Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Quilford]

yep yep. i look forward to you learning some painful lessons post-game <3

[Quilford]

sleep well. and my apologies to mina

[Metal Sonic]

I think it's Serra/Alch

I think Mara is off with her reads.

[Metal Sonic]

yep yep. i look forward to you learning some painful lessons post-game <3

thats what i said to ooba and it bought me 3 days. would've won me the game too

we dont have 3 days

[Mina]

Metal Sonic, can you ask BBmolla to tell us why he was considering ETL/Patrick at the end of D2? I'm sumarizing Regfan's thoughts, and realized I was supposed to ask that ages ago.

Also, PLEASE SHUT UP. SHUT UP. SHUT UP. SHUT UP. SHUT UP. You've generated 30 posts in the time I've been trying to write one. WE GET THE POINT.

[Metal Sonic]

ya

it could have been summarized by "quil is scum vote him"

quil wanted me to case him though


w.r.t. to your question, i dont think molla had a very healthy view of the gamestate. he was townreading quil, etl, literally everybody. i will ask though, just in case he has smth to share that he didnt post here

[Quilford]

ungh yeah case me hard

[Metal Sonic]

going in deep~~

[Quilford]

mina don't look!

[Metal Sonic]

get down! unghhhh casing you feels so goooooood

[Mina]

There's a lot I want to say, and I'm going to ignore the 5000 Metal Sonic posts that will show up every time I try to submit this.

Okay, first order of business, summarizing team thoughts (Regfan's for Regfan's own sake, although he makes some good points I think are worth sharing, and Zar's for Metal Sonic's sake):

Regfan:

From before Metal Sonic replaced in:

-Patrick still obviously town.
-This on ETL and the following few posts he thought were distancing (tbh, I'm not sure they're more distance-y than average, so could be confirmation bias on Regfan's part).
-Doesn't buy ETL's explanation here for the serra read--he thinks it's very vague and scum-her might have decided overnight to start bussing JF on D2.
-Thinks this and don't sound at all like bussing BBmolla--Regfan doesn't think JF would put so much effort into discrediting BBmolla and trashing his townplay if they were buddies.
-Feels like JF tries to stay vague on ETL and avoid giving details about her: see this and [post=#p6806200]this.
-Doesn't like ETL's vanished scumread on Patrick, nor does he believe her reasons for not using scum tokens (I don't, either, which is why I was pushing her on it--and Patrick, token lies ARE really relevant to ETL's alignment here, given Metal Sonic did something similar in the Nightless FUCK THE FUCKING NIGHTLESS WITH A FUCKING RUSTY POKER ahem, sorry, Pavlovian reaction).
-Thinks there's a lot more from Molla that reads town (particularly on D1) than ETL (with her, it's just tone, which she can fake). And didn't
-Feels like he should have been more confident on Quilford given the effort he's put into the game, and found Quilford's town read on JF weird.

From after Metal Sonic replaced in:

-Initially thought that Metal Sonic's posts are a lot different from the Nightless--his thought process is much more transparent and easy to follow, seems to be genuinely trying to get reads, etc. Thought Patrick and Quilford are town, but not super-confident on Quil.
-Says a bunch of stuff about ETL that's hard to paraphrase, but basically, he wanted her dead. He thought the "lynch me" shtick was fake, and she was posting a lot of bullshit instead of scumhunting.
-At one point, was more confident on MS being town than Quilford, and thought him asking for Zar's read was supertown, because of the Nightless GOD FUCKING DAMN THE NIGHTLESS TO FUCKING HELL.
-Grew less sure because of his recent stuff setting up voting either ETL or Patrick in LYLO. (That's my major issue with Metal Sonic right now as well--the occasional iffy "OH, QUILFORD IS SO SO SO SO SO SO SCUM...but hmm, that's an INTERESTING point about ETL/Patrick.")

Zar

I'm just writing a paragraph here. Basically, he thinks the whole thing about Metal Sonic not replacing into a scum slot here is bullshit, and

I FULLY AGREE

. FTR, Metal Sonic loooves scum and used tokens to be scum in the Nightless AAAAAAAAAAAARGH THE NIGHTLESS THAT FUCKING AWFUL HELLSCAPE OF A GAME. And he also doesn't like how you seem to keep BoPing me, really confidently clearing me, and setting me up to be nightkilled, e.g., here. He did something similar with GreyICE/Nacho early in the AOHJIOSHEOPTHSPRPRYHSI you know the rest. Also, 1839 is null at best, so that was a weird argument. That said, he sees flashes of transparency in MS's posts. Overall, he still thinks it's ETL for all the AtE and lack of scumhunting.

[Metal Sonic]

BoPing me, really confidently clearing me,

whats BoP?

your initial push on serra was conftown. confidently clearing you here.

FUCK THE NIGHTLESS DOES HE THINK I WOULD PLAY IN A SHIT SOLUTION LIKE THAT AGAIN?


I AM BEING A FUCKING OOBAHERO HERE. GET QUILFORD

[Metal Sonic]

Metal Sonic did something similar in the Nightless FUCK THE FUCKING NIGHTLESS WITH A FUCKING RUSTY POKER ahem, sorry, Pavlovian reaction

FUCK THE FUCKING NIGHTLESS WITH A FUCKING RUSTY POKER

aye yeah.

[Metal Sonic]

"OH, QUILFORD IS SO SO SO SO SO SO SCUM...but hmm, that's an INTERESTING point about ETL/Patrick."

tell zar

that

this are the thoughts of ooba/zzzx/mollie at 4p.

ZAR IS SO SO SO SO SO SO SCUM... but hmm maybe zzzzx is scum

i want zarrrr

[Metal Sonic]

mina, you really are going to be nightkilled

its kind of obvious.


no, really. really.

if quil NK me I LOL

[Metal Sonic]

i gotta go for real now too

byebye

get quil please

[Mina]

EBWOP to fix the mangled links (previewing is for the weak!):

-Feels like JF tries to stay vague on ETL and avoid giving details about her: see this and [post=#p6806200]this[/post].

[Mina]

...

EBWOP to fix the mangled links (previewing is for the weak!):

-Feels like JF tries to stay vague on ETL and avoid giving details about her: see

this

and

this

.

Look at me, being ethical instead of using the edit button!

[Metal Sonic]

Mina

I'm not replacing into a scum slot again

No FUCKING WAY

[Quilford]

loool never change meenz

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't, either, which is why I was pushing her on it--and Patrick, token lies ARE really relevant to ETL's alignment here

mina for god's sake it is the truth. you will see.

[Metal Sonic]

Aaaaaaaand AH still switched out with TTH

Sounds like an empirical situation

[Mina]

I mean, I got the feeling the problem for you was the set-up being awful, swingy and more luck than skill-dependent, virtually unwinnable despite the town being dysfunctional and you and Zar successfully fooling almost everyone until late in the game, and still somehow almost in the bag until a completely out-of-nowhere plurality lynch on you an hour before deadline because you left without hammering the guy at L-1 and FUCK THE NIGHTLESS, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TOWN THERE, ANYWAY. That was also something like Empire's fifth or sixth time in a row drawing scum on mafiascum, too. FUCK THE FUCKING NIGHTLESS.

But anyway, I don't really believe your problem would be alignment-based, anyway.

Oh, Zar says I missed that 969 isn't a partnerish post.

[Metal Sonic]

But that's talk for somewhere else

That wasn't breaking rules

ugh I'm tired I stayed here for 4 hours omg

[Quilford]

yeah. plus we had a real good case. i dont blame u for being tired