8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ooba]

Cya later
@wge this is what everyone said to me. i have closed my heard and no emotional attack will affect me. i will selfishly do what i please to get whatever chance to win i can get. because i am fucking tired of changing my mind in circles for the whle fucking game.

So you're tired of playing the game of Mafia?

Your plan is the equivalent of an ostrictch burying its hand in the sand.

[wgeurts]

Not stupid,
Except the scum in that group will just be smarter.
ABR will still have influence I can guarantee if he's scum
ICE will be impossible to string up
Ooba's/MS will be abused by scum if they are both town.
It not it's just going to cause havoc

[Alchemist21]

Are we still on Nacho Plan or ZZZX plan? I'm confused about what just happened.

[ZZZX]

Cya later
@wge this is what everyone said to me. i have closed my heard and no emotional attack will affect me. i will selfishly do what i please to get whatever chance to win i can get. because i am fucking tired of changing my mind in circles for the whle fucking game.

So you're tired of playing the game of Mafia?

Your plan is the equivalent of an ostrictch burying its hand in the sand.

no, i am tired of letting pointless thoughts cloud my judgement.

and its burying its headnot hand

[ZZZX]

Ooba's/MS will be abused by scum if they are both town.

its already happening anyway *looks at you thoughtfully*

[ooba]

Are we still on Nacho Plan or ZZZX plan? I'm confused about what just happened.

This is what happened:
- ZZZX wants to lynch Zar because
"before we sort out actives we can weed out lurking scum so we can have a pure scum hunting. we have enough lynches to make sure it works"
"he didnt do fucking shit. he can change his mind and trick if he was scum. esp if he had a team mate. what he said doesnt really mean crap"

When I countered that there are better lynch candidates:
"mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless"

I had a couple of points to say regarding Zar

The Zar lynch is stupid for many reasons: His first action on D4 was to analyse Sotty interactions - clear me and call Grey Conf town? Whats his endgame at this?

Lynch Grey: Will flip town

this is hte only one i am sure of.

wge is leaning town

zar? dont give me that shit here. unless you are directly whiteknighting you have no other proof

No proof. Look at his goddamn ISO.

Stop with this simplistic "He's not posted much. He's scum" bullshit.

TOWN
ABR
Metal Sonic
GreyICE
wgeurts
ZZZX
Nachomamma
Hoopla
Kagami/Silver
Eddie
Seraphim
Sotty
SCUM

These are the only fucking votes in his ISO.

VOTE: Sotty

VOTE: Kagami

Vote: Kagami

Tier 1: ABR, GreyICE, Metal Sonic
Tier 2: ZZZX, wgeurts, Nacho
Tier 3: Kagami, Sotty, ooba, mollie

Who the fuck is he scum with?

[wgeurts]

Not abusing it, trying to get it cleared so we can move on ZZZX.
If you're town work with me.

[ooba]

@Alchemist

: I don't know if you're the scum with MS.

If you aren't and town, I invite you to read my points on MS. I also want you to particularly go through his reactions throughout the day.

I thought I won't get my lynch because I needed 5 votes and ZZZX feels hell bent on avoiding resolving my suspicion on MS. If you are town, I think we can swing it.

Let me know what you think.

Unvote. Vote: MS

[ZZZX]

I am pretty hellbent on doing it yea.

And I still am. We are lynching zar, and if he flips scum ooba is dying no matter what.

[ooba]

We are lynching zar, and if he flips scum ooba is dying no matter what.

Stop hyping up your own paranoia.

I've called
- GreyICE (TBD)
- wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
- Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
- ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)
the following people town.

I've even disuaded GreyIce from a possible town ABR
- Alchemist Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

Which leaves:
- Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
- Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

What the hell is my endgame as scum here in a 6:2?
- I've also said I'll kill myself if MS flips town.
- I'm also willing to lynch myself if MS flips the next day

[pirate mollie]

If you want to weed out his partners, at least START WITH THE MOST PROBABLE ONE FROM INTERACTIONS TODAY. Vote Mollie - not Zar.

mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless

Why not just lynch via least-most posts then?

