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Post Post #2075 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:35 pm

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In post 2072, Metal Sonic wrote:My read is different because I see the game with a fresh pair of eyes and break the tinted lens that has been set up slowly throughout the course of the game/d1. Plus, I re evaluate

Yes you would be doing this if you had actually read the game in order and in full. As it is you're openly admitting to jumping around to the bits where you see me as most scummy. You even offered to look at the bit at the end of D1 where ETL says I was running distraction (as if thats something I would ever, ever do as scum). You're not looking at the game with a fresh pair of eyes, youre looking at it with tunnel vision
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Post Post #2076 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:38 pm

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That's wrong.

Let's make it simple

You/ETL/Patrick are in my lynchability by virtue of being 5p; I rule out myself and Mina

You have the most evidence of scum against you among the 3.
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Post Post #2077 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:39 pm

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My homework is to read day 1 ---> 2

That is all that's left. Only 30 pages
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Post Post #2078 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:45 pm

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Day 3

EspeciallyTheLies ( 1 )
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*** Quilford ( 2 ) ***
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No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 2 )
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Needed to Lynch [ 3 ]



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Post Post #2079 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:51 pm

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In post 2076, Metal Sonic wrote:You have the most evidence of scum against you among the 3.

Say that's true. I also have the most evidence of town for me among the 3. You're just not letting yourself see it.

Gonna check my meta?
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Post Post #2080 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:57 pm

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In post 2062, Mina wrote:MS, short summaries of your reads on every player that isn't Quilford, go!

(Sorry, still in pop-in mode right now.)

Also do this too
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Post Post #2081 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:58 pm

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That's mutually exclusive


Also, you think you have more evidence than Patrick for being town?! HA!


No, I dont metadive, ever. Plus, that teen wolf game you linked had so many different nuances from you play here, I don't even know why you tried to link that? I think it was to teach me the importance of reading the game fully, right?
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Post Post #2082 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 2:59 pm

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@ Zor

Mina unvoted
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Post Post #2083 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 3:01 pm

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In post 2081, Metal Sonic wrote:No, I dont metadive, ever.

Of course you don't.

Read a scum game of mine. As Mina said earlier, it's like night and day.
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Post Post #2084 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 3:02 pm

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Metal Sonic wrote:You are doubting the validity of my arguments because of the provenance? That's not even legit and quilford also knows it. How many games have you played with quilford?

This is my first game with him. Does that mean I can't try and read him? Have you played with him before?

Metal Sonic wrote:I dunno, probably because if you are scum you win. By stonewalling quilford, if ETL dies today then I die Tmr. If quil dies today and is town then ETL dies tomorrow

This isn't an answer; you declared great paranoia of me immediately after my spat with ETL. I want to know why.
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Post Post #2085 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:24 pm

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In post 2084, Patrick wrote:
Metal Sonic wrote:You are doubting the validity of my arguments because of the provenance? That's not even legit and quilford also knows it. How many games have you played with quilford?

This is my first game with him. Does that mean I can't try and read him? Have you played with him before?

Metal Sonic wrote:I dunno, probably because if you are scum you win. By stonewalling quilford, if ETL dies today then I die Tmr. If quil dies today and is town then ETL dies tomorrow

This isn't an answer; you declared great paranoia of me immediately after my spat with ETL. I want to know why.


This is my first game with him too. So apart from you having to eat up Day 1(which I argue is the reason for your strong and wrong townread on Quilford), what else makes your read on quilford better than mine?

I have played at least 7 games with ETL.

Yes, it is a result of the spat with ETL. It was a direct result of ETL's points against you, in fact.
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Post Post #2086 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:27 pm

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In post 2083, Quilford wrote:
In post 2081, Metal Sonic wrote:No, I dont metadive, ever.

Of course you don't.

Read a scum game of mine. As Mina said earlier, it's like night and day.



My scumgame is like night and day too.

Doesn't mean I can't wreck town with it.

It's just the damned replacements who make their lynchbait slots into conftown (yes, game's over, I can now bitch about this)

And I'm now a damned replacement. Replacements are the bane of scum. I think team mafia should abolish this rule cause it's unfair to scum. I mean look at how bad Johnny screwed the slot up
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Post Post #2087 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:28 pm

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Great. Now I can fucking reference the nightless game.

ZAR, get in here. Help Mina bust this metal.sonic.jr
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Post Post #2088 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:40 pm

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In post 2079, Quilford wrote:
In post 2076, Metal Sonic wrote:You have the most evidence of scum against you among the 3.

Say that's true. I also have the most evidence of town for me among the 3. You're just not letting yourself see it.

Gonna check my meta?



Meta ain't evidence, bro.

You know this.

It's only at most a supporting point.
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Post Post #2089 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:46 pm

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You're making excuses.
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Post Post #2090 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:48 pm

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In post 2086, Metal Sonic wrote:My scumgame is like night and day too.

Doesn't mean I can't wreck town with it.

I don't know why youre comparing me to you?

My scumgame is appalling. I legit can't remember the last time I won as scum.
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Post Post #2091 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:52 pm

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In post 2090, Quilford wrote:
In post 2086, Metal Sonic wrote:My scumgame is like night and day too.

Doesn't mean I can't wreck town with it.

I don't know why youre comparing me to you?

My scumgame is appalling. I legit can't remember the last time I won as scum.


Probably some weird psychology syndrome.


They probably have a name for it.


Whatever, evidence still stands. Frustrating though understandable why Patrick is stonewalling despite all the evidence. May get impatient
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Post Post #2092 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:52 pm

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In post 2089, Quilford wrote:You're making excuses.



Definitely.

Making excuses for not meta diving you.

Point taken.

Will probably continue to make more excuses
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Post Post #2093 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:53 pm

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Will promise to read day 1 though. I agree with the sentiment
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Post Post #2094 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 4:57 pm

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In post 2091, Metal Sonic wrote:Whatever, evidence still stands. Frustrating though understandable why Patrick is stonewalling despite all the evidence. May get impatient

No it doesn't you idiot.

Part of the reason—probably a lot of the reason—Mina is reading me as town is because she's played with me as scum before, she knows I'm abysmal as scum, and she knows my town and scum play are nothing alike.

Patrick probably also owes at least a slight part of his townread to reading the scum game of mine that Mina linked in here earlier and recognising how different my play was there compared to here.

You are blatantly ignoring things—Day 1, my meta—that you think could point to me as town. I don't see how that's anything other than tunnelling.
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Post Post #2095 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:54 pm

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I have no rebuttal to metadefense.

I'm not even attacking you via meta. Everything is non meta related. That in itself holds more weight than any meta argument
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Post Post #2096 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:56 pm

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That's not how reads work.
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Post Post #2097 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 5:58 pm

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I was reading BBmolla as scum based on a number of factors, all of which I thought were pretty convincing in their own right.

But my meta with him suggested to me that often my BB reads were wildly incorrect, so my net read on him swung way back closer to null.
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Post Post #2098 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:00 pm

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Or...

I'd never played with Patrick before, so I was uncertain what to make of his unemotional, straightforward play.

After I meta'd him, I saw that he didn't tend to be very emotional as either town or scum, so I was able to factor out his lack of emotion, which gave me a stronger townread on him.
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Post Post #2099 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:07 pm

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The last 3 people that I pushed who use the "read my meta I suck as scum" defense were: Town, Scum, Town



So hmm.


@Mina, expert opinion!

How many games have you played with quilford? How many scumgamez have you seen? How does he treat his partners, busser or no busser in general?

^ quil you do not get to answer. Expert opinions only.
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