Mini 456: Ultimatum Mafia - Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

The obvious choice..

vote Stewie

.

I still think it might be possible Dylan is scum with mneme tough...maybe.

[Mr Stoofer]

Albert, your continuing statements that mneme is/might be scum, without explaining your reasons, are beginning to annoy me. You have been asked numerous times for reasons. Please give them now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've already DID, but most of it is just by analyzing his play comparing patterns in scum behavior.

[Yosarian2]

This is easy-peasy. In fact, it's annoyingly easy because we are not going to get any sort of useful debate from this. Because we have an odd number of voters, the timing of votes is not critical, so I'll hold off voting so as to avoid The Wrath of Yosarian. But I don't see any basis that I would have for voting dylan.

Heh....fair enough.

Yeah, the outcome here seem prety obveous here. In fact, because I expect to be away for a day or two this week, I'll probably vote today myself just to be safe.

Does anyone have any actual arguments against Stewie here? (I can't say I'm taking seriously the "Stewie and Stoofer have been working together" argument, or the "Stewie has been quiet" argument.) Dylan, I would suggest that if you actually have any real arguments to make about that, it'd be best to back them up with in-game evidence of some kind, because right now, I don't really see any evidence for either one of those things.

[mneme]

I still think it might be possible Dylan is scum with mneme tough...maybe.

*giggle*. That would require a really big bus. Maybe a fleet.

I've been anti-dylan all three days, nom'd him all three days, and voted to kill him on two of them (I didn't have an opportunity on day 2). I could (looking as a third party observer, which I'm not) see any of the experienced player sitting in the center of this game as possible scum, incluidng yours truly -- but this one's pretty hard to credit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still think it might be possible Dylan is scum with mneme tough...maybe.

*giggle*. That would require a really big bus. Maybe a fleet.

I've been anti-dylan all three days, nom'd him all three days, and voted to kill him on two of them (I didn't have an opportunity on day 2). I could (looking as a third party observer, which I'm not) see any of the experienced player sitting in the center of this game as possible scum, incluidng yours truly -- but this one's pretty hard to credit.

I guess your right...

[Mr Stoofer]

I still think it might be possible Dylan is scum with mneme tough...maybe.

*giggle*. That would require a really big bus. Maybe a fleet.

Surely the more you have pushed him, the smaller the bus that will be needed?

[Off-topic posting since there is no debate to be had on this challenge.]

[Yosarian2]

*giggle*. That would require a really big bus. Maybe a fleet.

I've been anti-dylan all three days, nom'd him all three days, and voted to kill him on two of them (I didn't have an opportunity on day 2). I could (looking as a third party observer, which I'm not) see any of the experienced player sitting in the center of this game as possible scum, incluidng yours truly -- but this one's pretty hard to credit.

I think it's pretty clear that if Dylan is scum his scumbuddies are bussing him here, and have been all game, as EVERYONE's been attacking him all game. Which isn't too surprising; I think any reasonably experenced scum who was buddies with Dylan would have realised pretty early during day 1 that Dylan was going to be lynched eventually and would have distanced themselves from him ASAP.

[mneme]

Yos: fair enough, though I somewhat bucked the trend by voting to kill dylan before sparks (on LAL grounds).

[Stewie]

That said, it might not be a bad idea for Stewie to go back and provide a summary of his reasoning behind each nom/vote. We want as much useful info out of this challenge as possible.

I already posted reasons for my noms/votes in the posts in which I made them, or one prior. If there's a specific vote/nom in which you are not sure what my reasons were, point it out and I'll explain it.

[The Fonz]

I was kinda hoping you'd talk us through your thought process, more in general, as the game went on. I will go back and do a focussed re-read. As I said, I really haven't found you scummy at any point. Bah. Perhaps I'm just too fixated on trying to get

something

out of this challenge before it's over, lest Dylan somehow come up town.

[The Fonz]

Nah, I got nuttin'. Pretty much every single post of Stewie's, I agree with, or at least can see the pro-town rationale behind it. He's been generally patient, willing to listen to others, and has made his attacks on things I'm also on record as finding scummy.

The only real thing of note is that Stewie really hasn't said anything about possible linkages between other players, and most of his comments are directed at players who are already dead, or about to be. This isn't scummy in itself, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on something other than the player who is the no1 lynch candidate on a given day.

Stewie, if Dylan is scum, who do you think are likely to be his buddies? Who would you most suspect if he comes up town?

[Stewie]

I'd have to do a full reread to find something in particular, but off the top of my head Dean and Albert are possible scum. Dean due to his "it's not mafia, it's a group of three" comment he made earlier in the game and a general vibe I got, and Albert for the way SpinWizard was posting, and him taking too long to post his case against mneme when there was no good reason not to. It's pretty weak though. I think that the debate with sparks about the nom system and BM going against what the town wanted both got people voting against them regardless of their alignment. They seemed scummy as hell, so even scum partners would have gone against them. In the case of BM, I think it's possible that the scum might be a bit more likely to vote to save him, but frankly it's an assumption I'm not willing to make. Dylan is also very scummy, which made everyone go against him (there doesn't seem to be anyone even thinking of voting to save him) so it's hard to make any connections to other people. For the same reasons, if he does turn up to be town it wouldn't really change who I suspect.

[Mr Stoofer]

Very busy at work at the moment. Hopefully I'll be able to make a substantive contribution tonight, but I had better

Vote: Stewie

now just in case I can't.

[Yosarian2]

Alright. The forum keeps going grey-screen-of-death on me, and I don't know how much I'll be able to get on in the next few days, so

vote:stewie

[Guardian]

Damn they're everywhere

You see the following on the back of your cereal box as you eat breakfast at the government cafeteria in the morning:

Game Status: Cycle 3
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 29 June 2007

Votes to Save

dylan41985

(0) -

Stewie

(5) - mneme, DeanWinchester, Albert B. Rampage, Mr Stoofer, Yosarian2

With 7 voters total, the first to four is saved! Failing to vote will result in modkill.

[dylan41985]

go after stoofer and stewie...seriously

[Albert B. Rampage]

dylan, what do you think about memne ?

[The Fonz]

Vote: Stewie

No point waiting and having an unexpected loss of connection or something cause modkill. Just VanDamien to come.

[dylan41985]

I think either memne or Yosarian is conserv with S & S

ciao everyone!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think either memne or Yosarian is conserv with S & S

ciao everyone!

Very helpful...

[pablito]

Game Status: End of Cycle 3
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 29 June 2007

Votes to Save

dylan41985

(0) -

Stewie

(7) - mneme, DeanWinchester, Albert B. Rampage, Mr Stoofer, Yosarian2, The Fonz, VanDamien

VanDamien voted beforehand and noted that he would save Stewie over dylan41985 in such a combination. With seven votes to save, Stewie has been saved.

After the short debate in which dylan41985 started discussing the merits of saving the future of the species of the Dodo bird, the public overwhelmingly decided that the Dodo did not need to be saved and that the political party was not worthwhile. Apparently the public does not find the need to donate political power and time toward such an exotic species of bird.Therefore dylan41985, minor party candidate has been lynched!

New deadlines:

Game Status: Cycle 4
Deadline to Challenge: Sometime between the 3rd and 4th of July (no exceptions for the American holiday)
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 7 July 2007

[Stewie]

Sweep!

Just had to post that. I'm going to bed and I'll post something else tomorrow or when I get time (which is probably tomorrow).

[Stewie]

Ok, should we lynch VanDamien today, or do you guys think that we should let him live a bit longer?

[Albert B. Rampage]

4-3-1..?

It all depends on how much you trust VD's ability to catch scum and his motivation to help the town.