Zar as MS scumbuddy literally makes ZERO sense.
- Empire brought up the whole "lied about tokens" thing

you still haven't explained as to how me as a scumbuddy to sotty and if I recollect you haven't even looked at our interactions nor revisited the flow of the attempted sotty lynch on d2. you also haven't explained why metal and i make sense as a scumteam. like I have been waiting for ages for this and all you keep doing is saying "you're scummy" with no actual reasons.

[Alchemist21]

@Alchemist

: I don't know if you're the scum with MS.

If you aren't and town, I invite you to read my points on MS. I also want you to particularly go through his reactions throughout the day.

I thought I won't get my lynch because I needed 5 votes and ZZZX feels hell bent on avoiding resolving my suspicion on MS. If you are town, I think we can swing it.

Let me know what you think.

Unvote. Vote: MS

Just going off what you posted on MS, what makes him more likely to be scum and not wrong Town?

Earlier, which were you calling near-confTown: Zar or GreyICE?

UNVOTE:

I'll vote when I have a better grasp of the current gamestate.

[wgeurts]

Alchemist, read up.
Your play so far is matching your scum game.

[pirate mollie]

Remember, the me-ZZZX town bloc would only need 1 scum lynch to win. We'd then lynch the rest one by one until a lylo where we'd know the final scum.

Metal, even if you're town. Do you see the logic in my plan?

As for ABR and ICE, they've gone horribly quiet.

abr, is waiting on swapping with alchey. why am I the only 1 who is reading the game.

[wgeurts]

He's swapped, your behind on the game

[ooba]

If you want to weed out his partners, at least START WITH THE MOST PROBABLE ONE FROM INTERACTIONS TODAY. Vote Mollie - not Zar.

mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless

Why not just lynch via least-most posts then?

Zar as MS scumbuddy literally makes ZERO sense.
- Empire brought up the whole "lied about tokens" thing

you still haven't explained as to how me as a scumbuddy to sotty and if I recollect you haven't even looked at our interactions nor revisited the flow of the attempted sotty lynch on d2. you also haven't explained why metal and i make sense as a scumteam. like I have been waiting for ages for this and all you keep doing is saying "you're scummy" with no actual reasons.

You are a broken record.

Spoiler:

no, you have not explained how my turn on metal is scummy, all you keep saying is that it is scummy w/o ever giving reasons as to why.

You've read that slot as scum over the last two days.

- I've posted a case on MS. You haven't interacted with me over the case at all. Or even commented on it.
- Your first instinct is to be more concerned with who I thought were other possible scum buddy choices with MS

- And when called to vote said scum, your team suddenly reads him as "Conf town" and ooba who reminded you of town-me in "Lost Room" Mafia suddenly became scum for "inorganic reads"?

This isn't just your "waffling on my metal read" -

Scum have nearly lost if they lose another scum member. What I see is a partner who was mild bussing before - now pulling every stop to make sure an imminent lynch doesn't happen.

still noting that you are failing to demonstrate how I can be scum with

sotty.

or metal since that is your current scumread.

I'm sorry. Did you not read the last post? I coloured it too.

"X has been scum reading Y on D1, D2, D3, D4.

A big Y wagon\suspicion is building up - X suddenly does an about turn on Y - calls him town and calls Y's attacker scum."

I keep pointing this out and you keep saying "But you haven't shown how X and Y can be scum toghether"

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MS, I am obviously pussyfooting about.

I'm going 1:1 with Metal Sonic. Your town bloc is broken and I need to take steps to fix it.

Lynch him. If he flips town, you can kill me tomorrow.

Vote: MS

Just literally open the tab where he pleads to Nacho to change the lists and tell me you don't see scum partner with Sotty\Kagami written all over it.

I've convinced half my town. I'm confident on convincing the others. Let's get you lynched today.

I have four people who I can literally clear as not-scum based on interactions:
- Grey
- Zar
- Wgeu
- ZZZX

I know MS is scum.

Which leaves you, ABR as possible partners to MS.

From memory ABR's D3 Kagami vote and wanting Nacho to start the list with Kagami throw some town points that way so I place him above you.

I need to analyse both for a closer call. I literally have

ZERO MOTIVATION TO DO THIS

before I see MS flip. My energies are now spent on avoiding stupid town lynches and getting scum lynched. I'll do day 6 stuff on day 6. Stop repeating the same questions over and over. I am not going to analyse your-Sotty interactions because I don't particularly care right now.

