Mini 452 NBA All-Stars Mafia-Game Over!

xyzzy · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:58 am

Wait, isn't it possible that he was actually communicating with a scum? It doesn't appear that the masonry was guaranteed to be with a townsperson...

So searching for them is pretty futile...

YogurtBandit · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:02 am

xyzzy wrote:Wait, isn't it possible that he was actually communicating with a scum? It doesn't appear that the masonry was guaranteed to be with a townsperson...

So searching for them is pretty futile...

But, It couldve been helpful... The scum must've known.

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:32 am

Well, if HC did make the mistake of choosing a mafia guy to form the masonry with, that might explain his death on Night 1. But I'd have to believe the mafia would be smart enough to try and use that to their advantage rather than just kill him on Night 1. But the ability to form a masonry seems kind of stupid (read: interesting) if HC didn't know if the person he chose was town or not.

Regardless, I'm forced to conclude that it would have been silly for the mafia to kill off a link to the town that could be swayed to help lynch other townies. I think it's one of the four I originally guessed.

Is it safe to assume that HC formed the masonry before Day 1 and that they had a chance to talk before the game started? If not, then it doesn't really matter who HC talked to since he's dead and the other mason really learned no new information.

Thok · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:09 am

Official Vote Count

inHimshallibe (1): (The Central Scrutinizer)
Fletcher (0):
The Central Scrutinizer (0):
Sonicpulsar (0):
xyzzy (0):
YogurtBandit (0):
IH (0):
mlaker (0):
Xdaamno (0):

Not Voting (8): (Fletcher, inHimshallibe, Sonicpulsar, xyzzy, YogurtBandit, IH, mlaker, Xdaamno)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

A clarification: Any night choices made by any players in the game happened no earlier than last night (Night 1).

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:42 pm

Thanks Thok. You answered my question.

Ok, well that makes the analysis a bit easier. For all intents and purposes, HC's death was just a vanilla townie. At least he wasn't one of the other power roles.

YogurtBandit · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:59 pm

Sonicpulsar wrote:Thanks Thok. You answered my question.

Ok, well that makes the analysis a bit easier. For all intents and purposes, HC's death was just a vanilla townie. At least he wasn't one of the other power roles.

Other?

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:12 pm

Cop, Vigilante, Doctor, etc, etc. Being a mason with one other person, while powerful, probably wouldn't help the game as much as a doctor or cop. Vig is up for grabs.

YogurtBandit · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:23 am

There probably isnt a Vig, since there was only one kill, unless there is a doc aswell, but 3 possible power roles is a little insane(Even for Thok

)

Maybe we should Nameclaim?

Xdaamno · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:53 am

Cop, Vigilante, Doctor, etc, etc. Being a mason with one other person, while powerful, probably wouldn't help the game as much as a doctor or cop. Vig is up for grabs.

Mason can be MUCH more helpful than doctor in some situations, and vigilantes can actually be detrimental to the town in others.

-teach-

I'll review the rest of day 2 when I can be bothered.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:42 pm

Check the vacations/away thread.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:23 am

inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum. A short defense: schismatized was lynched before I normally come back to post, which I then would have explained what I had meant the night before. I left my post open like I did because I wanted to get some reactions... so much for that. I'm not all that unhappy that schismatized was lynched, because (a) I thought he was scum, and (b) I'm pretty sure we can get scum Today or Tomorrow because of it.

I'll assume I'm not scum, I hope that's fair, and continue on. mlaker lurks like nobody's business and then sheeps along to get the wagon going full steam ahead. xyzzy sheepvotes, notes the wagon is at -1 and does nothing. YB hammers without much comment. Now, I like to see quick Days... but not even commenting about anything concerning the lynch votes they were making, I see xyzzy and YB as the most likely scum. (mlaker did mention xdaamno's claim, to his credit.)

vote: YB

- not as much for the hammer, but for the massclaim suggestion.

YogurtBandit · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:46 am

I don't see the problem with Nameclaiming, maybe we can see a similarity?

mlaker · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:23 am

Yogurt Bandit I don't know if you meant SK when you said that since there wasn't a second kill then there must not be a vig, but a vigilante is generally pro town and can kill but since it's a pro town role it would be unwise to kill every night. I don't think name claiming is a horrible idea, but I do think that one of the cons would be that with the name claim we could oust someone who is most obviously a role. I don't know, I don't think the name claim suggestion warrants a vote.

