Mini 419: Farkle Mafia (Game Over)

[Thesp]

No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.

Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.

FoS: CES

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.

Why the frick would CES want the

whole thread

to know the cop's identity?

Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be

bad

for scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedly

not

more likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as they

don't

want the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)

Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina.

I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.

I am 1000% against a CES lynch today.

[kilmenator]

No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.

Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.

FoS: CES

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.

Why the frick would CES want the

whole thread

to know the cop's identity?

Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be

bad

for scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedly

not

more likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as they

don't

want the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)

Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina.

I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.

I am 1000% against a CES lynch today.

The problem thesp in the way that CES did all that was the way he basically said the cop would have a guilty on him. For a pro-town player, that doesnt seem very good. And basically by your submission here, you are stating that you think CES might be trying to gain info on someone to find out if they are the cop to protect them, wouldnt it stand to reason too that he could be scum hunting out the cop to target them tonight?

[Thesp]

The problem thesp in the way that CES did all that was the way he basically said the cop would have a guilty on him. For a pro-town player, that doesnt seem very good.

This is a reasonable argument/suggestion.

And basically by your submission here, you are stating that you think CES might be trying to gain info on someone to find out if they are the cop to protect them, wouldnt it stand to reason too that he could be scum hunting out the cop to target them tonight?

I don't think CES was trying to find out if someone was cop so he could protect them. I am suggesting that outing the cop

in such a way

would be highly unusual for scum (especially if it turns out they

don't

have a roleblocker), and scum typically hide their guesses on whom the cop might be so that they can privately kill them at night. (Claimed cops draw doc protection way more frequently than unclaimed ones do.) The manner in which he asked ThAdmiral to claim if he was cop didn't feel scummy to me.

On that note, I'd like to ask:

Cogito Ergo Scum, are you a miller?

A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to hear any other details of your role, whether you have them or not. I also think all millers should claim.

[Thesp]

The problem thesp in the way that CES did all that was the way he basically said the cop would have a guilty on him. For a pro-town player, that doesnt seem very good.

This is a reasonable argument/suggestion.

Re-reading CES's reaction jut now, it doesn't seem to as strongly indicate that he expected a guilty result on him as I first thought it might, based on your post, kilmenator. I think he's just got a terrible misread on why ThAdmiral was pushing him.

kilmenator, what do you think of Mokina?

[Dagger]

@ Dagger-
Your case against me is that I have been pushing a CES lynch? That is your whole case? Because if that is your case, that is a pretty ridiculous case.

It's not that you have been pushing for his lynch, but it's more of how you went about to push for it.

And what was scummy about that?

Very. "nudge, nudge, lynch CES, don't mind me, nudge, nudge".

Cogito Ergo Scum, are you a miller?

A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to hear any other details of your role, whether you have them or not. I also think all millers should claim.

If he is, he'll say. You definitely don't need to ask.

[Thesp]

If he is, he'll say. You definitely don't need to ask.

I don't know if he would if I didn't ask. I do, however, want to know.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

If I am indeed a Miller, I'm not aware of it.

And I just suspected Admiral had a guilty on me because he seemed 100% sure that I was scum (Finding scum partners before my alignment was confirmed either way, and such).

[Thesp]

CES's response feels genuine to me.

Die Mokina die.

[Mokina]

Why the frick would CES want the whole thread to know the cop's identity? Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be bad for scum.

Quite honestly, the cop should be making his/her own choices about when to stay undercover and when to reveal. I'm slightly bothered by CES's attempts to expose said cop as early as D2, not to mention the suspicious roleblocker claim. The latter doesn't seem like a plausible story in this setup. On the other hand, there are definitely plenty of mafia who stand to profit from CES's rolefishing.

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner. Die Mokina die.

Nice to know you're not jumping to conclusions. I've noticed you're being very defensive of CES today. Care to comment?

[Thesp]

Why the frick would CES want the whole thread to know the cop's identity? Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be bad for scum.

Quite honestly, the cop should be making his/her own choices about when to stay undercover and when to reveal. I'm slightly bothered by CES's attempts to expose said cop as early as D2, not to mention the suspicious roleblocker claim. The latter doesn't seem like a plausible story in this setup.

On the other hand, there are definitely plenty of mafia who stand to profit from CES's rolefishing.

