Newbie 35... game over!

[Jaguar]

Almost random

vote: Zero

. Welcome to scum and you just happened to be the first to post, so I selected you

[Jaguar]

I agree that Zero's suggestion could be a great way for scum to get a townie out of the way fast. I personally prefer to have a few pages of banter and conversation and then base the lynch on that. In addition, voting patterns on day 1 coupled with the lynch and night death often are great ways to pinpoint scummy behaviour. This way we woud not have a heck of a lot of information to go on when day 2 hits. Again in favour of scum.

On the flip side, who has been against this idea? Prince Kael and Rick.. Could one of them be scum waiting for a buddy? In Prince Kael's case that could have been either Rick or burninglife and in Rick's case that would be burninglife.

So if Zero is town, it could be that by chance burninglife is scum... Wouldn't that be something.

Well, that's just my two cents worth.

[Jaguar]

Look burninglife joined us

unvote: Zero

as it was mostly random and if I am to be part of a lynch, it's not going to be due to a starter vote.

I'll

FOS burninglife

right back for putting a second vote on Zero. It was basically an OMGUS (Oh my Gosh/God You Suck) vote and for it to be a second one in this small a game deserves a FOS. I won't vote for him yet as he already has one vote on him.

[Jaguar]

I'm off to our annual support staff event (it's a surprise, we don't know what's happening), so don't expect to see me until tomorrow.

Either way, I am not too sure about who is scum and who isn't, but always watch out for Talitha and Rick. They're both good players and even though I had Talitha pegged in the last game I played with her, she played well enough to ensure a scum win.

If I'm counting right, three people have said I could be Zero's scum buddy. Well, I'm not. And if I were, I would likely not have posted right after him to avoid suspicion. I definitely would not have voted for him.

Anyhoo, off to our event See you all tomorrow.

[Jaguar]

Just posting so nobody thinks I'm inactive or anything.

Scummy!! That's almost enough for me to vote for you. Why would you worry about it when nobody has even brought it up? Combined with his second vote on Zero without reason in this small a game, I think I will

vote: burninglife

. And my vote is not without reason

I didn't really understand your problem with Rick, can someone explaing it to me?

I don't really have a problem with him. I've just seen him play in other games and he is a good player. Just want to keep my eye on him

Are you and Rick more or less on the same page here?

I too don't quite get what you are saying, Zero.

[Jaguar]

Rick, I happen to know that burninglife is just new to mafiascum. Not new to mafia (I've played in games with him on a different forum), so I'm not quite willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and he knows it.

And the part of my vote not being without reason was mainly to emphasize that burninglife's vote on Zero was without reason, or more accurately an OMGUS vote and not based on reason.

[Jaguar]

Wow, three votes already. And we're only on page 2. A roleclaim is indeed a good idea here.

You still haven't said anything of substance, burninglife, so at this point I won't unvote.

I am curious as to what made Zero decide to add the third vote when earlier he said this:

I'm not going to add the 3rd without more info.

The reason given in his post where he voted for burninglife doesn't really give me any indication that there was additional information that his vote was based on. Just the one-liner posting. To me that is not additional information.

Everyone else, give burninglife a chance to claim and the rest of us a chance to respond to his claim. I know Rick is offline for the weekend and Talitha has already said she wouldn't lynch him yet, but you never know.

[Jaguar]

I'll

unvote: burninglife

. I still think it's scummy behaviour, but for now I'll let it go.

What I find interesting is that he wasn't lynched in the last 30 hours or so. He's had three votes on him for some time and there was no killing vote. Does this mean that one of the voters on him is scum? Or does the scum not want to make the lynching vote?

Not too sure and right now I don't have the time for a full analysis as it's time for me to go to bed. Maybe I'll have some time tomorrow.

[Jaguar]

Rick, I did not lie. In either game, did I vote for my scum partner on day 1?

No! Therefore, if I were scum, which I am not, I would not have voted for Zero if he was my scum buddy. Now I can't say if Zero is scum, because I don't know.

