Mini 470 - Some Guys Are Trying To Kill You (done)

[Gatorguy91]

Hold the lynching. By my count there are only 5 votes on Niv.

Votes for Niv that I counted: Soupfly, Oman, Jenter, JimmyR, Gator

Can somebody verify my count?

Yes only 5.

Erotomachia said Streetflo was voting Niv

[Erotomachia]

You're right. I miscounted. Streeflo isn't voting for Niv.

I think this is the current vote:

Niv (5) Soupfly, Jenter Brolincani, Oman, Jimmy, Gatorguy
Oman (4) Erotomachia, Niv, TBS, Streeflo
Jenter Brolincani (1) Haut Boy

[Gatorguy91]

Haut Boy, Do you have any thoughts?

[Erotomachia]

unvote/

Should I hammer or should we wait for some people to check in first?

[Jimmy R]

unvote/

Should I hammer or should we wait for some people to check in first?

I'm happy for you to do it, since we thought we'd already hammered anwyay.

[Gatorguy91]

But I am not, I Really want to hear from Haut boy first. I'd like you to eventually hammer, but

unvote

to make sure.

[Maz Medias]

Vote Count:
Jenter Brolincani: Haut Boy
Niv: Jenter Brolincani, Jimmy R, Oman, Soupfly
Oman: Niv, Streeflo, ThaiBoxerShorts


Not voting: Erg0, Erotomachia, Gatorguy91

[Jimmy R]

But I am not, I Really want to hear from Haut boy first. I'd like you to eventually hammer, but

unvote

to make sure.

Why? You voted for Niv before and even thought you were hammering him yourself. What can one person who has made no contriubtion so far have to say that will change everyones opinions?

I'm not that eager to lynch really but this is just an unneccesary holdup.

[Gatorguy91]

But I am not, I Really want to hear from Haut boy first. I'd like you to eventually hammer, but

unvote

to make sure.

Why? You voted for Niv before and even thought you were hammering him yourself. What can one person who has made no contriubtion so far have to say that will change everyones opinions?

I'm not that eager to lynch really but this is just an unneccesary holdup.

I can admit that what i did before was a VERY stupid move. I should have considered the fact that everyone needs to check in and drop opinions before we lynch.

[Streeflo]

Our mod isn't really here...

Niv (4) Soupfly, Jenter Brolincani, Oman, Streeflo
Oman (3) Erotomachia, Niv, TBS
Jenter Brolincani (1) Haut Boy
soupfly (1) Haut Boy

I wanted an Oman lynch at first, but I suppose a Niv lynch make sense, too. And by looking at who's voting with me, I don't appear to be in good company.

We've got so many claims that I think we have a very good chance of catching scum (almost 50%). I'll be surprised if we don't get at least 1 scum with today's lynch and tonight's vig kill.

One quick thing before I reread, I'm still voting for Oman.

[Streeflo]

K.

Vote Niv

hammered.

LOL.

My thoughts: I still think Oman is the scummiest out of the three so my vote will stay on him.


And HOLD ON! What's with the unhumanly fast hammer on Niv? At least let him defend himself or claim or something. If you weren't confirmed Gator, your actions would have shot you up to the top of my scumlist.
How about instead of hearing from HautBoy before the day ends, we hear from Niv? That would be considerably more helpful don't you think?

[Haut Boy]

Haut Boy is getting on my nerves with his absence. Every time the game picks up speed we notice that somebody is absent. I don't think anybody should get a free pass just because they claim that they're busy.

Well, sorry. I can't predict when a weekend is going to blindside me like this weekend did. >_>; And contrary to popular opinion, I don't live at my computer desk.

I can admit that what i did before was a VERY stupid move. I should have considered the fact that everyone needs to check in and drop opinions before we lynch.

Even so, it looks pretty bad when you think you hammer, it turns out you didn't, and then you retract your vote.

I will only vote Niv if Jenter decides that if Niv comes up town Oman is tonight's NK.

We already went over this: don't direct power roles!

Now, about Niv.