You think a town roleblocker is unlikely in this setup?

How?

(At least, that's the impression I got from your mention of the "suspicious roleblocker claim", correct me if I'm wrong.)

Also, that last sentence is just plain

weird

to me. ("...there are plenty of mafia who stand to profit"?) I also noted that I think

how

CES asked ThAdmiral about cop-ness is far more likely to have come from town (even if misguided), and you seem to have glossed over that in favor of the "well it's bad for town" route. This bothers me.

Do you think

how

CES asked ThAdmiral about being a cop is

more likely

to come from scum, town, or neither? Why?

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner. Die Mokina die.

Nice to know you're not jumping to conclusions. I've noticed you're being very defensive of CES today. Care to comment?

I've been mildly uncomfortable but accepting of the wagon earlier, as it was a reasonable one, but not exciting to me. Seeing how you've approached it bothers me a whole heck of a lot and makes me think more strongly that he's town being strung up by scum exploiting reasonable town.

[ThAdmiral]

Unvote

I'm beginning to think that ces is not scum.
However this does not mean that I automatically think Kilmenator or Mokina are scum.

I have to think about this.

[Dagger]

I would be very much interested in lynching kilm today and leaving mokina for tomorrow.

For now though, I am highly curious at to bertrand's point of view on the current matters.

[Nai]

Mokina has informed me she's unable to continue playing the game, due to 4 weeks of upcoming inactivity. We're going for a replacement record here. Searching for another.

[somestrangeflea]

I am quite uneasy about CES. On one hand, we have the Roleblocker claim. Whilst I have little-no trouble believing the role itself, I can't help but feel a tad suspicious of the alignment, since I assume that this game is highly role based (especially due to the added Farkle-ness). That being said, it is still possible for a townie roleblocker. I am, however,

very

sceptical about the existence of a Miller Roleblocker...

[Thesp]

I am quite uneasy about CES. On one hand, we have the Roleblocker claim. Whilst I have little-no trouble believing the role itself, I can't help but feel a tad suspicious of the alignment, since I assume that this game is highly role based (especially due to the added Farkle-ness). That being said, it is still possible for a townie roleblocker. I am, however,

very

sceptical about the existence of a Miller Roleblocker...

Who said miller-roleblocker?

FOS: somestrangeflea

.

[somestrangeflea]

Uh, he's claimed Roleblocker, and you asked him if he was a miller...

[Thesp]

Uh, he's claimed Roleblocker, and you asked him if he was a miller...

Uh, he's asserted he's not a miller...

[somestrangeflea]

So? Sometimes Millers aren't told they're Millers. I was just speculating that, IMO, a Roleblocking Miller, who isn't told they're a Miller, is unlikely.

[Thesp]

So? Sometimes Millers aren't told they're Millers. I was just speculating that, IMO, a Roleblocking Miller, who isn't told they're a Miller, is unlikely.

How did you get the impression that he was, in fact, a miller?

[somestrangeflea]

Because you asked him if he was one! I never assumed he was a miller, I'm arguing against there being a miller!

[Thesp]

Because you asked him if he was one! I never assumed he was a miller, I'm arguing against there being a miller!

It seems moot, since he said he wasn't. Your comment seemed out of place. I'm just terribly confused as to why you're going down this route.

[somestrangeflea]

He said he wasn't a miller, but that doesn't mean he isn't. Nevertheless, I personally think that the chance of there being a Miller, who doesn't know he's a Miller, who's also a Roleblocker (which, for the purpose of this argument, we'll assume CES is), is quite unlikely.

The point, however, is fairly moo. I was merely thinking out loud about the setup...

[Thesp]

He said he wasn't a miller, but that doesn't mean he isn't. Nevertheless, I personally think that the chance of there being a Miller, who doesn't know he's a Miller, who's also a Roleblocker (which, for the purpose of this argument, we'll assume CES is), is quite unlikely.

The point, however, is fairly moo. I was merely thinking out loud about the setup...

Happy with my FOS. We don't have any reason to think he's actually a miller - the initial comment seems like throwaway suspicion rather than useful pondering.

[Nai]

JordanA24 replaced Mokina.

[Nai]

By the way, Kilmenator says he'll be gone for a week. If this proves to be too much of a problem (yeah, like that'll happen), he'll be replaced.