But to say that I lied is incorrect. Your own words say you are drawing the wrong conclusion:

Morpheus and Jaguar were scum, but Morpheus voted for Jaguar.

and the other one:

Norinel and Jaguar were scum, but Norinel voted for Jaguar

Norinel voted for me and Morpheus voted for me, but in neither game did I put a day 1 vote on my buddy.

vote: Rick

for insinuating that I am scum with faulty reasoning.

[Jaguar]

[quote="Rick]Many scum vote for their scum buddies to take the heat off them in later days in case their buddy is lynched. And you know that!

So how can you say,

"I would not have voted for Zero if he was my scum buddy"

without it being a lie? [/quote]

But you haven't addressed the fact that I

haven't

voted for a scum buddy, so how can you say that now I would? Your reasoning is faulty because you are using reasoning where my scum buddy has voted for me, not reasoning where I have voted for a scum buddy, which, once again, I haven't done.

I think you are trying too hard to find something on me when there is nothing to make sure that nobody votes for you or puts heat on your scum buddy.

I random voted Zero because he was the first to post and right before me. If you had been in that spot, I would have random voted you to start the day.

My vote on Rick stays for now.

[Jaguar]

Can we get a prod for Mr. G? He hasn't posted since Friday.

And seeing as the pressure on me is not going away (I assume that if MGIA unvotes, Rick will revote me and Talitha has already indicated that she could possibly vote me, thinking me suspicious) I guess I will roleclaim.

I am a plain townie. Nothing more. I am working on my own gut instincts here, not on any other inside information. I did not put a vote on a fellow scum and as I've seen that backfire way too often in other games (on another site), I make it a habit not to vote for partner scum when I am scum, unless it is as a part of a lynch to make me look innocent. I don't do it as a random vote.

I am not lying and I am not scum. I get a nice fuzzy feeling from my vote on Rick, so I am still going to leave it there.

[Jaguar]

What else can I say? I am a plain townie and nothing you do will change that. Lynch me today and you'll have to lynch right tomorrow. (Yes, I know, most newbie games end up in this situation regardless) At least if you lynch me, you won't lynch the cop or doc, but there is a chance that scum will take one of them out tonight of course.

I had some time to go through the thread this morning and here are my observations:

And just because I'm feeling in a petty mood today,

Vote: Zero

for suggesting the last person be lynched, and

FOS: Jaguar

for agreeing and suggesting I'm scum

I didn't agree with Zero. What was I agreeing on?

He has claimed to be a townie though and I know that there is some other stuff going on that can account for the way he is posting. Even if he does not care much on whether or not he stays alive, if we lynch him and he is a townie, we have to lynch right tomorrow.

True, but what really needs to be looked at is, who stays active. It's quite easy to pop in right away, throw in a "random vote", then go back into hiding.

And then he goes ahead and disappears himself for 3 days and again for 4 days. At least he seems to believe I am not scum. I wonder if that is because he knows who the scum is?

Prince Kael also does not think I am scum... He also put up a strong objection to Zero's suggestion of lynching the last person to vote. At the time that he posted, Rick and burninglife still had to vote. Since Prince Kael put up arguments against burninglife and still seems to think he is suspicious, I can't put PK and burninglife as partners. It is still possible that PK is scum, but right now I don't see it. MGIA is definitely more suspicious.

He also pointed out that Zero has been vote hopping to be on every bandwagon.

Rick. Well, I think he's scum, but who knows. First he thinks that Talitha and Zero are scum together, than he thinks that Zero and I are scum together. Now he just thinks that I am scum. He hasn't really looked at anyone else. He is trying to prove that I am lying with faulty reasoning, I have never random voted for a scum partner. And I didn't lie. He also said that Zero's suggestion wasn't a good one. Why? We'd still have given the last person a chance to claim if need be (and burninglife did claim and the votes on him diappeared). Regardless of what everyone thought of the suggestion, burninglife did end up being targeted by a few of us.

Looking back, she did jump on burninglife for the "Hi I'm posting so no-one thinks I'm lurking" post. We had someone do that in Mini 93 (High School mafia) and that person turned out innocent. (Jag was innocent in that game and gave that person "the benefit of the doubt").

Actually, I thought it was scummy behaviour, but agreed with you that it was better to have someone post than to have someone disappear. So yes, I suppose that I am voting a bit differently than that game. But remember, in the end I had you pegged as scum!

