ryan (1): Paradoxombie
With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Early in the D1 discussions, Miztef votes PoisonIvy for lurking. Though that in itself seemed like a scummy move, the vote further seemed somewhat of aMiztef wrote:I agree with vollkan here. Ryan, why did you vote ABR when you acknowledged a day 2 lynch as better?
I think ryan is a candidate for lynching today. That slip up, with the addition of albert's points, are really building up a case. Although, most of this can
be accounted for by inexperience. Paradox has made mistakes too, but I can see alot of this is inexperience as well.
Right now, I'm actually leaning towards lynching a lurker. Snichkin had that early mess-up, darhken just plain hasen't posted much, and Stallingchamp hasn't
posted too much either. I'm going to go withunvote vote: Snichkin. His early screw up and then dissapearing act bugs me the most of all the
lurkers.
Leading up to the end of D1, Miztef mentions Hurritkaty a lot. He seems to be trying to rally support for Hurri's lynch, as evident from the bolded lineMiztef, 404 wrote:So, does that mean the plan is to lynch hurrikaty?
I'm willing to vote her today if she doesn't post within the next 24 hours. I am inclined to agree with death and ryan in this situation, that katy's lurking
has become quite the fiasco.
Though no blame has been placed on him yet, he is not going to take any chances; he blames the Vig. In essence, he has just shifted suspicion and guilt fromMiztef wrote: It's possible the vig killed albert because he/she was against albert right from the start and believed he was lieing. As stated eariler in the thread, the
safest way to kill albert is at night, and maybe the vig felt this was his/her chance.
I personally don't see why an SK would want to kill Albert, maybe an SK would kill DogMom though, and the mafia killed albert.
He goes on to name 3 players he is "fairly suspicious" of, hence contradicting himself -Miztef wrote: Right now, I have no major suspects, only some minorly scummy ones."
This post is sheer brilliance. Not only does he acknowledges his hammer/lynch (for staying silent about his mistake would have appeared scummy once someoneMiztef wrote: I don't feel bad about lynching hurrikaty. She was being unresponsive and causing great confusion with her "I'm lurking, sorry, but I'll post soon" posts. I
feel it was a good choice made by the town. That's why it's hard to decide on suspects in this case, scum could have quite easily slipped into the bandwagon
or not been on the katy lynch at all.
Huh. Doesn't get any more scummy than this. Seems to me he's anxious to get this next kill, and even suggests that at a crucial time as this, we more or lessMiztef wrote: We should start bandwagoning/voting with intent to lynch people we find scummy and get some more information.I've already tried paradox, but he's seems to
busy to defend himself at this time anyway. I'll try up to try deathsauce or VD next. If not them, then Ryan or Trust are fine with me as well. "
The whole thing with Miz baiting so that he could hammer is a little weak to me. The case against HK was so strong that I doubt whether Miz's comments would have been particularly influential. If Miz was scum and wanted HK dead, it would be just as advantageous for Miz to vote HK to L-1 and then have a townie hammer.d3sisted in #780 wrote: His motives seem to have been this: since noone was willing to hammer Hurrikaty (for fear of appearing scummy,) he tries to speed things up by convincing someone, anyone to bring Hurri to L-1; he would then proceed to do the dirty deed himself (hammering, which he does).
Why couldn't a fellow mafia do it? Simple: they both already had votes on Hurrikaty (I'll go more into this later).
Then, in #426 Ryan votes HK without that other chance which he had made his vote conditional upon. It is possible Ryan missed ABR in #424 where ABR pointed out that Para didn't unvote and that Ryan was hammering rapidly, but I doubt he would have made such a blatant scum move. Even so, it is interesting that Ryan changed without HK's post AND that Ryan and Miz were the last two on the wagon and that both of their votes were "odd".Ryan in #422 wrote: I'm gonna give her one last chance, if her post feels scummy, I have no problem changing my vote to her
Heh, ryan... Do you fear that I know too much? Are you eager to know whether I suspect you as well?ryan wrote:d3sisted: Impressive entry into the game, good job. Any ideas on who might be paired with Miztef?
Assuming Miztef is scum, I think ryan looksvollkan wrote:Ryan/Miztef definitely looks strong to me at the moment and, after my rereading, I am really split as to who looks more scummy.
Oh, and to add on to the Miztef case. Remember, he votes PI in 279, does nothing but point fingers here and there, before his 439 post, which in its entirety consists of:Miztef, 314 wrote:Right now I would like some explaination from the lurkers. Hurrikaty is 'ok' in my books, but I would like some real content soon from her. I'm happy with posion ivy until he/she posts.