I am seing all the issues with oman, but righ now, reading this i have a problem. Streef: you actually think that the mafia will forgoe the night kill to incriminate jen, when they can just nk Jenter or one of the self coonfirming masons..... FoS Oman, Vote Streefo

I thought this was really fishy because of the weak reasoning behind that vote.

however, with the last few poasts, Oman looks really bad. i do belive that to be a fraudian slip. and also, he seams to belive that the vig in a mini isn't a one shot, thoughing off our reasoning. i do belive that a Vote Oman is in order.

Weak reasoning again. Also, this is his next post after voting Streeflo. It seems to me like Niv is trying to find any reason to vote for someone.

I've been feeling odd about Niv this whole day because he's been acting really wishy-washy.

Oman is not on my pro-town list anymore because of consistent bad play starting from ThaiBoxerShorts' plan.

Speaking of TBS, I feel odd about him too just for that plan.

Gator...I'm fairly sure I believe the mason claim between him and Jimmy, but that doesn't change the fact that I think Gator is playing HORRIBLY.

And HOLD ON! What's with the unhumanly fast hammer on Niv? At least let him defend himself or claim or something. If you weren't confirmed Gator, your actions would have shot you up to the top of my scumlist.
How about instead of hearing from HautBoy before the day ends, we hear from Niv? That would be considerably more helpful don't you think?

Hearing from Niv would be excellent. And just so he has incentive to respond,

vote: Niv

.

[Oman]

Gator, I agree that Niv should have the chance to defend himself, but why should Haut NEED to check the lynch out? Niv should have been your concern.

Gator: STOP DIRECTING JENTER!

Now that Maz is back we probably wont have a long twilight, unfortunatly I was hoping it could be rather large.

Streef here could be A) Scum reluctant to bus or B) Town who doesn't see it. Or if Niv is town, and we're all wrong C) Scum who wants to look clean D2 or D) Town who just doesn't see it.

Just the options. I think its much more likely to be A then B, and C then D. I'd be happy with taking a huge (i mean HUGE) look at TBS D2, and depending how that results, continuing the day but taking a look at Streef.

[Streeflo]

Hm, don't mistake my intentions. I think Niv is scummy, but feel that your actions are scummier. By all means analyze my posts. I have nothing to hide.

I don't mind lynching any one of Niv, TBS, or Oman. However, I'm completely against the idea of hammering Niv before he can respond.

Gator...I'm fairly sure I believe the mason claim between him and Jimmy, but that doesn't change the fact that I think Gator is playing HORRIBLY.

QFT

[Oman]

I don't mind lynching any one of Niv, TBS, or Oman. However, I'm completely against the idea of hammering Niv before he can respond

So if Niv responds in a sub-par way you're likely to change your vote to him? You are looking only very slightly scummy to me at this moment, I'd be happy to look at TBS in great detail before we even think about you.

[Erg0]

Waiting for a claim from Niv. I don't think there's much to be gleaned from Streeflo's reluctance to vote for him at this moment, it's not like his individual vote is going to save or doom Niv.

I do find it strange that we were apparently waiting for a response from everyone but the person at lynch-1... I particularly don't like that Ero asked for town approval to hammer.

[Oman]

Whoa? Claim from Niv? Thats a little...forceful. I don't really want a claim, I just want some defence. If the only thing Niv can do to defend himself is claim, well thats different but if he can defend himself into not being lynched without claiming, I'll be extatic!

it's not like his individual vote is going to save or doom Niv

at L-1 it certainly could doom him.

I'm not waiting on a response from anyone but Niv, erg0. No-one else really matters.

On Ero's asking for approval, I think don't find it overly scummy. I see it more as, finding out if we want to end the day yet. Remember, once this lynch happens, we stop talking overnight and in the morning, its highly likely 2 of us won't wake up. We want everyone to say their peice before D1 ends if we can.

[Erg0]

My point is that there are a number of people other than Streeflo that could (and probably would) hammer Niv. Whether Streeflo decides to do it or not is not going to have a large impact on the outcome based on the general sentiment right now. I know what I mean.