Xdaamno · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:32 am

I guess nameclaiming would be fine as long as it dosen't blind us if someone's name looks scummy, but then again I'd expect the mod to have provided a few safe claims in a game like this.

IH · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:14 am

ok, hold on, need to look over the last few pages.

IH · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:19 am

why oh why didn't you kill xdaamno. = (

Haschel had contacted me last night too = (

You're reasonings about only mafia and no SK is faulty, especially since someone could have been blocked, docced, or the SK has another action and can't kill to use it (Like being investigation immune or unkillable)

THat's just over the beginning of today, I'll try to start tonight from where my last post was.

Xdaamno · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:29 am

why oh why didn't you kill xdaamno. = (

...

I'm afraid life is pain?

>.>

YogurtBandit · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:36 am

[quote="inHimshallibe"]inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum. /quote]

You think yourself is scum?

Fos:Ihim

Xdaamno · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:22 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum. /quote]

You think yourself is scum?

Fos:Ihim

No, he means he thinks one of those guys is scum, or otherwise he's lying, and thus he's scum. He's presenting it from our point of view (Correct me if I'm wrong inhim).

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:31 am

IH wrote:Haschel had contacted me last night too = (

So, we've learned a couple of things here.

1. We have to assume HC thought IH to be the most pro-town person out of us all.

2. IH could be lying and we know that liars are always lynched.

Since 2 is unlikely, I'm gonna go with 1.

I haven't come to any conclusions yet, I'm just stating what I see.

Xdaamno · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:53 am

Sonicpulsar wrote:
IH wrote:Haschel had contacted me last night too = (
So, we've learned a couple of things here.

1. We have to assume HC thought IH to be the most pro-town person out of us all.

Why do we have to assume this? And why what would be benifet from assuming this anyway?

2. IH could be lying and we know that liars are always lynched.

LaL is a debatable theory; a pro-town player can have many reasons to lie, so I disagree (Though, admittedly, this is more often scummy than not. Innocent until guilty, however)

Since 2 is unlikely, I'm gonna go with 1.

I haven't come to any conclusions yet, I'm just stating what I see.

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:02 pm

Well, it gives us some insight in to what HC might have to say about at least one person (namely IH). In other words, if HC hadn't been killed, it's sometimes useful to think of what he probably would have done. I was just stating that we can assume he trusted IH since he wanted to add him to his masonry.

While I agree there are times where a townie can/should lie, most of the time people realize the LAL rule. Thus, people will only lie when it's either quite unlikely that they'll be caught or when it's to their advantage (read: scum) or both. I guess I'm just getting at the fact that it tends to be a scummy activity to lie, townies have little to hide, scum have everything to hide.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:00 am

Xdaamno wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum.
You think yourself is scum?

Fos:Ihim

No, he means he thinks one of those guys is scum, or otherwise he's lying, and thus he's scum. He's presenting it from our point of view (Correct me if I'm wrong inhim).

Yeah, that's why I started off my analysis with "I'll assume I'm not scum, I hope that's fair..."

Also,

FOS: xdaamno, sonicpulsar

for beginning to derail the Day with meta-talk, especially LAL-talk. I'm not sure which of you is guiltier, at the moment: sonicpulsar for the initial comment or xdaamno for expanding it to topic talk.

Sonicpulsar · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:10 am

Didn't realize I was derailing the thread. I can try and minimize my "meta-talk" if it's annoying people or contributing very little to the thread.

I just like to state things I'm thinking early so that it doesn't sound like I'm defending someone or trying to redirect focus off of other people. If you're paying attention, I'm basically defending IH in the above posts.

I'm busy with a wedding this weekend (I'm a groomsman) so I won't be posting until late Sunday. Guess that'll give me a chance to reply to actual posts rather than state my analyses and continue my "meta-talk". At least I'm talking/discussing.

Xdaamno · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:18 am

Also, FOS: xdaamno, sonicpulsar for beginning to derail the Day with meta-talk, especially LAL-talk. I'm not sure which of you is guiltier, at the moment: sonicpulsar for the initial comment or xdaamno for expanding it to topic talk.

Eh.

FOS: Inhim

For crap logic (You're derailing a viable game theory discussion, relating to our own players. While it's not the best use of our time I didn't think you'd make this a full-scale conversation).

Also, waaaait a second.

IH wrote: Haschel had contacted me last night too = (

Uhm, wouldn't the selected partner mason be empowered at the end of the night (Since that's when the action takes effect), and thus he wouldn't be able to talk in the same night and also wouldn't know he'd been chosen?