NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)


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Post Post #2575 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:11 pm

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In post 2573, Garmr wrote:
In post 2571, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:Nakedjogger


discuss!


I love it.

thanks.

vote:kthxbye
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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Post Post #2576 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:17 pm

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-_-
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Post Post #2577 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:26 pm

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Is he your biggest town read? If so he's deff scum.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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Post Post #2578 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:41 pm

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So your saying my scum read on strange cougar was wrong nero?
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Post Post #2579 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:44 pm

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I'm saying that voting opposite of you is good.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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Post Post #2580 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:15 pm

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I think ktnx is prob town. I haven't town read any flipped scum this game nero they just been secondary to my initial scum reads.
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Post Post #2581 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:11 pm

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*Refer back to this post Tomorrow when I've flipped Town*

1. If we're running the Hood, then we're just banking on a numbers game. Do not stop until you've found Scum in it. After me, Lynch TDA and then Nero {unless TDA flips Scum}. Having anyone from the Hood alive at end game will only be a distraction.
2. Kthx is Town 100%. This is not a meta Read and it's not indicative of my flip. I repeat, he is ConfTown and someone else out there should know it, too.
3. As AntiTown as the Masons are, they're ConfTown. Scum is going to have to burn 2 NKs on them before too long. TTH's push against my Garmr case proves that she Copped one of them.
4. Neither Jogger nor midget should be alive at End game.
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Post Post #2582 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:46 pm

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What changed?
In post 552, d3x wrote:I'm not convinced that there has to be Scum in the Hood.

In post 2121, d3x wrote:2Masons+3Hoodies = potentially 1 Scum, but not guaranteed.
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Post Post #2583 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:51 pm

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What changed is that we seem to be going down the rabbit hole on the 'Hood must have Scum' thing. If we're starting it, then we need to finish it; we shouldn't have Hoodies alive at End Game.

ftr- I'm still not of a mind that there
has
to be Scum in the Hood, but if we're not going to Hunt outside, then we need to do the full job before losing the plot.
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Post Post #2584 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:54 pm

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In post 2583, d3x wrote:What changed is that we seem to be going down the rabbit hole on the 'Hood must have Scum' thing.

Thinking that someone who happens to be in a neighbourhood is scum is not the same as thinking that an arbitrary 3 person hood in a large game must have scum in it.
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Post Post #2585 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:58 pm

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Also, if your wrong about there being scum in the hood then we can't prevent one of NJ and rm from reaching end game, assuming it gets that far.
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Post Post #2586 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:03 pm

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In post 2581, d3x wrote:*Refer back to this post Tomorrow when I've flipped Town*

1. If we're running the Hood, then we're just banking on a numbers game. Do not stop until you've found Scum in it. After me, Lynch TDA and then Nero {unless TDA flips Scum}. Having anyone from the Hood alive at end game will only be a distraction.
2. Kthx is Town 100%. This is not a meta Read and it's not indicative of my flip. I repeat, he is ConfTown and someone else out there should know it, too.
3. As AntiTown as the Masons are, they're ConfTown. Scum is going to have to burn 2 NKs on them before too long. TTH's push against my Garmr case proves that she Copped one of them.
4. Neither Jogger nor midget should be alive at End game.


This post pings me. How have we been anti town.
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Post Post #2587 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:04 pm

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VOTE: Dex
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Post Post #2588 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:01 am

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L-1
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Post Post #2589 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:02 am

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Shhhh
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Post Post #2590 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:53 am

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VoteCount 6.2


d3x (4):
NakedJogger, TheDudeAbides, randomidget, Garmr
dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Garmr (0):

Kthxbye (1):
Nero Cain
NakedJogger (1):
d3x
Nero Cain (0):

randomidget (0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- dragonspawn, Dripping Goofball, Kthxbye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.


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Post Post #2591 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:22 pm

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In post 2581, d3x wrote:*Refer back to this post Tomorrow when I've flipped Town*

1. If we're running the Hood, then we're just banking on a numbers game. Do not stop until you've found Scum in it. After me, Lynch TDA and then Nero {unless TDA flips Scum}. Having anyone from the Hood alive at end game will only be a distraction.
2. Kthx is Town 100%. This is not a meta Read and it's not indicative of my flip. I repeat, he is ConfTown and someone else out there should know it, too.
3. As AntiTown as the Masons are, they're ConfTown. Scum is going to have to burn 2 NKs on them before too long. TTH's push against my Garmr case proves that she Copped one of them.
4. Neither Jogger nor midget should be alive at End game.


