Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Metal Sonic]

I am aware of the difference between wrong town and scum.

The problem here is that I see purposeful attempts to nudge the lynch away from JF

Yeah. But you haven't actually read or comprehended what happened around the lynch fully. Once you do that, you will understand why I wanted to lynch ETL over JF, and why e.g. Mina was considering the same.

I'm more concerned between the exchange in 800-1000. It's more significant because it indicates the start of a momentum shift against JF. Not so much as the part near the deadline, since everyone pretty much had JF on their death list by that point.

[Quilford]

Yeah, well the bits you're all quoting that supposedly show me making attempts to nudge the lynch away were all at the part near the deadline, so I suggest you become more concerned about that part.

[Metal Sonic]

You've never actually pushed JF. Or interacted with him in order to read his reactions and get a personal read. You just called him town in the face of pressure and conceded that he was your top scumread once Patrick and Mina were convinced, with no visible trajectory whatsoever. Insofar every player has pushed JF scum except you; you were sheeping.

#825. #827. #898. #921. #922. #995.

Read them. Thanks.

I already have. I was woefully dissatisfied.

I don't care that you're dissatisfied. The linked posts show that your assertions in #1963 are flat-out wrong.

I can only break down the posts specifically at a computer. The fact that you never actually pushed JF still stands. 825 was a simple question which never posed a threat or pressure to JF, furthermore his response was so shallow that I was surprised you even let him off. JF never really answered 827. I've also referenced the rest already

The point stands. Relatively compared to other players, you interaction with JF was insignificant

[Metal Sonic]

"JF for town IMO" when ETL and Molla were voting JF looks like a blatant nudge to me

[Metal Sonic]

Ok I seriously should get out of here. Leave a message, bye

[Quilford]

"JF for town IMO" when ETL and Molla were voting JF looks like a blatant nudge to me

Wow im sure Patrick and Mina were thoroughly convinced by it

[Metal Sonic]

The effectiveness of the action in achieving the desired outcome was insignificant

[Metal Sonic]

EBWOP : irrelevant

[Quilford]

The effectiveness is irrelevant. The amount of effort put into the action isn't.

[Metal Sonic]

As is the amount of effort you put into the action of developing a genuine read on Johnny

[Quilford]

Which was quite a lot. I linked you just one post less on my Johnny read than I did on my Patrick read. You're just dismissing it in hindsight because it was wrong.

[Quilford]

You notice how you're losing all these arguments? Its because your central premise is utterly wrong.

[Quilford]

And you should read the game in full before you start advocating for a player's lynch, not after.

[Metal Sonic]

You notice how you're losing all these arguments? Its because your central premise is utterly wrong.

It's cause I'm on a phone and eating delicious japanese food, silly!

[Quilford]

If you are town (which is more likely than ETL at the moment), you should take a moment to check out this game, where I skimmed through and did ISO's when I replaced in towards the end of the game and thought it was a town player. Then, I actually read the entire game start to finish and switched onto the scum player. You might find it instructive.

[Quilford]

lol you were actually even in that game for a little bit

[Metal Sonic]

lol.


I think you misunderstand when you think that I am ISO scumhunting. I hate ISO scumhunting; it's useless, and I can circumvent it easily as scum anyway.

For now I just go to the significant extracts of the game and read those parts. Such as the initial JF push and the end of day 2. You also highlighted the start of the game which was cool.


But yeah, by rereading the whole game I don't expect my reads to change until you want me to look at Patrick/Mina (lol)

[Quilford]

But yeah, by rereading the whole game I don't expect my reads to change until you want me to look at Patrick/Mina (lol)

I didn't expect mine to either in the teen wolf game. But they did.

[Quilford]

Also, yeah, I know you've said you would do so, but just another reminder to answer my latest question on BBmolla.

[Quilford]

I enjoy that the last four pages have just been you and me.

sorry patrick and mina haha.

[Metal Sonic]

BBmolla—your slot!—enters the game in #60. What do you make of the reactions to his entrance?

#62 is insignificant

#63 indicates excitement and eagerness, which is likely to be from town

#64 expresses contempt and irritation, I'm not sure what warranted the response.

Furthermore, in #66, ETL votes Molla as some form of RVS, earlier referenced in my previous answer.

Same goes for Mina's #69

#71 appears to show thought in BPC, especially when he tries to consider if Molla's entrance was alignment-indicative or not. This is good -- it indicates scumhunting

(Side: #80 and #83 is suspicious. Unnecessary aggression, though possible influenced by real-life factors.)

#96 explains the reason for ETL's vote, which was because of Molla's lack of substance in his entrance post. However, this certainly points towards an RVS reason, as ETL does not show anything else which might constitute a scumread.

(Aside: #103, Alchey is a cutie pie <3)

[Metal Sonic]

I enjoy that the last four pages have just been you and me.

sorry patrick and mina haha.

I can't believe the four pages were by me phoneposting.

Now, I've reached my computer. If you're here replying... poor patrick and mina indeed

[Mina]

Okay, that exchange was awful to read, and I don't think it helped reassure me on either MS or Quilford because of the nitpickiness (although I REALLY liked MS's entry and was on the verge of unvoting, but my burden of proof is lower for unvotes--Patrick, thoughts on MS? Why has NO ONE commented on what MS's posts say about his alignment?) Nor did ETL returning to the townish-tone phase of her posting cycle help.

MS, why are you individually scumhunting the posts of dead people? Also, why are you coincidentally townreading all the flipped town players but scumreading or nullreading the reactinons of those who haven't flipped?

Quilford, what was the point of the question prompting that response? Or the other questions you asked Metal Sonic--I'm not sure if I get the purpose behind any of them, since they seemed slightly nitpicky.

Patrick, can you summarize the zillion messages Fenchurch sent you?

(On that note, Regfan has been pestering me to post all his thoughts in the thread for a couple of days--now I have to update the newbie queue before work, so I probably can't oblige him until tonight. Given he's a lot more sane and anchored than I am, I figure paraphrasing them might be valuable to someone.)

[Quilford]

Quilford, what was the point of the question prompting that response? Or the other questions you asked Metal Sonic--I'm not sure if I get the purpose behind any of them, since they seemed slightly nitpicky.

I don't understand what question you're referring to in the first sentence?

[Quilford]

although I REALLY liked MS's entry and was on the verge of unvoting

What did you like about it?