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[Guardian]

FIFTH VOTE COUNT

@the top of the page, even!

yellowbounder-1: remussaidow
Aceiks-2: Haut Boy, Eteocles

remussaidow-4: ChaosOmega, Sonicpulsar, yellowbounder, YogurtBandit

TrustGossip-1:Aceiks

Not Voting-4: BrazeGoesMoo, BeanBrew, TrustGossip, Qman

with 12 alive, it will take 7 to lynch

this count is current as of post 174

[ChaosOmega]

unvote

Sonicpulsar, you're basing your vote off of a guess between two possible choices, factoring in what you think others might do in that situation. That's bad enough as it is, but you're arguing so damn hard for your side, and it's somewhat confusing, because part of you sounds like you want him lynched, but you keep saying that we'll lynch the hammer day 2. That's not the best way to get a final vote on him.

And

FOS: Aceiks

vote TrustGossip for significant lurking

I haven't posted for a longer period of time than TrustGossip. Just wondering why you singled him out when there are other people doing more of the same thing.

[Aceiks]

because the attention in an early lynch goes immeadiately to the hammerer.

I also claimed. And was not a power role. Scum don't want me, they want to out said power roles so that they can remove the town's helpers.

These are both good points. If I may take them out of order. The second is actually a point I consider in your favor, especially with the prevalance of the LAL philosophy deterring false vanilla claims.

I think Sonic addressed the first, if not clearly, at least understandably enough that I hope I can add some more to the discussion.

I think I might be able to summarize what I believe Sonic was attempting to present into "a short day 1 that results in a town lynch is a very good thing for scum". I believe we can all agree on this, so can say that it would be beneficial for the scum to have lynched you (assuming you are town). One of the two better situations, for scum, would be a short day 1 that resulted in a power role lynch. Which your second point brings up.

In response to "the hammerer will come under direct suspicion" let me say that ANY day that results in a townie lynch will cause that. So scum may tend to try to not hammer. The best that scum can hope for is a townie hammerer, which is a valid reason for the scum to wait in this case, since the reasons for voting for Remus were thin to begin with. This is the second situation that is better than the one Sonic is discussing that I can think of.

In summary (assuming Remus is town) there was a reason for scum to hammer (short day 1, town lynch) and at least one reason for them to wait (short day 1, town lynch WITH a town hammerer would be superb). I'm not quite sure which of these would be greater. I tend to believe the second since they also have the option of waiting, starting another bandwagon, and trying to get a power role as Remus points out.

To all lurkers

You may be looking at this thread, thinking it's boring and leaving. It's boring as a DIRECT result of your inactivity. The 5 of us going around in circles is bound to be repetitive. Perhaps us actives should consider some pressure. (Yes, this will bring the scum calls upon me, color me desperate.)

[Aceiks]

Ace, comment on the discussion between sonic and myself, if you're still around.

Done, and if I may... my name is Aceiks.

That's more for you calling Sonic an idiot than the "My name is Remus" comment. Paraphrasing something I read on this board "Write like everyone in the game is your friend, think like they're your enemies". I may have botched that horribly, but I think I got the gist. I'm actually alright with being called Ace.

[quote = "ChaosOmega"]I haven't posted for a longer period of time than TrustGossip. Just wondering why you singled him out when there are other people doing more of the same thing.[/quote]

I disuss, to an extent, my singling out of TG in post 156. I did miss you and Haut in my quite unscientific browse through who hadn't posted recently. TG's post is really what got under my skin enough for me to single him out though.

[Sonicpulsar]

Ok, so maybe Aceiks just summarized everything clearer in one post than I did in like 5, but my point still stands.

I think it far less likely that the mafia were attempting to avoid having a member be the hammerer on Day 1 than they would be to get into the power position of a townie being lynched on Day 1. In other words, I think a lynched townie (even if only Vanilla) on Day 1 far outweighs the negatives associated with immediate suspicion cast upon the hammerer, even if it would have been a scum.

But maybe that's just me.

[Aceiks]

In other words, I think a lynched townie (even if only Vanilla) on Day 1 far outweighs the negatives associated with immediate suspicion cast upon the hammerer, even if it would have been a scum.

But maybe that's just me.

But does it outweigh the possible positives of getting a power role and/or an actual townie hammer? I kind of think not. But now we're getting into subjective territory.

[Aceiks]

Pardon for multiple posts, but Chaos, you haven't posted in 11 days. How did you happen to show up 20 minutes after I did a lurk vote? That's a fair amount of coincidence.

[TrustGossip]

Hi, sorry. Work is finally getting to me. I have to do writeup summaries of three games I'm in so expect one within the next two days or so.

[BrazeGoesMoo]

I'll be posting soon.

I just got promoted at work, and now it's time for shotgun training. WOO >:O

[BrazeGoesMoo]

EBWOP: Not training in use of shotgun. More like shotgun wedding, if training programming were the shotgun in this analogy

[remussaidow]

heh, I was about to say

Interesting job you got there.

[Haut Boy]

I apologize for my inactivity; finals were a bitch. I'll review everything tonight and post tomorrow.

[Sonicpulsar]

I was hoping for more discussion before I leave tomorrow (Friday) and won't get back until Sunday (late). That pretty much just leaves today. How about some prodding?

[Sonicpulsar]

Oh, and if anyone cares, I'm going to an ultimate frisbee tournament in Tulsa, OK. Weep for me if the temperature is >100

[TrustGossip]

Not available until Saturday.

[remussaidow]

[quote= "sonicpulsar"] Oh, and if anyone cares, I'm going to an ultimate frisbee tournament in Tulsa, OK. Weep for me if the temperature is >100 [/quote]

Try playing in freezing rain.


am waiting on this: [quote= "Haut Boy"]I apologize for my inactivity; finals were a bitch. I'll review everything tonight and post tomorrow.[/quote]

[YogurtBandit]

Im here, Im going to do some re-reading.

[remussaidow]

sorry for my failure at quote tags, but I don't know how to make them work right

[YogurtBandit]

sorry for my failure at quote tags, but I don't know how to make them work right

Like this:

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[quote="Playername"]...[/quote]

[yellowbounder]

I WILL DEFINITELY POST TODAY AT SOME POINT.

Hopefully.

[YogurtBandit]

I WILL DEFINITELY POST TODAY AT SOME POINT.

Hopefully.

You just did.

[remussaidow]

oooh, the goddamned space.

[remussaidow]

Oh, and if anyone cares, I'm going to an ultimate frisbee tournament in Tulsa, OK. Weep for me if the temperature is >100

Try playing in freezing rain.


am waiting on this:

I apologize for my inactivity; finals were a bitch. I'll review everything tonight and post tomorrow.

fixed.

[Qman]

*sick family, playing wet nurse, will post after a full read through in the next day or so*

[remussaidow]

sorry guys, surprise bought of probable unpostability