Mini 443 - Tapioca Mafia - Game over!!

[Ripley]

@Ripley-hi, its been a long time since i've had opportunity to participate in game with you

Hello Battle Mage. Yes, I think the game we played together, Open 9, was one of your very first here. You seem to have made quite a name for yourself since then!

[pickemgenius]

2) Pickemgenius

Khelvaster made an initial comment about bandwagons on page 2.

So, the bandwagon switched from Shady to pickem?

To this, Pickem wrote:

Khel, I hardly count 2 votes as a wagon, and as a sidenote:
Why, you looking for one to join, hmmmm

unvote

vote: Khelvaster

After reading, I actually find this suspicious. Khelvaster never said he

wanted

to join a bandwagon, he was just wondering where the bandwagons were moving. So overall this is a misinterpretation of Khelvaster, something I just picked up. My view here can be emphasised by the fact that Khelvaster says "I'm not looking for a bandwagon." I would say it was an "unhealthy interest in bandwagons" as Ripley put it. But Khelvaster never said he wanted to join one.

Wondering where the bandwagon was and asking where it has moved to implies like he wants to be on it in a subtle way.

After a bout of lurking, Shadyforce makes a good point, saying:

I don't know why, but I'm getting scummy vibes from pickem but I can't quite put my finger on it. He has posted a good few times, without actually contributing much by way of analysis or opinion. His posts have just been random or quiet votes. He quietly put a second "random" vote on Shanba, and later quietly puts a second on Khel. Then as the pressure rose on Khel over the next page or two, he kept his vote there while saying nothing, happy to be on the bandwagon without actually looking to be driving it.

It's scummy behaviour.

To which pickem replies:

My vote was more of a way to get out of the random voting stage.

Khel still hasn't responded about himself, and I was disappointed when he posted last night.

Personally, I agree with Shady here - Pickem seemed to be driving something without really driving it - a subtle way of leading a bandwagon early on day 1. Also, as we know Khelvaster is Mafia, it could be a way later in the game for pickem to justify how he is pro-town.

In fact, it is an argument that pickem has been using

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I took full responsibility for the BW on Khel, I never denied I was leading it either.

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Could you show everyone an example where I say I was town because I was the Bandwagon leader of Khel. kthxbai.

He later gets into an sort of an argument with Khelvaster about all Khel's responses. His reasons seem to be that he was doing it to "evoke a response". To me, this seems to suggest he didn't find him scummy. Seeing as he evoked a response, why didn't he take off his vote? And he then says "Lurking is a mafia sign" even though he is lurking. Not only had he not posted much at that point, his posts had only some content (and he basically ignored all other issues, bar Khelvaster).

Blatant OMGUS from Khel(his reaction) made me keep my vote on him.

Overall, I find it scummy that pickem votes for Khelvaster and misinterprets him, and also doesn't focus on other issues that were occurring (he only discusses Khel in his posts, not d8P or anything else). I find this as scummy, and could be early distancing. His early play makes it difficult to read him - I myself said in my player analysis on page 8 that I hadn't "a clear opinion about him."

Heh, I was quite happy with my vote the whole time, and took note of certain things, just nobody Day 1 was scummier then Khel.

After my analysis, he makes a bizarre comment:

Would most people agree most of Day 1 is WIFOM, until somebody gets lynched, then we can go back and look for connections and what not,just certain things scream it louder then others.

On a side note, I have absolutely no idea what this means, seeing as most of day 1 is most certainly not WIFOM.

Perhaps this post shows strategy on his part - he already points to connections between players that can be drawn after lynching. It almost implies that once Khelvaster is lynched and is shown to be scum, he would look more town, according to his own strategy.

Nope, nobody knows anything (except scum) on Day 1, and until we get a lynch, we can't solidly point fingers at anybody for their interactions/lack of, with people.

That said, he does elicit some town tells. He says that deadlines are bad for the town (on page 10, when Khel asks for a deadline).

-Another reason I was quite happy with my vote on Khel.

Interestingly, MFB points out on Page 12 that pickem has only attacked Khelvaster the whole game. He also mentions something about random voting, which pickem talks about in his next post, completely ignoring the fact he has only attacked Khelvaster. In essense, it is lurking in plain sight - only providing opinions on one player, and seemingly ignoring all others. Also, it could be seen as a form of distancing.

-Lurking in plain sight.....hardly, I knew I was only attacking Khelvaster the whole time, as I've said before, until I find someone scummier, I leave my vote on.