Asking for town approval to hammer is a scumtell period. I'm aware of why we shouldn't hammer unless we're ready, but asking if everyone's ok with you hammering is like giving yourself an out if the person you hammer comes up town (i.e. "you all said I should hammer!").

I'd be surprised if Niv can avoid claiming and still get back from lynch-1 with 3 others suspicious of him. I'm willng to be surprised, though.

[Niv]

I am sorry about the wait. i had a 13 h shift at work today.

I can't really think of what i can defend against. i allreddy responded to jens pbpa. and i though i did a good job. i know my play has been lacking latley, but, i don't think there is anyhting i can do to salvage what i have done. my claim dosen't help, im vanalla town, not much to say there. on that, i saw it come up, that i don't belive that a multiple hit vig would ever be put into a mini.

Let me explain this:

so far:

12 people,
1 cop
1doc? (do minis always have adoc, i don't know, i don't want ay role info revaled, just mini formats here)
1 Multi Vig
2 Masons
4 Vanilla town
3 mafia
this feals stacked in the towns favor.

i can see a one shot vig, not a multi vig.
and the multi vig + the masons = over power imo

so what does that make it, i doubt 2 mafiaso wou;d risk it to claim like jimmy + gator did. i think somethig smells fissy here. and jen may be the fish.

if you decide to lynch me here. please, look at your outer power roles. other than that, i am working long hours tomorow ass well

so this may wind up being my last post. Go Town

[Erg0]

I guess you could argue that setup was overpowered, but Masons are a pretty weak power role so they don't count too much in the town's favour, and vigs are something of a double edged sword. Overall, that role set doesn't seem too unusual for a game this size. That's assuming that we actually have a doc, of course, which isn't a given.

Ultimately, I'd rather risk lynching a townie than a claimed vig today. It will eventually become clear whether Jen is telling the truth, but there's obviously no way to verify Niv's. Waiting for others' reactions and then I'm happy to hammer if Niv stays at lynch-1.

[Oman]

My biggest fear was the Niv would claim, or come up Doc. But I doubt that very much. I think Niv is the play for today.

And saying that, based on the general consensus of you guys I won't be waking up. If thats the case I want you all to take a long look at how TBS jumped on me (page 18).

Other then that, I feel good about today, I think we took our time and its looking good.

[Streeflo]

Behold my setup speculation post!

I don't think there's a doc.
Could be dead wrong of course, but having a vig, cop, masons, AND a doc seems unlikely to the point of...

INSANITY

I've played a normal with one cop and 2 masons, and a normal with 1 cop 1 vig and 1 doc. Town feels overpowered in this scenario. Of course, if I'm right and there is no doc, then all of our powerroles have been outed during Day 1. Not particulary good > >.

@ Ergo: I like masons. They cut down the lynch pool by 2.

[Oman]

I don't like masons, they have to be outed to be really useful

Anyway, I would like to think that there is a doc, but I doubt it as well. Of course, if there is, the mafia will have fun with tonights WIFOM doc protection NK

[soupfly]

Updated Vote Count:

Niv (5): Jenter Brolincani, Jimmy R, Oman, Soupfly, Haut Boy
Oman (3): Niv, Streeflo, ThaiBoxerShorts

Not voting (3): Erg0, Erotomachia, Gatorguy91

[Oman]

Ah, I've figured out how the doc could be in there and it fits with my earlier theories:

12 people,
1 cop
1doc
2 Masons
4 Vanilla town
3 mafia
1

Multi Vig

Serial Killer.

That way its 8/3/1 which is the "fair" split. Also explains all the power-roles.

Niv's right IMHO, Jenter's the fish, however, if he kills too many townies, its obviously not going to work out.

Of course, the mafia aren't going to want to take a chance that there's a multi-vig out there and will probably off Jenter ASAP. I'm not sure.

Anyway, Jenter, if you could claim which kill is yours D2 if you kill N1, that will help pin who the mafia are, based on who kills who.