This is town.
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Post Post #2592 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:48 pm

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In post 2591, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2581, d3x wrote:*Refer back to this post Tomorrow when I've flipped Town*

1. If we're running the Hood, then we're just banking on a numbers game. Do not stop until you've found Scum in it. After me, Lynch TDA and then Nero {unless TDA flips Scum}. Having anyone from the Hood alive at end game will only be a distraction.
2. Kthx is Town 100%. This is not a meta Read and it's not indicative of my flip. I repeat, he is ConfTown and someone else out there should know it, too.
3. As AntiTown as the Masons are, they're ConfTown. Scum is going to have to burn 2 NKs on them before too long. TTH's push against my Garmr case proves that she Copped one of them.
4. Neither Jogger nor midget should be alive at End game.


This is town.

Says the one who called ds scum the mason and got feed nerocain a fake cop guilty.
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Post Post #2593 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:55 pm

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and feed the fake cop guilty to nerocain.
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Post Post #2594 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:34 pm

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dodging prods till Wednesday. Work is busy
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Post Post #2595 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:22 pm

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I'm debating. That post from d3x seemed town. I'm fairly confident Nero and tda are town.

I'd like to know why kth is confirmed town. Or why anyone else should know that. The paranoia in me is thinking when d3x flips scum he is trying to make us think Kath is a partner.


Randoms post are making me uncomfortable again. How many scum were on his wagon versus ikas?

We have at least one scum left. We need to think this out
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Post Post #2596 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:05 pm

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It doesn't matter why Kthx is ConfTown. He is. Don't sit there and fret over it, just know that when I flip Town you can bank on that shit.

I am clearly the Lynch for the Day and I'm not completely against it. I think Scum is leaving the Hood and Masons alone {via Night Kills} largely to sow paranoia. They will have to deal with the Masons pretty soon and that'll clear up that. The Hood needs to be flushed because it's obviously getting to be a distraction this late in the game. If it waits much longer, we'll run out of time and someone will do something stupid {like run me up to L-1 when we're in LyLo}.
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Post Post #2597 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:21 pm

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Unvote


Things to discuss.
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Post Post #2598 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:02 pm

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Well, kthx is conf. town.
Lynching the claimed masons would be dumb, and I think they are town.
I think it is very unlikely that Nero Cain is scum.

I think DGB's interactions with the scum make her somewhat less likely to be scum.
RM is more likely to be town because he didn't realize that Ika replaced AA. There's also the fact that he claimed VT and didn't try to draw out a doc claim (assuming pacman was a vig kill and the scum kill failed)
NJ is somewhat more likely to be town because the IAI NK doesn't make sense if he's scum, since IAI would have helped him with his d3x lynch, but looking at IAI's ISO he was scum reading NJ, so that's reduces the value of that reasoning, but still why not keep him alive a day to force the d3x lynch.

Then there is d3x. So far it seems that the best reason to think that he's town is kthx's meta read on him. It's also fair to say that as scum he probably would have interacted with the other scum differently. Nevertheless I think that IAI's case on d3x is decent.

One thing that makes me worry more about RM is the way that flipped scum avoided his wagon at it's peak:

In post 1078, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 2.8


Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (1):
TellTaleHeart
Dripping Goofball (6):
randomidget, Kid A, TheDudeAbides, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug, Albert B. Rampage
Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (1):
Peacebringer
Ika (1):
Nero Cain
Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):
Ika
NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (0):

Peacebringer (1):
I Am Innocent
randomidget (6):
dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, Dripping Goofball, NakedJogger
StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

I went back through all the VC's. Hopefully they're all accurate this time. Sorry for any inconveniences this may have caused.
I Am Innocent is on V/LA until Saturday. His prod has been adjusted to a poke.

In post 1060, TheDudeAbides wrote:Mod: can you please ban spoilers? This sort of posting is unreadable.

Sorry. As long as the spoilers don't violate any of the rules and people aren't hiding their votes in them, I'm allowing them.


In post 1127, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 2.9


Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (5):
randomidget, Kid A, TheDudeAbides, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug
Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (1):
Peacebringer
Ika (1):
Nero Cain
Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):
Ika
NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):
Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart, Albert B. Rampage
Peacebringer (1):
I Am Innocent
randomidget (5):
dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, NakedJogger
StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

I Am Innocent is on V/LA until Saturday.
Nero Cain was on V/LA earlier and his prod was changed to a poke.