After even more lurking, Patrick replaces and basically says he has no read on pickem, except that pickem focuses on only Khelvaster, something pickem says he does in other games and gives a reference. I still personally find it scummy.

- You find it scummy that I did this same exact thing in Newbie 334 and was a townie in that game?

Page 16, I find him to be pro-town. He argues his points well against crap logic from Khelvaster. Although, again, attention is heavily paid to Khel, and barely anyone else (although he does mention Earwig). However, after Earwig's claim, he just jumps in and says it is "safe" and pretty much dismisses him. He also says that he is against people influencing Earwig's choice, which could potentially be either pro or anti-town.

- You just said it, crap logic by Khel, I was still very happy with my vote on Khel.
- I believe Khel made a reference to it being a crap claim or something, and I said that a vig claim was believeable.

On Day 2, he basically makes no impact - just quickly leaves a vote on d8P and says almost nothing for the entirety of the day. This could easily be interpreted as scummy play - leaving no impact, but hiding away, as though he doesn't want to be linked in any way to d8P or Khelvaster. Indeed this is emphasised by his day 3 behaviour, where he makes badly formatted posts referring to the links of the dead players.

This shows how much emphasis he puts on links between the scum - something he seemed to say subtly early in the game he would not show

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Day 2, hmm, what impact did you make again?

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Masons get guilty results when investigated?


anybody?

Hey I atleast contributed something during day 2, if not this basically solidified d8p as scum. So you can try and say i didn't say anything day 2, when it was really fast, and you said basically jack shit as well.

Are you seriously using badly formatted posts to call me scum?

Also if you wouldn't mind looking at my poorly formatted post about Khelvaster's interactions, you'll find me listed in it quite a bit.

Underlined- yes, looking for interactions between known scum and everyone else is bad .

Overall, in day 1, he basically makes a whole ton of non-content posts, and only focuses on Khelvaster. Even then, he basically says very little - just focussing on the "getting out of random voting" argument as a reason for his vote. He says nothing for the entire day, and because he was against Khelvaster, it could lead to him being seen as more pro-town. Day 2, again, no links to d8P, but shoves a blatant vote on the bandwagon. And day 3, he seems too to just jump against me, the person with the most suspicion early in day 3.

- Non content, more like constant stonewalling of Khel's craplogic Day 1.
- My vote on Khel (at first) was to get out of the random voting stage, his Blatant OMGUS on me, and craplogic solidified it.
- What links did anybody have with d8p on Day 2?
- Blatant vote on a bandwagon, are you serious?
WHY THE FUCK do you not vote somebody found guilty by an uncounterclaimed cop?
- Yeah, mainly I find you most suspicious (still). Your case seems a little OMGUS also.

I would say that pickem's behaviour could easily make him be the last scum. Unlike Shanba, I believe his posts in relation to Khelvaster (how he attacked him almost all day 1) can be seen as scummy, as they aren't actually very analytical, and don't really show why Khelvaster is scum. The way he said absolutely nothing about d8P also shows there could be a link between them - distancing.

It should therefore be obvious that I consider pickem to be the final scum in the game.

- I attacked Khelvaster all of day one, I think i've been fairly clear it's just my playstyle, and reference (at the time) my only completed game.
- Stonewalling craplogic, and Blatant OMGUS isn't hard to do really.
- d8p didn't say alot, besides mainly responding to your mega post.


- So to close it up, you think I'm scum because I only focused on Khel the first day, and in this same post where you attack me, you list quite a few reasons why I never moved my vote from Khel (craplogic, deadline)?

[Ectomancer]

Tentative deadline is set for Monday July 2nd 6pm CST. It could be withdrawn if posting picks up

[HungryJoe]

Pickem does have a solid point here that I believe. Most of Aimee's case is based on his attacking Khelvaster long and hard, but why is that such undeniable proof? I myself attacked pretty much just 2 people, and it em hard: Khel and Earwig. I'm pretty much proven innocent, and I did the same! Is it so hard to believe that he's a townie trying to get some scum killed? Khel's actions on day one were just begging for death, so I don't see why this one argument can hold the basis of your suspicions, Aimee.

[Ripley]

I'm requesting that the deadline be removed because we've had absolutely no content from Battle Mage yet. His predecessor elailai made a few brief posts on Day 2, about masons and tactics, and before that there was a long gap between Coppélia's last post and her replacement by elailai. You actually have to go back to May 25th for the last post with any content from Coppélia. I don't think this role should be allowed to get away with a further day of not posting content.