I have one mission and one mission only: lynch the obvious scum that is MS.

[pirate mollie]

wge

please DO NOT be scum with ooba

i will bang my head on the wall if you are.

finally ooba. Me and ZZZX

you took the nacho plan. so you should follow it instead of ooba plan.

i already destroyed ooba's case and they was even a lie there. why do you not read it?

I caught a lie. I have been waiting to see if ooba or anybody else spotted it. its 1 of the reasons why I am still conflicted.

I love how I have become this bartering tool for THE NEXT LYNCH OPTION when no1 has a good reason. I feel like I am in the middle ages.

[pirate mollie]

Alchemist swaps in for Albert B. Rampage.

Huh! this is allowed! I should have done that when i was crying

but it is a one-shot thing. maybe i shouldnt.


hi alchemist!! I reade you as a bit town in your game but wasnt strong enough to call molla to STOP YOUR WAGON. I was right

erm. this has already happened in this game as in I swapped with eddie?

[wgeurts]

Ooba, lynch zar with us.
If he flips town it'll back up your reads.

I'll lynch MS if that wagon comes back. I can then attempt the plan with Ooba if Ms flips scum.
ZZZX is going to push my lynch on any MS flip, I can feel that happening.

I've calmed down.
Anyone got anything they want to ask from me?

Also mollie, you're an odd one as nobody really knows what to make of you. I think ABR would be scum over you unlike ooba though.

[pirate mollie]

So Metal
If scum >>> Mollie (Celebrate early victory)
If town >>> Ooba
If ooba scum >>> ICE
If ICE town >>> Abr/mollie
If ICE scum >>> Celebrate

What do we do if ooba's town?

i said

follow nacho plan

keep the old townblock

and see if we havent won yet.

What's the Nacho plan?

never lynch me ever

and I find it hysterically funny that nacho and I will be lynched in a game where we townread each other in.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, read up.
Your play so far is matching your scum game.

Reading up isn't going to happen. As embarassed as I am to admit this, I only got to page 19 on my read-through for ABR, and gave up when I saw the current posting rate. If you're doubting my motivations I can literally copy/paste my notes from that reread to here.

Why are you scumreading MS? What had he done that reversed your read to Town on him earlier in the game?

[pirate mollie]

lynch kagami >> sotty >> greyIce >> zar

we lynched first 2 and they flipped scum.

see this plan does not include lynching me ever yet somehow i am like supposed to be lynched the next day according to ooba and zzthing.

[ooba]

Ooba, lynch zar with us.
If he flips town it'll back up your reads.

I'm not joining something I know for sure is a mislynch.

I've been on point so far. What I'd like is a little faith.

Ok. Done with Day 1. Here are my thoughts:

- Kagami, Sotty, Eddie, Zar literally just lurked out the end of the day
- Kagami used GreyIce suspicion as a crutch to literally comment on nothing else throughout the entire day.
- This is similar to wgeurt's MS suspicion at the start of the game - but his play improved as the day continued - I liked the Kagami vote when Hoopla's wagon looked like it might die down.

-

Nacho and GreyIce are the towniest of town

. I'm no expert scum hunter, but I am good at town hunting. Their conviction is extremely genuine. People hold Nacho to some godlike town standard but there are many nuggets of town here:
a) His reads look spot on
b) The "I don't know how many scum bodies I have to drop"
c) Saying this is good to GreyIce's "Let's lynch Kagami today. If she flips town, I'll help you with Nacho tomorrow" to ABR

I'll drop this now and will update after Day 2.

Vote: Sotty

[ooba]

Just going off what you posted on MS, what makes him more likely to be scum and not wrong Town?

Earlier, which were you calling near-confTown: Zar or GreyICE?

I get wrong town. (Which is why I can see ABR-town universes even when he pushed me so hard today)

It's just that the reactions only made sense from scummy motivations. Part of the reason why I town read ZZZX is how he reacted to the same stimulus (Nacho posting his death list). MS's make no sense whatsoever.

I said Grey was conftown in my fourth post of the game. I am calling Zar prob town too.

[pirate mollie]

Metal,
As your flip could actually be scum
And I want to sort ooba as he may be scum
And I made a deal

He was on kagami wagon I believe.

when is this sorting of ooba supposed to be happening cos i don't see you doing it.