DGB unvoted.

This where Nero was pushing for a Ika lynch.

In post 1230, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 2.10


Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (4):
randomidget, Kid A, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug
Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Ika (4):
Nero Cain, TheDudeAbides, Peacebringer, Dripping Goofball
Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):
Ika
NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):
TellTaleHeart, Albert B. Rampage, I Am Innocent
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (5):
dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, NakedJogger
StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).


RM is driven up again:
In post 1251, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:RM


if I can't get an ika wagon tomorrow HERE WILL BE BLOOD!



Nero, goes back to Ika:

In post 1285, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:ika


gonna see where this goes.


Flipped scum Sc votes RM.
In post 1289, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 1263, Randomnamechange wrote:
In post 1262, d3x wrote:Why were you assuming her as a Town flip before you started TownReading her?

Ever heard of bussing? My point was that scum are going to be psuhing the wagon.

You actually expect this to answer the question?

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball
VOTE: randomidget


Before the ika lynch it was something like:

In post 1538, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 2.12


Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (1):
NakedJogger
dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (1):
Kid A
Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Ika (5):
TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain, randomidget, Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart
Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):
Ika
NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):
Albert B. Rampage, I Am Innocent, Flubbernugget
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (6):
dragonspawn, d3x, Garmr, Peacebringer, StrangerCoug, Kthxbye
StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

Ika and Kid A have been prodded.
Ika has until I find a replacement to post.

I'm willing to extend the deadline 12 hours if a majority (9) vote for it. I will not extend the deadline past that except in the case of a replacement.



Later in the game:

In post 1983, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.3


d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (5):
Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x
StrangerCoug (0):

TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- dragonspawn, Dripping Goofball, I Am Innocent, NakedJogger, Nero Cain

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


Nero starts pushing SC:

In post 2000, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:SC


lets see where this goes first.


In post 2027, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.4


d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (6):
Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget, NakedJogger
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x
StrangerCoug (2):
Nero Cain, I Am Innocent
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- dragonspawn, Dripping Goofball

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


In post 2075, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.5


d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (5):
Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, randomidget, NakedJogger
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (4):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x, Dripping Goofball
StrangerCoug (3):
Nero Cain, I Am Innocent, Peacebringer
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- dragonspawn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


In post 2125, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.6


d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (1):
d3x
I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (1):
randomidget
Nero Cain (5):
Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger, dragonspawn
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball
StrangerCoug (3):
Nero Cain, I Am Innocent, Peacebringer
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


In post 2097, Nero Cain wrote:Mod: In the hypothetical situation that there are masons in this game what would they rolecop as?

Mason would be the name of their role, so a rolecop would receive a "mason" result.


In post 2228, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.7


d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (1):
d3x
I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (1):
randomidget
Nero Cain (5):
Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger, dragonspawn
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball
StrangerCoug (3):
Nero Cain, Peacebringer, I Am Innocent
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


Feeling generous because today's Valentine's Day. Prods go out tomorrow.


So there's this:
In post 2255, Randomnamechange wrote:Sry thought I posted more recently. D3x is quite clearly SC's buddy. Hw knows if he votes Nero he will look terrible so he votes the already declared compromise lynch, whilst leaving himself open to a bus if the SC wagon happens.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: strangercoug
I think d3x is scummier, but this will be an easier lynch.


In post 2301, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.8


d3x (2):
dragonspawn, I Am Innocent
dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):
StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (5):
TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball, d3x, Garmr
StrangerCoug (3):
Nero Cain, Peacebringer, randomidget
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


TheDudeAbides and Flubbernugget have been prodded. They have until I find replacements to post.


In post 2305, Randomnamechange wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: d3x
D3x scum SC prob scum

In post 2375, Randomnamechange wrote:Jesus christ
UNVOTE:
VOTE: stranger coug

In post 2376, The Dream Weaver wrote:
VoteCount 4.10


d3x (3):
dragonspawn, I Am Innocent, Garmr
dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):
StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger
Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (2):
Dripping Goofball, d3x
StrangerCoug (5):
Nero Cain, Kthxbye, TheDudeAbides, Peacebringer, randomidget
TheDudeAbides (0):


Not Voting
- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).


Dex is V/LA until 2/25.


Then SC got lynched.
". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
-Thompson.
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Post Post #2599 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:03 pm

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The point that the wagons on scum that prevented an RM lynch were driven off of RM who was not being wagoned by flipped scum.
". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
-Thompson.

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