Someone do something scummy.

Talitha jumped all over MMCL in another game for saying basically the same thing, but here she hasn't even mentioned it.

I am not sure what to think of Zero. I'd like to think that if he was scum he would not have suggested to lynch the last person to post because only I had posted when he made that suggestion, leaving his scum buddy still to post, if he is scum. I just don't see Zero being scum.

Personally I think MGIA and Rick are in this together and Talitha is a good alternate in my eyes.

[Jaguar]

Now he just thinks that I am scum

This is true. I hope that I am not wrong.

Well, you are. I don't know what else to say.

perhaps lie was too strong a word

Thank you. I didn't lie.

If I'm counting right, three people have said I could be Zero's scum buddy. Well, I'm not. And if I were, I would likely not have posted right after him to avoid suspicion. I definitely would not have voted for him.

This is false logic

because

scum often vote for their buddies

.

But

I

haven't ever voted for a scum buddy, so why is it false logic in my case?

My apologies if I saw things in the wrong light when you posted about Talitha possibly being Zero's scum buddy. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes. And yes, I admit I made a mistake.

Well, you are on your way to lynch a townie. And no, I am not claiming anything else, because this is all I am. There is nothing more, nothing less. If you are so determined to lynch me, go ahead, but you better lynch right tomorrow.

I still think that MGIA and either Rick or Talitha are scum.

[Jaguar]

Fair enough I suppose, but nevertheless you'll be lynching town.

I have to say that I am surprised that I am still alive. I've had three votes on me for a decent amount of time. What I surmise from that is that either a scum is already on the wagon and his or her partner doesn't want to also vote for me, or scum isn't on the wagon and doesn't want to attract attention by being the lynching vote on an innocent.

To me that means that if one of Rick and Talitha is scum, the other isn't. At this time I will

unvote: Rick

as nobody is going to be following my vote any time soon , so it's not doing any good over there. Additionally, I am starting to think that he could be on the town's side. He is certainly putting up well thought out responses and is not afraid of some backlash.

MGIA voted me randomly, then Rick voted me (we all should know why now ), followed by Zero (number three on the wagon). Rick unvoted because he didn't want to put me that close to a lynch at the time with a random vote on me and asked MGIA to either confirm the vote or unvote. MGIA chose to unvote and Rick put his vote back on (expectedly). Talitha also voted for me once the random vote was off.

Zero random voted MGIA to start the day, Talitha picked on Rick, I voted Zero, MGIA voted me, PK chose burninglife and burninglife was the only one with a non-random vote, putting a second vote on Zero.

I put a second vote on burninglife after he put his OMGUS vote (2nd one) on Zero and posted just to post. Zero promptly followed with a third vote on burninglife.

Once again, after burninglife claimed we did not see a fourth vote, even though there was enough time for someone to put a lynching vote on.

Then we got into the whole business of me, and the voting is outlined above.

Who was on both bandwagons? Zero. PK and I voted burninglife and Rick and Talitha are voting me. Conspicously absent is MGIA in that his vote for me was still the random vote.

Makes me wonder if Zero is indeed scum after all. And I am still suspicious of MGIA.

As a matter of fact, I think I will

vote: MGIA

. At this point he could potentially be scum with everyone. If MGIA is scum, I am thinking that Zero would be a potential partner in crime. He did random vote for MGIA to start the game off and we all know by now that this is a common strategy . MGIA hasn't picked a fight with anyone, classicly staying below the radar. Whereas we know Rick and I are not afraid to pick a fight (no hard feelings here, It's all part of the game . Just a bit frustrating sometimes.)

OK, I am done rambling now. Off to see what others have to say.

[Jaguar]

Bah. Go Town!!

[Jaguar]

No worries, Rick I know you wanted to unvote me

And I was waiting for a scum to do just what MGIA did, as it would not be expected. I was just hoping it wouldn't happen in this game I always wondered why scum wouldn't take the lynching vote on a townie as it's commonly accepted that scum just wouldn't do that...

Well played, Talitha and MGIA Goes to show that my vote on MGIA was better than the one on Rick I had earlier on day 1