Mini 470 - Some Guys Are Trying To Kill You (done)

[Streeflo]

Anyway,

FOS

Streeflo for #164 for now...just a feeling I have, nothing more at the moment.

Interesting. Do you want me to defend myself against this... feeling?

[Niv]

ok, so we decide that gator is stupid.

Wat i see here is that after Gator says VI, Oman votes for him. i have been suspicious of oman before, so i will now

Unvote, Vote oman.

that ss bad imo

[Oman]

Whats bad about it? That after Gator claims VI I vote for him. The reason I did that is he made exactly the same claim when I played with him earlier (I don't like to metagame, but this is involuntary). To say that you're either useless or scum is bad mojo. The only thing I can see that explains that, Niv, is that you're saying Gator has given me the okay to bus him....(??)

[Jimmy R]

Anyway,

FOS

Streeflo for #164 for now...just a feeling I have, nothing more at the moment.

Interesting. Do you want me to defend myself against this... feeling?

Up to you, there's not much to defend really, was just a feeling I'm getting from some of your posts, nothing more at the moment.

It's the other way around: Langley was/you are voting for me.

Apologies, I misread last night, was late.

Unvote Ergo

for now, still unsure and would like to hear from everyone else.

[Streeflo]

Well, I find it kind of dumb to declare yourself a village idiot. Like Oman said, you're either saying you're scum or useless. Not very helpful either way. If you think you're just going to be useless, why not replace out?

[Jimmy R]

Don't think Gator is Scum (although ive been known to be wrong) so I just feel like it's a wasted vote and it seems silly to try and start a bandwagon on a probable Townie.

Vote Streeflo

for now, lets see what happens.

mod, can we get a vote count

when you get chance please, just want to make sure my tally is right.

[Oman]

Streeflo, why get replaced out? It ruins the point of playing, we want players to get better, not get outta here.

Gator's on his second game and he's 14, its remarkably unfair to tell him to replace out!

I want to vote for you, but it will be in anger, so I'll hold back.

FoS and FoA Streeflo

Finger of Anger upon you.

[soupfly]

5. Mainly I'm defending Gator cause I've played with him when he was scum (subconscious metagaming) and this didn't smell the same.

gator is certainly suspicious in my eyes, not because of what he posted originally but because of his responses since then.

if i'm not mistaken, oman, this is the same behavior that got him lynched on day one in your other game...incidentally he was mafia in that game. not sure this is relevant but you mentioned that he's acting differently than in the other game...seems to me he's behaving the same. care to comment?

Gatorguy Metagaming

Same:

Begins with a jokey Random vote.
Ergo: “It's interesting that Gatorguy just unvoted as soon as he came under a little bit of pressure.” Gator did that in the previous game too.

Different:

Lurked heavily on the other, like...didn’t post.
Had 0, seriously zero, content in his posts other game. Post 45 was rather heavy in content for him.
VisMajor said it well “he does what I call "nonissueposting and agreeposting" Basically he either posts only to say nothing, or to say how much he agrees with other people.”
Didn’t even attempt to defend himself, said he wasn’t interested in doing it.

Note:

This is metagaming, its soooo not definative.

Whats bad about it? That after Gator claims VI I vote for him. The reason I did that is he made exactly the same claim when I played with him earlier (I don't like to metagame, but this is involuntary). To say that you're either useless or scum is bad mojo. The only thing I can see that explains that, Niv, is that you're saying Gator has given me the okay to bus him....(??)

wavering a bit in your recollection of how Gator played in the last game? first you say he's playing differently...then you say he's playing the same and deserves a vote. also, don't think gator really made that claim (VI) during that game...he just said he was 14.

i'm starting to see some inconsistencies in your argumentation...

[Oman]

I made those comments at two different points in the game. Gator's actions changed in that time, thus his behaviour in relation to the other game changed.

I understand the seeming inconsistency, if you leave out the change in Gator's movements. But can we stop this shitty metagaming, as someone said earlier, its his second game, its usesless, and I see that now. Looking back over his actions and all the metagaming stuff, its quite pointless.

