of insane modifier to his. Or he's just not a cop at all.

In post 827, pirate mollie wrote:and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.

Again, I don't know if I'm the only cop or not.

I know that any tampering with my results comes from outside my role, be it from millers, godfathers, etc. If we weren't pressed for time I'd ask for clarification on how much I can say but I believe I can say that much.

pirate mollie · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:15 am

In post 827, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 822, Voidedmafia wrote:Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.

I'm a sane cop
. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.

As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.

Vote: ProHawk

Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.

so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen
they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.

I mean this game did make it through review.

*they usually don't

know

cos then it comes down to a follow the

correct

cop scenario.

Bulbazak · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:16 am

In post 827, pirate mollie wrote:
I mean this game did make it through review.

Given that Mini Themes don't have to be reviewed, Mastin has said that this game is her own personal playground, and that no reviewers are listed in the OP, I'm going to say there was no review for this game.

<<< This is correct. I direct you to the flavorful opening of the game for the stance this game takes to reviews. >>>

Voidedmafia · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:18 am

In post 830, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 828, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 826, DrippingGoofball wrote:"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

ffs, dgb he is lying. as a cop you don't claim like an hour before dl when there is already a cop claim in play.

That's what I'm thinking, it looks like claim and run.

Claim and run? Really?

If I was "claiming and running" why would I make a big deal about lynches being dismantled due to claims? Unless you believe that hypo-VM-scum believes his team is well off enough that he can die, why would I still insist on being the lynch at the end of the day?

Furthermore, even though the topic has been bandied around often enough, this game is explicitly not necessarily balanced. Multi-cop is still a likely scenario. If I had any assurance that this wasn't the case I would've CC'd SB in a heartbeat.

mastin2 · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:24 am

I'm gonna give you better VCs in a bit.

<<< Voidedmafia is at L-1. >>>

Twenty-Eighth Votecount

:

Voidedmafia - 6 (pirate mollie, Nazarene, shos, guille2015, ika, DrippingGoofBall)

ProHawk - 3 (Mathdino, istott, Voidedmafia)

guille2015 - 2 (ProHawk, Sonic Boom)
ika - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not voting - 1 (EddieFenix)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

WARNING:

This is under 2 hours away!

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 34, post 829.

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Nazarene · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:29 am

In post 784, Bulbazak wrote:You know, if Mollie, DGB, and others think that they need a flip and are starting to worry about my alignment, they could always just lynch me.

Stop this nonsense. Also stop trying to start deadline wagons; it is counterproductive and pissing this Head off when we already have like three or four claims on the table.

In post 792, Bulbazak wrote:
I think this game is close to being solved via PoE. I currently have it narrowed down to the group of {Mollie, DGB, Shos, Ika, Dino, Voided}.
Dino is definitely scum
, and I'm leaning town on Mollie and Voided. DGB has thrown me off with her atypical behavior. Shos and Ika are good places to look going forward. Everyone else should not be touched.

Bulb, that read is whack. How can you possibly construe scum motivation from Dino's ISO?

This Head can never read DGB and generally want her lynched just because, but until SB is dead, there is no point.

mollie is very solidly town.

UNVOTE:

-A

Nazarene · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:30 am

Give this Head like three minutes to decide what to do with the most recent cop claim.

Bulbazak · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:31 am

In post 837, Nazarene wrote:How can you possibly construe scum motivation from Dino's ISO?

Did you not read my response to your other head, or are you two just not communicating?

Voidedmafia · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:32 am

In post 838, Nazarene wrote:Give this Head like three minutes to decide what to do with the most recent cop claim.

He's been arguing that for about 10 pages now. Where've you been?

(wrong quote, but whatevs)

Nazarene · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:46 am

In post 839, Bulbazak wrote:Did you not read my response to your other head, or are you two just not communicating?

I have read all your responses. We have been communicating, but not yet today, so it seems I have final vote authority.

Regardless, your reasons are not answers to my questions. I asked what scum motivation you found; you explained your case by pointing out that his posts were not well-reasoned. Incompetence is not the same thing as scumminess.

-A

Nazarene · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:47 am

VOTE: Voidedmafia

828 is fundamentally correct and at the worst we net a scum in SB, who should have been lynched anyway.

-A

Bulbazak · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:47 am

I pointed out that he's not looking for scum motivation or intent and that his posts are created to look good, rather than scumhunt.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:51 am

In post 842, Nazarene wrote:828 is fundamentally correct and at the worst we net a scum in SB, who should have been lynched anyway.

Again, are you aware that this game may have multiple cops?

Nazarene · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:53 am

In post 843, Bulbazak wrote:I pointed out that he's not looking for scum motivation or intent and that his posts are created to look good, rather than scumhunt.

I am having major problems reconciling the idea that scum-Dino is manipulative enough to lead the charge against someone via a case, no matter how bad, but not self-aware enough to have sensible posting.

Again, I fail to see why my reading of town-with-good-intent-and-bad-execution is less plausible than your scumread.

-A

Bulbazak · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:54 am

I love how Aegor yelled at me for thinking about a policy lynch and then proceeds to pl Voided at deadline.

P-edit: Yes, because scum obviously can't make or fake cases.

Nazarene · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:56 am

In post 844, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 842, Nazarene wrote:828 is fundamentally correct and at the worst we net a scum in SB, who should have been lynched anyway.

Again, are you aware that this game may have multiple cops?

Possible =/= likely. I would be more than willing to bet my Head and my other Head that if you flip cop, SB will flip scum. The point is that I am 60-40 against believing your claim and 100-0 against believing SB's. The fact that multiple cops may exist is irrelevant if I happen not to believe the claims in the first place. And my other Head is pretty sure you are scum. I would rather have SB's head in the noose. Especially given that we replaced a claimed cop with a claimed cop.

-A

Nazarene · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:57 am

In post 846, Bulbazak wrote:I love how Aegor yelled at me for thinking about a policy lynch and then proceeds to pl Voided at deadline.

PL? What are you talking about? TS has been voting Void for a pretty long time because of a scumread. This Head is simply unwilling to unvote.

P-edit: Yes, because scum obviously can't make or fake cases.

You are better than this.

-A

Bulbazak · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:00 pm

Aegor, what makes you seriously think that scum can't present a case on someone? I'm curious. Do you think all scum players just sit on their hands and hope something happens? Because you seem to be presenting all scum as drooling morons instead of players who have to try to manipulate the town into lynching each other. How did you think that happened? The magical mafia fairy?