13p Normal [TM2015]

[pieguyn]

o also, Boon's reads list is town. it doesn't really make sense coming from scum: jason is (assuming I'm right about him being town) a really beneficial mislynch for scum, and he's sitting there going "nope" and passing up on it. he also avoids both of the other easy-ish targets (Egg and DW) to push TH of all people.

I suppose I could see it, but it's not what I would have expected scum in this position to do at all.

[SleepyKrew]

do you think Boon would play scum predictably or logically

[sthar8]

VOTE: Egg

Dammit pie. I don't want to do setup balance yet. You're also wrong about quantity of roles being a factor, but you reached the right conclusion.

[Trojan Horse]

2. this setup would be unbalanced as fuck if jason isn't town here. even discounting the fact that he didn't get CC'ed, 2-3 roles is standard in a mini normal. with jason town, we have

roleblocker + bodyguard + *unclaimed role*

with jason scum, we have

roleblocker + ???

it would be pretty much impossible to balance this at this point if jason isn't town here. there's basically no town power (I'm assuming that any relevant PR would have claimed by now, but no one has. thus I feel pretty confident there's only one unclaimed PR out there, *at most* - but even discounting this, it'd be difficult to balance this without jason as town) mastin agrees with me on this - she also says this AS A MINI NORMAL reviewer and points out that bodyguard is the go-to protective role in normal setups.

I agree with your concerns about setup balance, but who knows how many unclaimed power roles there are right now? Who says there's only one? I wouldn't be surprised if there are still two unclaimed roles.

also, I want

TROJAN HORSE

to ask Tammy if she thinks jason's recent posting is anything but town. and then ask her why if she thinks jason could possibly be scum here.

Tammy needs some more time to read; she has been catching up on grading. But right now, she thinks jason is town.

o also, Boon's reads list is town. it doesn't really make sense coming from scum: jason is (assuming I'm right about him being town) a really beneficial mislynch for scum, and he's sitting there going "nope" and passing up on it. he also avoids both of the other easy-ish targets (Egg and DW) to push TH of all people.

I suppose I could see it, but it's not what I would have expected scum in this position to do at all.

I agree.

[Boonskiies]

2. this setup would be unbalanced as fuck if jason isn't town here. even discounting the fact that he didn't get CC'ed, 2-3 roles is standard in a mini normal. with jason town, we have

roleblocker + bodyguard + *unclaimed role*

with jason scum, we have

roleblocker + ???

it would be pretty much impossible to balance this at this point if jason isn't town here. there's basically no town power (I'm assuming that any relevant PR would have claimed by now, but no one has. thus I feel pretty confident there's only one unclaimed PR out there, *at most* - but even discounting this, it'd be difficult to balance this without jason as town) mastin agrees with me on this - she also says this AS A MINI NORMAL reviewer and points out that bodyguard is the go-to protective role in normal setups.

I agree with your concerns about setup balance, but who knows how many unclaimed power roles there are right now? Who says there's only one? I wouldn't be surprised if there are still two unclaimed roles.

also, I want

TROJAN HORSE

to ask Tammy if she thinks jason's recent posting is anything but town. and then ask her why if she thinks jason could possibly be scum here.

Tammy needs some more time to read; she has been catching up on grading. But right now, she thinks jason is town.

o also, Boon's reads list is town. it doesn't really make sense coming from scum: jason is (assuming I'm right about him being town) a really beneficial mislynch for scum, and he's sitting there going "nope" and passing up on it. he also avoids both of the other easy-ish targets (Egg and DW) to push TH of all people.

I suppose I could see it, but it's not what I would have expected scum in this position to do at all.

I agree.

Agreeing with a Boon town read. TH is epicly WK-ing here guys...come on. He's setting himself up to go either direction on whether or not jason is scum or town.

[Trojan Horse]

What's WK-ing?

[Boonskiies]

white knighting. befriending and praising the towns people as scum.

[sthar8]

that would be buddying. but whatever.


Why is it scummy when TH calls you town but not when Pie or I do it?

[Trojan Horse]

Okay. Some thoughts from Tammy:

Tammy is townreading pie, Boon, and jason. In the case of jason, Tammy is confident that there needs to be some protective role in the game. Given that jason has not been counterclaimed - and given that no other protective role protected STD last night - Tammy thinks that jason is town.

sthar, Tammy wants to know why you are so confident that egg is scum. You've been pushing for his lynch for a while now.

[sthar8]

I'll write up the list AGAIN in like half an hour.

Read his celebratory posts on jason's wagon today for the most recent installment.

[Egg]

There are three different things I want to respond to in that post
But it'll just make you angry. sigh

Why'd you unvote?

Is one of them the fact that he implies scum's optimal play is to lie and say they protected the dead guy?

[Boonskiies]

that would be buddying. but whatever.


Why is it scummy when TH calls you town but not when Pie or I do it?

it's pretty much the same thing....white knighting is an actual term...

[Boonskiies]

I really don't get the point in disagreeing and the need to correct. That's a super annoying nitpicky habit you have.

[SleepyKrew]

White knighting and buddying are both things and they're both actual terms and they're different please don't try to be haughty and smart when actually you have no clue what you're talking about

[Egg]

To be fair, I understand where he sees similarity. White knighting is sort of like buddying mislynch bait. It's just the reasons behind doing it are more for the purpose of how everyone else reads you rather than the person you are "buddying". They're different, but I get what he's trying to say.

[Boonskiies]

White knighting and buddying are both things and they're both actual terms and they're different please don't try to be haughty and smart when actually you have no clue what you're talking about

again, yet another annoying, pretentious, nitpicky comment that mafiascum is full of. *yawn* don't care to say anything else about this.

[SleepyKrew]

Then leave the site

[sthar8]

I'm sorry, I'm dealing with a family crisis tonight.

Sorry for being harsh boon, I didn't mean for it to come off that way. I corrected you so that in the future it will be easier to get your point across, but I certainly could have been nicer about it.

I was actually confused when you said he was White Knighting you because Pie did a whole lot more to make you a nonviable lynch.

So do you think TH is buddying you or pie?

[Boonskiies]

TH to pie, not me.

[Boonskiies]

in a way...where it comes back to me...so it's both buddying and WK'ing.

[jasonT1981]

Agreeing with a Boon town read. TH is epicly WK-ing here guys...come on. He's setting himself up to go either direction on whether or not jason is scum or town.

Do you think that is just today, or do you see it in his play throughout, especially day 1?

[SleepyKrew]

Hi Zach why did that swap happen?

[Nexus]

Zachrulez swaps with jasonT1981.

[Zachrulez]

Hi Zach why did that swap happen?

Actually wanted in since the start of this day phase. Jason was getting emotional and frustrated and even with the pressure coming off with recent events, he still wanted out of the game and our team feels like we're better off with me here considering everything that has happened.

Also the whole thing with the night actions I am going to take the blame for. I intervened because Jason thought STD might be scum and I thought it would be better to protect Obv town pie over maybe scum STD. So to some level it's not fair that he gets the heat for that because he actually was originally going to bodyguard STD and I convinced him to bodyguard Pie instead.

The whole thing is stupid anyway as I feel there's a very good possibility STD roleblocked us anyway. (If that did happen that means STD dies anyway and A KILL WENT THROUGH. That last part isn't a minor point.)

[SleepyKrew]

STD did not block you please stop