[soupfly]

i'm not really metagaming here cause i'm not looking at Gator's play, but rather inconsistencies in what you wrote in this thread regarding Gator's play. Gator's play hasn't changed much (during this game) except that he's posting more. He's been playing like the VI since page 1.

plus, if you're against metagaming then why vote for Gator because, as you claim, he also played the VI card in the other game? you can't subconsciously do something and then post that you're doing it subconsciously...that's also a contradiction.

[Oman]

you can't subconsciously do something and then post that you're doing it subconsciously...that's also a contradiction.

I agree with you here, except I don't really understand this part.

Regardless,

Agree on not lynching until we hear from the others Unvote if I was.

I havent been voting for Gator in ages. I "saw the error of my ways".

[Streeflo]

Streeflo, why get replaced out? It ruins the point of playing, we want players to get better, not get outta here.

Gator's on his second game and he's 14, its remarkably unfair to tell him to replace out!

I want to vote for you, but it will be in anger, so I'll hold back.

FoS and FoA Streeflo

Finger of Anger upon you.

I'm not

telling

him to replace out. I'm just saying, if he really downplays his ability that much, why play at all? Have some confidence in yourself or something. It's really stupid to go around saying "Hey guys, I'm useless. So just ignore me =)"
I think 14 year olds can play this game too. You can be a noob and get help, but you don't need to

declare

yourself as an "idiot".

[Jenter Brolincani]

I am here, just so I don't get prodded.

Gator's VI calim was stupid, but I still want to lynch him though NOT BECAUSE OF THAT. His reactions with other players and other player's reactions to him mean that Gator would provide us with by far the most info if we lynch.

[Niv]

no what i ment was you voted for him after he said that his play was stupid and would stop, i belive. not what you said. you don't vote for someone beasuce you think they are stupid, you vote beacuse you think they are scum

[Oman]

What about sacrificiing a townie to learn something about others, like Jenter is saying? Of course, if he turns up town Jenter looks bad for pushing for it. Oh, the irony.

[Erg0]

I agree with what Niv is saying - the idea of lynching for information has merit, but you should only vote for someone that you think is scummy. Info gained from lynching a townie is generally not as good as that found when lynching scum, plus you lose the townie's vote, obviously.

[Oman]

plus you lose the townie's vote, obviously.

A fantastic point. Even if Gator is as bad as he says he is (which I don't beleive, FTR, I think he's new and thats it) we can still sway him to be a vote for us.

[Jimmy R]

plus you lose the townie's vote, obviously.

A fantastic point. Even if Gator is as bad as he says he is (which I don't beleive, FTR, I think he's new and thats it) we can still sway him to be a vote for us.

Gonna have to agree with you here guys. Would be a wasted day for us to vote for Gator. We're definitely better off focusing on someone who we think is Scum. Much more beneficial that way.

Keeping my vote on Streeflo for now but definitely

FOS Jenter

as well now for the above reasons.

[Niv]

We're definitely better off focusing on someone who we think is Scum.

Err on spam: thank you captian obvious

[Oman]

Jimmy, I don't think Gator gets a free pass to Day 2. If he does something scummy I'm going to look at him like I would anyone.

[Jimmy R]

We're definitely better off focusing on someone who we think is Scum.

Err on spam: thank you captian obvious

Eh, I know its obvious but it seemed some people were wanting to take the easy way and needed reminding of the point.

[Jimmy R]

I agree Oman, its just that nothing has happened yet to make me think he's scum. Streeflo and Jenter, on the other hand...

[Oman]

oh...Care to share. I've been looking at Jenter (lingering eye from earlier) and he's been quiet of late, so not much. But I would like to hear your Streeflo ideas as well as Jenter ideas.

[Jimmy R]

Mainly the fact that they were both pretty eager to jump on someone who even they admitted is probably town 'to gain more info'. Also from reading the earlier posts again, Jenter is posting a lot with prety much no content, possibly to try and stay off the radar.

Keeping my vote on Streeflo for now until further developments.

[Streeflo]

Mainly the fact that they were both pretty eager to jump on someone who even they admitted is probably town 'to gain more info'. Also from reading the earlier posts again, Jenter is posting a lot with prety much no content, possibly to try and stay off the radar.

Keeping my vote on Streeflo for now until further developments.

Where was I eager to jump? You must of course mean zakk_status, because

that's where my vote is

.