[Ectomancer]

The deadline stands. If you need prods, feel free to request them.

[pickemgenius]

Mod: Prod Ela, BM.

[Shanba]

Elailai is BM.

Hrm. Pickem makes a few good points, but I can see some flaws with his defence. I'd much rather let Aimee respond to it though, as I need to get a better read on her.

[Ectomancer]

Prod has been sent to BM

[Battle Mage]

prod recieved. dont worry, i am here, just need time to reread. It will be done either tomorrow or on Monday at the latest.

[Aimee]

BM, we really need it by tomorrow. Sorry for the pressure, but the deadline is on Monday.

[Ripley]

Mod:

please can we have a votecount?

[Ectomancer]

On the lynching block today:

voting: 2/6

Battle Mage (1) - Shanba
pickemgenius (1) - Aimee

not voting: 4/6

pickemgenius
Battle Mage
Ripley
HungryJoe

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[HungryJoe]

Well, my chief suspicions lie with elailai and aimee right now. I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to take my second choice on this.

Vote : Battle Mage

Sorry, BM, but your predecessors were just scummy enough to make second on my scum list, and I think that Shanba's a pretty solid townie.

[Aimee]

Would it be a good idea to consider no lynch today?

[Shanba]

Hrm. Like I said it's probably worth no lynching today.

Unvote: Vote: No lynch

[Aimee]

I agree. With the deadline today, I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching anyone yet (although pickem remains my top suspect). I think that it would benefit us more not to rush into a lynch, and to no lynch.

Vote: no lynch

[Aimee]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

[Battle Mage]

Vote: No Lynch

reading now.

[Battle Mage]

Since my partner has hinted that she doesn't want to support me,

vote: d8P

Im not sure if anyone else picked up on this already, but i feel it may be quite significant. A few posts prior to this, D8P had volunteered to claim. Within the space of those few posts, he had changed to the stance shown above. Now, scum cant communicate during the day, so he must have got this indication from someone between those posts. The only people who's posts could be construed as anything like warning him off a claim, are those by Pickemgenius and Aimee. Note also the female tense used in his post. As far as i am aware/care Pickem is male. Aimee is possibly the only player here who isn't. Now obviously the latter slip up doesnt make for a good argument, but i do suggest that the rest of you reread that page (23ish?).

Unvote, Vote: Aimee

not that i am expecting any sort of lynch to occur today.

[Ectomancer]

FYI, just under 8 hours until deadline.

[Aimee]

Since my partner has hinted that she doesn't want to support me,

vote: d8P

Im not sure if anyone else picked up on this already, but i feel it may be quite significant. A few posts prior to this, D8P had volunteered to claim. Within the space of those few posts, he had changed to the stance shown above. Now, scum cant communicate during the day, so he must have got this indication from someone between those posts. The only people who's posts could be construed as anything like warning him off a claim, are those by Pickemgenius and Aimee. Note also the female tense used in his post. As far as i am aware/care Pickem is male. Aimee is possibly the only player here who isn't. Now obviously the latter slip up doesnt make for a good argument, but i do suggest that the rest of you reread that page (23ish?).

Unvote, Vote: Aimee

not that i am expecting any sort of lynch to occur today.

1. If this was actually a point, it would refer to Coppelia just as much.
2. It could easily be a way for d8P to throw suspicion around, to try and get suspicion onto me (remembering when Khel said you and I were his scum-buddies, this could easily be a similar tell).
3. That is obviously stretching.

I don't really see how that weak tell justifies a vote today, although you yourself seem to admit you don't expect a lynch to occur. Is it a way to show your suspicion of me?

[Battle Mage]

exactly.

[pickemgenius]

Don't like a No-lynch here, in fact

Vote:Aimee

[Ectomancer]

On the lynching block today:

voting: 5/6

Aimee (2) - Battle Mage, pickemgenius
Battle Mage (1) - HungryJoe
No lynch (2) - Shanba, Aimee

not voting: 1/6

Ripley

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The town, try as they might, coudldn't come to a consensus. Though a couple of people were angry with Aimee, they couldnt convince the rest of the town to string her up. With the sun going down, they decided to all head home and take up lynching again the next day.

Aimee has 2 votes, with 6 people it takes 4 to lynch normally, 3 at deadline. 2 votes results in a No Lynch. Please get your night choices in ASAP. Day 4 will begin 6pm CST Friday July 6th.