All too sudden capriciousness, with impuissant justification/reasoning. For that, I just can't let him slide.Miztef wrote:Unvote Vote: Hurrikaty
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Sorry, but she hasen't posted, and I must agree that 2 Jester roles is quite unlikely.
Haha, damn, you turned my post completely around on meryan wrote:d3sisted: I was interested in your point of view actually. There have been so many theories in this game that a fresh one would be very much welcomed. I don't disagree with your theory (although I'm not scum) but the point that has been made a few times is having a bunch of townies arguing while the mafia sits quiet, what is to say that you aren't scum andhence why you know so much about me and Miztef's allignment?
Just looking at the situation from two different sides (kinda like you)d3sisted wrote:Haha, damn, you turned my post completely around on meryan wrote:d3sisted: I was interested in your point of view actually. There have been so many theories in this game that a fresh one would be very much welcomed. I don't disagree with your theory (although I'm not scum) but the point that has been made a few times is having a bunch of townies arguing while the mafia sits quiet, what is to say that you aren't scum andhence why you know so much about me and Miztef's allignment?
Can you direct me to where Ryan put Miz at L-1? I can't find it.d3sisted wrote: "Maybe they want to distance?" you say. I doubt that theory, and here's why: At the time, there was no suspicion of their being scumbuddies (there was some earlier, though that had more or less been quelled) so from their perspective, they had not a need for distancing. Besides, they stand to gain more if both of them remain alive: a) They win faster b) They ease the risk of having the town/SK/vig pick the remaining partner (i.e. safety) c) Easier to get mis-lynches out d) Maintains pressure upon the town by keeping the game at LyLo. The only advantage they gain from bussing is allaying a tenuous (even inexistent) suspicion. No need to run if you are not being pursued.
Okay, he does an ASCII-art hammer, odd and it suggests some sort of eagerness to lynch. Why bother going to the trouble of writing the hammer?Miztef wrote: Unvote Vote: Hurrikaty
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Sorry, but she hasen't posted, and I must agree that 2 Jester roles is quite unlikely.
When the deadline was implemented, 3 votes meant a lynch and since Ryan had the second vote on Miztef, he put L-1. I also considered whether VD changed his vote to ryan to purposefully put DeathSauce at most votes, but that is out of the question since he was Town.vollkan wrote:Can you direct me to where Ryan put Miz at L-1? I can't find it.
My point was, in the given situation, they had more to lose by distancing than gain. I see your point though. Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with the preemptive distancing strategy so I didn't give it thought.vollkan wrote:Assuming what you say is correct anyway,
You are basically saying that because Ryan voted Miz when they weren't under suspicion, therefore he couldn't have been distancing. It doesn't really work like that, however.
Meh, just my opinion. Miztef takes highest priority right now anyway.vollkan wrote:Hence, I don't think that action debunks the Miz/Ryan; particularly given all the other evidence that I raised in #604.
Bah, scrap that, I re-read and you are absolutely right. You bring up an excellent point.d3sisted wrote:As for the Ascii art, I'm pretty sure he was just being cute. But then the art didn't show up the way he wanted it, hence his apology.
VD unvoted Miz in #701 and then voted Ryan in #707. The only effect of unvoting would have been to make DS the lynchee and I am pretty sure VD would have been aware of this.d3sisted wrote: I also considered whether VD changed his vote to ryan to purposefully put DeathSauce at most votes, but that is out of the question since he was Town.
Yeah. I figured that since you had said you were new, you probably hadn't considered that Miz and Ryan had undertaken proactive distancing.d3sisted wrote: I see your point though. Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with the preemptive distancing strategy so I didn't give it thought.
LYLO is where a mislynch will cause a loss. ie. 4 townies and 2 scum. If the town lynch one of their own, it goes to 3:2 and then the scum NK brings it to 2:2 (which is a win for the scum).d3sisted wrote: By the way, how do you calculate whether a situation is LyLo? Is it considered LyLo right now? I was under the impression it was, since mis-lynch, mafia NK, SK NK can reduce us to 4 overnight. If it is, Vollkan you might want to be careful with that vote. You haven't even heard what the guy's got to say for himself.
It is also possible that the vig is only a 1 shot vig, that the vig felt unsure or that the scum and vig targeted the same person.d3sisted wrote: Does anyone else find it weird that two died N1, but only one in N2? I’m guessing that the SK or vig was inactive. Hence, I am inclined to think =Confused= SweenyTodd is SK or vig.
A thought just occurred to me, could =Confused= be a Godfather, but since he was inactive, didn’t get a chance to send in the NK? Are there even GFs in Normal Mini?