MUNSCM - Abandoned

[Narninian]

Thank you Cuban, - I shall serve Angola Well.

The Delegate from Angola

Abstains

from the current resolution and agrees something is needed but has certain issues.

[shadyforce]

The delegate from Chile

votes in favour

of the motion, and sniggers at those who omit the 'u'.

[Dasquian]

France

votes in favour

of the resolution.

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: In favor

[Flying Dutchman]

Wait, I thought that was about going to vote about the resolution..........

Unvote: In favor
Vote: Against

(Yes, I veto this resolution!)

[the silent speaker]

Benin is probably automatically voting

in favor

since it is Benin's resolution, but is posting to say so just in case the vote isn't automatic.

[mathcam]

Sigh....

I would like to file a motion to reconsider the voting on this proposition.

Cam

[shadyforce]

[Heckle]

SCUM!

[/Heckle]

[mathcam]

Point of Information directed at the Chair

: Can you unvote? Or are perhaps votes locked in once they've been announced?

Cam

[Narninian]

If unvoting Is allowed I second the motion to reconsider this proposition.

[EnPaceRequiescat]

I'd assme you'd unvote by abstaining...

do we have to vote again?

[cuban smoker]

Vraak X, delegate from USA, is replacing Talitha, delegate from USA, by request (including personal reasons... like babies! Congrats), effective immediately.

By voting against the resolution, the delegate from China has vetoed it. The resolution fails.

Delegate from Germany, delegates may, in general, change their votes at any time (especially since mistakes can be made). However, it should be strongly noted that delegates may not get the opportunity to change their votes. So, although we want everyone to vote promptly, you should also vote carefully.

Delegate from Germany, I will entertain your motion at this point, but only because there seems to be some support for it. Normally we would not reconsider so soon after the original vote.

For those delegates who do not understand, the resolution was vetoed (and thus voting stops, and the resolution fails), and the delegate from Germany wants to vote AGAIN on the resolution (probably because he feels strongly it should be passed). If this MOTION passes (requiring 2/3 majority), we will reopen debate on the resolution. And, technically, we will have the opportunity to debate the resolution again, not just vote again.

We need two speakers in favour, which I presume will be the delegate from Germany and the delegate from Angola. We may also hear two speakers against reconsideration. Please speak immediately on the motion.

Delegates may also vote on the motion at any time.

[Narninian]

I am speaking in favor of reopening the debate. I believe I am not alone in wanting to know the reasoning behind the sudden vote change - and I also believe there are certain issues to be brought up about the existence of the proposal.

[the silent speaker]

Benin votes

in favor

of the motion to reopen debate and gives congratulations and best wishes to the outgoing delegate from the United States.

[mathcam]

I would indeed like to speak in favor of the motion to reconsider. Specifically, I would like to remind the delegate from China that he has veto power only so long as the rest of the nations allow him such power. You have used your veto power recklessly, voting no on a proposition without having previously even

hinted

that you might do so. It is the opinion of the delegate of Germany that the delegate from China did not even bother reading the thread to determine the subtleties and benefits of the aforemention proposal.

The proposition just vetoed is of tremendous good for the town. There is no reason why one town member should have any more say than any other in the decision to lynch or not, as they have no more information than any other town member. On the other hand, the power to veto the annihilation of a specific country is a potent weapon in the hands of the evil nations. Thus, the proposal does the town good and hurts the scum.

I encourage the delegate from China to explain (perhaps by speaking against this motion) the reasoning behind his most recent treachery.

Germany

[Narninian]

As long as I'm still speaking in favor of the motion: I believe we need to pass the motion before we can continue furthur debate - If the delegate would like to explain his reasons - its best for him to vote in favor of the motion as well as so we can further discuss the proposition and its potential benefits and potential dangers.. (as the delegate from China inherently sees)

[Vraak X]

I have great suspicion as to the motives of the delegate from China and his attempt to prevent the motion that, as the delegate from Germany has pointed out, would be beneficial to any members that are NOT against the axis of evil.

Aside from this point, the United States hereby

VOTES: To Reopen the Debate

with some questions.

I have been unable to fully go through the papers my colleague has left for me, but to what majority, if the proposed motion passes, will a permenant member of the Security Council be detained as a member of the Axis of Evil?

[Vraak X]

My apologies..

Point of Information to the Chair:

If the proposed motion passes, what majority of the Security Council, will determine who is a suspected member of the Axis of Evil to restrain their powers? If the Security Council will not determine this suspected country, then who, exactly, will?

[Vraak X]

My apologies ONCE AGAIN (I REALLY need to use that Preview button)

I retract all previous informal and formal points of order to the Chair and others, and hereby establish this Point of Information to the Speaker:

Point of Information to the Speaker:

If the proposed motion passes, what majority of the Security Council, will determine who is a suspected member of the Axis of Evil to restrain their powers? If the Security Council will not determine this suspected country, then who, exactly, will?

[mathcam]

Delegate from the United States,

If the proposal passes, then the community at large will be the deciders of who is to be annihilated. It will simply take a majority of nations voting yes on the proposition to annihilate to ensure that it happens. This is far superior for the town than giving any evil Security Council nations the power to veto any annihilations of their co-axis of evil.

Cam

[cuban smoker]

Decorum delegates!

Thank you delegate from Angola for speaking for the motion to reconsider, but...

Delegate from Angola, you are out of order. Please do not speak for the motion twice. You should try and post all relevant information in one post, and definetely not in two posts separated by other posts.

Thank you delegate from Germany for speaking for the motion to reconsider, but...

Delegate from Germany, you are not "the speaker", and should not have answered the delegate from the USA's POI.

Delegate from the United States of America, you are out of order. You are not allowed to speak in favour of the motion, and your post definetly oversteps the "brief justifcation of your vote" allowance. And...

Delegate from the United States of America, you are out of order. There are no "speakers" when arguing for or against motions.


You have to look at motions this way: someone makes a motion, and explains why. Someone else may support it, and a couple other people will quickly explain why they don't. There should be no cross-debate, etc. These are very formal procedures. I know it's a little confusing, but the only time you may ask POIs are when a person is the seconder of a RESOLUTION, or is called from the speaker's list on a RESOLUTION, and does not submit an ammendment. Please refer to procedures, where I believe this will become clear after the 5th time you read it. Heh.


Now, I will still hear 2 speakers opposed to the motion to reconsider. Also, I encourage all delegates to vote on the motion. There are currently 4 votes in favour, none opposed.

[Flying Dutchman]

Delegates,

This resolution simply destroys the biggest power of the town: The power to avoid a lynch by using your veto! In the current situation, the veto-powers can make sure the mafia can't succesfuly force a lynch, as long as at least 2 of them are still around! Does no-one realise how reckless it is to give this power away so easily!? You are giving scum the oportunity to lynch at will as soon as they've realised a majority!

Thank you.

(Writing this brings me to another point: Out of this evolves logically there cannot be 2 evil veto-powers, as they could avoid any scum lynch with 2 veto options!)

[shadyforce]

The delegate from Chile

votes strongly in favour

of reopening this motion, while scowling at China's rather pathetic attempt to justify his veto.

[Narninian]

Speaker, I apoligize for not putting all my thoughts in one post.

the Delegate from Angola

Votes: IN FAVOUR

of the motion

[cuban smoker]

Chair. Address the moderator as the chair.

Thank you delegate from China for speaking against the motion.

We can still hear another speaker opposed to the motion to reconsider.

There are currently 5 votes in favour (Germany, Angola, Benin, USA, Chile), and 1 vote opposed to the motion to reconsider. 10 votes are required to pass this special motion, while only 6 are needed to fail it.